Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor.

[1BadMerk]

This is gettin to be pretty common now.
Start with a 90-93 2.3 ranger block. Smaller crank journal.
Stock ford 2.5 crank,Race prep
longer Crower 5.5 rods. Shot peen if ya fill like it!
Wiseco 8.5:1 pistons,Forged of course.
stud & strap the bottom end. everything else in the bottom-end can remain stock
a.t.r. header, Turbonetic's T3T4E Ceramic ball-bearing 60 trim, .63 a/r stage 3 clipped wheel and of course a verygood intercooler! Run about 24-25P.S.I.
Here comes the fun part.
The 8v pinto head does not lend it'self well to flowing a lot of air &
is the major problem with this engine I don't have the flow spec's handy at this moment but just strait'n and clean up the intake side as much as possible. The exaust side ports must be raised 5/8. Match port the upper and lower intake. Bigger valves must be installed . 1.89in if you fill like it but they will be shroulded somewhat.1.69 0n the ex. side. Make plate to use Mustang 65mm throttle body. match it to the upper intake.
You can use the Ranger truck roller cam or a automotorsports roller.index it please. just remember this head is pure junk!
4 52lb hour injectors
adj. fuel pressure regulator
adj. cam sprocket (Besure to use Turbo Head)
3" exaust , Normal stuff like a good wastegate & Dump-valve.
Finally we get to the most important part, the EEC-Tuner.(Should be able to use in the EEC-IV Cossie Escorts)!
No chip's. U replace the board that u would normally plug a chip into with a board the allowes you to pick and play with the brains of the ecm with a lap top. Get a wide band O2 sensor to help you tune. spend some time on a Dyno and u should be able to get there. With out the header and just a ported log manifold fig. 390wheel H.P. & 408ftlbs at the wheels.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
The good news is that the same people who built the head that Rick Byrns went over 200mph with(a 3600lb Sierra xr4ti)
have finally built a street head for us! Time to bury that piece of shit Iron in the back yard.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
If you want more power they also make a ARCA race head that has made over 600 to the wheels in a street driven SVO Mustang in Florida on about 20p.s.i.! Don't know what turbo he was using.

I know it's a little long but I wanted to let ya know we make pinto motor's run too!
May not turn on a dime. But as the ladies say at the local tittie bar,"We mak'em stand up and dance!http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/wink.gif

[1BadMerk]

This is all because of Cossie-envyhttp://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Hugh]

Nice! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

Now I would watch a cookery program if thats the sort of thing they showed! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Cheers for putting all that down, makes very interesting reading. http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

[wes]

Definately cossie envy!! Seems like alot of work when you could just bolt in a cossie lump with a couple of mods to get 420 BHP http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif. So who's gonna be the 1st to get 1000 BHP out of a cossie lump? http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif

[1BadMerk]

Not much work if you sorting the motor in the 1st place just a
few parts sorted from salvage yards & a little insurance.

Hell there are guys that have fitted doc volvo heads on these blocks. that is not a small feat by no means.

I'm considering building a Cozzie. but the cost of getting the stuff here is nuts.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/crazy.gif

[Magrah]

What's the record power output of a cossie engine?

[wes]

I've heard of a cossie running 900 BHP in a grass racer, but i've only heard of it, I don't know if it actually exsists!

I think the thundersaloons ran 650+ BHP, but they needed to be rebuilt every 3 hours http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif

[Magrah]

Yeah Wes I was going to say 600bhp or so, i think 900 is a dream, you have to remember you have to find a rolling road that can handle that power to substantiate it, otherwaise it's just guessing.

[wes]

Rolling Road? I wouldn't trust the reading from any rolling road any where in the world!! Engine dyno's are the only true way to get BHP / Torque figures. I don't think 900 BHP is unobtainable, you could run 12 grey injectors (on methanol), a T4R should be able to supply the boost, and possibly NOS, but it isn't going to be reliable at all! Remeber the RS200 (BDTE engine) could produce 750-800 BHP on methanol with 8 greys and a T4R turbo, all from 2.1 litres!!!

[Magrah]

Could not agree with you more mate re rolling roads they all differ anyway, the thing is these muppets get a RR reading and think thats it, but it's all down to gearing, aero dynamics, traction, lsd's, power band and human logistics.

[wes]

Exactly m8, BHP is such a bullshit figure anyway, Torque figures will give a much better idea of how quick a car pulls, I was speaking to Cossie Clint about this the other day, a certain Cosworth produces 515 BHP and 450 ft/lb torque, and another produces 504 BHP and 492 ft/lb torque. Which one is quicker? I would put my money on the 2nd car http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Magrah]

That reminds me of my old Mk1, around 190bhp, used to piss on standard cossie's up to 130 or so, then they used to sail past, grrr!http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[1BadMerk]

Could'nt agree more! there are alot varibles. just the slant on the road can make a big differance.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/cool.gif

[MikeLMR]

How much did the Zakspeed Capri's used to run ?
I know that was BDT but its still a Cosworthhttp://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
I seem to recal the 1.3 litres (yes 1300cc's) running about 350Hp
They then uprated to the 2litre block and the power went up to about 800 ? ... the article was in classic ford last year sometime
I think they used to run refrigerated intercoolers too http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/shocked.gif

the 1.5 litre turbo charged F1 cars used to run 1000 BHP on funny fuels too (don't think cosworth were involved at that point tho')

[wes]

Yes MikeLMR, I seem to remember the F1 cars ran 1200 BHP in qualifying trim also, from 1.5 litres http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif

[^Mick^]

Those were the days http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

[2quick4u]

Yeah those were the days allright,

I remember Mansell saying he was getting wheelspin in top gear on the straight at the US GP in a Williams Honda. In the dry!

Think the qualifying engines got even higher BHP than that by the end though.

[^Mick^]

Think your right Mark, i seem to remember the 1500hp figure mentioned http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif

[1BadMerk]

You nailed it right on the head. That is the main advantage that the Fords have over the rice. the car with the torque will stomp all over the higher h.p. car with all things being the same to a point. But if the road is long enough the h.p. car should come out on top. The disavantage that the honda's have on the street over here is they make well over 400h.p. to the wheels and about 270 ftlbs. From stop light to stop light is end game. On the drag strip where they have time to start getting some wind its a different story.

The biggest problem with Sierra's is the way they hook up.
The car was not designed to be a 1/4 mile car.
I saw a article about a Sappire that ran mid 11's but hit the Traps at 139m.p.h.! That should have been a 9.90-10.10 Run, but he has to be still rolling the tires at the end of the 1/8mile.
Seems like if any-one over here puts a set of slick's on they kill the diff.That suck's cuz there a pain in the ass to get ahold of.

I watch the kids hit the track with there low profile tires just smokin. Gee you think they would figure out that there needs to be some side-walls to flex & let the tire bite.

If you set the car up to be optimized for the drag strip you end up losing your ability to corner. Our(U.S.) cars work great at
Strip but try to make 1 brake or turn and you'll have your work cut out for you. I must also say that there is not one car ever in the U.S. market that I take over a maxed RS500. http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/cool.gif

[2quick4u]

Marshall,

I am thinking of emigrating to the US within the next 18 months, so I think I may bring my 3dr and increase the Cossie population sateside by 1 http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

[wes]

Marshall, don't they fit 9" rear diffs to them over there? The standard ones are 7.5" (on a 2wd car), but the ralley boys fitted 9" rears, as they did to the Group A 4x4 Escorts. Do you have any Sierra 4x4's running decent times? 4x4's hook up really well, the last time I went to the strip (a couple of years ago now) I whooped some big 600ci V8's with huge slicks off the line, a good 4 car lengths ahead by 1/8th mile, but I was only running 400BHP / 400 ft lb torque at the time, so they sailed past at the end http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif

[Magrah]

Wes What do you reck you Saph could do now on the strip?

[wes]

I'm not sure, I'm aiming to get it in the 11's http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Magrah]

That's bloody quick!

[1BadMerk]

Mark,
That's http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/cool.gif! Where you planning on moving too?

[2quick4u]

Florida,

I have a house there already and I love the climate.

[1BadMerk]

Wes, I have not seen a 9" here as of yet! That was my plan until I was told $2000 before it shipped!http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/shocked.gif
There are guy's with chevy and bmw lsd's and rears swapped in, but I think thats evil. Don't get me wrong I will use parts from other fords on my car, but it will be a cold day in hell before I stick a chevy part in my ford! There is talk of using the 8.8 Irs out of the supercharged t-birds going on at this moment. Looks like it may work.
I have yet to see a Xr4x4 or a Sappire in this country. That does not mean that they are not here. But All Cozzie's that are here people have had imported, and there as rare as rocks from Mars!
I know off 1 person who using the Running gear with a ARCA turbo charged stroker pinto motor. I think the trans took a quick poop on him cuz he was talking about using a toyota unit in the car the last time he said anything about it. I think with the base program it ran 12 flat with some kinda http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/crazy.gif 0-60 time in the mid 4's! I like the all wheel drives, but have a hell of lot more fun kicking the ass out on my car. Kinda fun passing in the middle of a 90 sideway's. Scares the hell out of em'. But it seems like its harder then hell to get the rear drive cars out of the mid 12's. From 40mph on up they pull like hell anything under that traction is so freakin limited.

The cock suckers driving around here stuff them things(big block monster motors) under the hoods of new camaro's and come out to the street races lookin for easy money. Even worse are the guy's who trailer there tubbed 6-7sec car. drop It, drive a couple of block over to where the shin-dig is going on & then want to run you for big money! THEY SUCK. http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif

Most of my Street racing day's are over as I have 3 kids under the age of 5. Can't help but go watch though!http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/cool.gif

Damn sound's like you have a very quick car!http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/cool.gif Do you recall your time & trap speed?

[1BadMerk]

Mark,
Yea it's nice but they murder a lot of people from Europe there. I'm not tryin to scare you but the native population can carry a gun so the vermin like to jack the people who are in the state to visit.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif There are some very dangerous places over here.
So try to blend in! Do you speak Spanish? Better learn if not.


I'm sure you already know the beer sucks!!!http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
The ladys are easy!http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[2quick4u]

Marshall,

I know there are some bad areas there, but we have a few here too now.

I spend so much time there I blend in quite well now, unfortunately no hablo español but I know the odd words http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

[wes]

I have attatched the Ford Escort Cosworth GRP A rear axle documentation (315k PDF, uploaded as a .jpg) for reference http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif I know they are alot of money, but if they don't break then in the long run it will be worth it!

My 1st ever run was a 13.2 @ 115 MPH, but there was a boost problem, it only made 24 PSI and then dropped off when going up the strip! (it used to run 35PSI). I should have ran a low 12 easy, but I haven't been back to the strip since, as the car has been off the road for 10 months in the last 2 years! 2wd's are more fun, but I prefer to have my intestines turned around by the grip of a 4x4http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif And I can still over take buses at 40mph and light up all 4 wheels http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif

Street racing (for cash) just isn't worth it, I like driving too much to risk loosing my license, don't get me wrong i don't drive slowly on the road, but best to take it to the track when racing!

[1BadMerk]

Wes, I here ya about the racing!
That thing sound's like a freakin monster. Lighten all 4 of em' at 40mph.
U guys got me almost convinced to sell off my motor and get a Cozzie under the hood. Can't afford to ship a whole car over then get it federalized though. I've really been giving it a lot of thought.
My shell should work fine as the Mk1 3dr's came from it verses the xr4i. Remember the old Andy Rouse xr4ti?
But the car already has about 90% of the stiffness points that the Mk1 has. Not to mention that I had the shell put on a frame rack to make sure it was in spec before I seam welded it. I have about 2 years of work in the shell of my current project car. I would just have to fig. out what I can use from here & what I would need from there.
I'm giving a lot of consideration to eec-4 set up from the small turbo scort versus the Weber. The main reason is that I have grown up with It and I can pick its brains.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif U guy's keep workin on me and I may soon be Cozzied.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/cool.gif

[wes]

Marshall, the eec-4 ECU is the 1st thing that goes in the bin when uprating a small turbo Escort for big power! I think the most tuners get out of the eec-4 is 305 BHP http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif The P8 is the one to use, or you could go mental and use a MoTec M48.

Go on, get cossie power under there!!!!!!