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What are Ferarri doing? That was discraceful, although i'm not a fan of Barrichello, he without a doubt deserved to win that race, how can they sleep at night? There is no advantage to be gained by doing that, so why, why?
And why did M Schumacher let it happen, he should have let Barrichello win and stuff the team orders! This sort of thing should be banned http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif
I quite agree, and I thought it was banned after the Coulthard / Hakkinen debacle.
There should be a new discussion thread:
F1 = Sport or Business?
That sort of shit takes the piss out of every fan that bought a ticket.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif
(Please excuse my language, I'm just not happy about it)
Mikossie
12-05-2002, 20:40
I could not agree more with both of the comments already made. I think Ferrari have shot themselves in the foot with a stunt like that as it would have made no difference to the constructors table whatsever. If I had bought a ticket I would be demanding my money back from the FIA because to allow
team orders of that nature to influence the result of the race that early in the season is disgraceful. I only hope that they get such a rifting in the press for what they did and that the FIA fine Ferrari for bringing the sport into disrepute. I think with all the whistling and horns blowing Schu had to do something to save face and do the decent thing and give Rubino the trophy. The only sweetner to a bitter pill is that Sato got out of that horendous crash with little injury.
report from Austria;
FERRARI instructed Rubens Barrichello to ease off when he had Sunday's Austrian Grand Prix at Zeltweg in the bag because they didn't want a repeat of previous years when they lost three driver's world championships in the last race of the season.
This was Jean Todt's explanation last night for what is being seen as a major public relations botch-up that has deeply embarrassed race-winner Michael Shumacher, has clearly upset Barrichello even though he wouldn't show it - and has shocked and angered many of the team's most loyal supporters.
In a statement released by Ferrari team last night Todt said: "Sometimes one has to take difficult decisions and today was one of those times.
"In the past we have lost the driver's championship at the last race three times in a row and we are up against strong opposition. We therefore have to make the most of every situation and the points Michael picked up today could be very important later in the championship."
Todt, who was spotted on television handing a slip of paper to Ross Brawn shortly before the finish, had high praise for the luckless Brazilian.
"Rubens drove an incredible race," he said, "rounding off a fantastic weekend. He was the moral victor today which is why we sent his race engineer Gabriele Delli Colli onto the podium."
Schumacher, who has now won five of the six races run so far this season, said: "I take no joy in this victory. I enjoyed the race until the last 100m.
"Only at the end of the race was I called on the radio and told that Rubens would move over. It was a team decision.
"Rubens did a superb job, out-pacing me all weekend and I know it was not a popular decision, but the team would look stupid if we lose the drivers championship this year by the same number of points (which he picked up by winning).
Barrichello put on a brave face saying the call to him was a team decision "and I have to respect that".
"It has not affected my determination, however, for I am going through a good time in my life and know my time will come.
He dedicated his moral victory to his wife whose birthday it was today and to his mother "on Mother's Day".
Rubens said his time will come, not while he is Schumachers team mate it wont.
Going by the above statement by Jean Todt does that mean if Rubens scores more points than Michael in the first race next season then all of the subsequent races Schumacher will let him through, No i dont think so either.
Blimey, don't start me off, bang out of order and very bad for F1, Ferrari and Schumacher. The only reason he asked RB to take the trophy and stand on the pondium is because he heard all the boo's from the crowd.
Did you hear John Todd afterwards, 'well it wasn't a race as we told both drivers not to push it', so what were they cruising around?!!! F1 is getting worse by the day!
Ok clever cloggs! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
Hi All. I have to say.... Sadly I've gotta agree with you. I was in a back
room of a pub that I go to to watch the race with a bunch of like minded GP
Nuts. and what do we see.... A man that on this weekend OUT Qualified OUT
Drove his team-mate just to have to give it all away. me and the Whole room
were Disgusted & deflated. Nuff said. See Ya. Rick.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif
I bet Ferrari have since regreatted it, it really will make them loose support, Rick a classic Ferrari fan not happy
Just been on the news Ferrari have got to explain their actions to the FIA
So they should http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
There's also talk of Schuey getting a ban for not standing on the podium, although I think he is a cheatig german swine it was not really his fault.
I dont think the drivers should have any penalty as it was fairly obvious that is wasnt their decision, i think that ferrari should lose their team points though.
Not for another two months though! Everyone will of forgotton what the fuss was all about by then! [rolleyes]
I agree with Slim you cant punish the drivers as they were just following ordershttp://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif
I think we have said before that FIA seem baised to Ferrari (Schuey) and it will do the sport some good if the get a spanking and loose some points. Hopefully it will lead to more close racing in the future.
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif Still can`t believe this has happened. I mean Michael was 21 points ahead from 5 races, it`s highly unlikely that it would come down to 4 points by the end of the season.
This decision simply says to Rubens "Try all you like - but you`ll never be allowed to win if Michael is still running". Bad decision all round. If Rubens can still drive to the best of his ability after Austria then he`s a hero. Pity Michael wasn`t embarrassed enough to dab the brakes. He must know he`s not gonna need 4 points.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif
Well said Rick
But I think Schuey did dab the brakes as Ruby came out of the last corner and it appeared to me (even being a anti schuey man) that Schuey did not want to pass as he braked also.
From a different angle, Ross Brawn said 'they were not racing' and maybe they kept positions as they did not want them to get tangled amongst one another whilst trying to pass.
In any event it makes a mockery of the sport.
Ruby should change teams, as you said Rick in the shadow of the 'cheating german swine' Ruby has no chance.
I think the look he got from his brother said it all......
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif And I wouldn`t want to be Rubens` Motivation coach ......
Coach: `OK Rubens, next race I really want you to give it your best shot...`
Rubens: `And why should I do that exactly...What`s the bloody point???`
Great way to reward and motivate your drivers, nice one Ferrari.http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/mad.gif can ya tell i'm still a bit cross about this????
I know Maclaren did it too, but that was when the championship was closer, but they do give there drivers a 1 million bonus for a win, but ferrari do not, I think that would have made the difference!
Ferrari President 100 per cent behind that under-fire Team Order decision
FERRRARI's decision to order Rubens Barrichello to pull over and let Michael Schumacher pass and win the Austrian GP has been given the full backing of Ferrari President Luca Montezemolo.
Montezemolo made it clear when he met with the media that the team decision was based on reason and not on emotion and he was "one hundred percent" behind it.
"I am sorry for Barrichello, who was great for the whole weekend and deserved to win, Montezemolo said.
"Sometimes, however, one has to let the head rule the heart.
"While, with a few laps to go, I was instinctively happy for Rubens to win, ten seconds after the chequered flag I said to myself, 'yes, that was the right decision' because I want to make it clear that this was a decision with which I agree with one hundred percent.
"I myself, when I was (Ferrari) sporting director in 1975, imposed team orders on our drivers," Montezemolo recalled.
"In Monaco, I told Regazzoni to let Lauda past, as he was quicker and could win the race.
"In subsequent years, on several occasions we asked our drivers to act for the good of the team.
"I am thinking of Hockenheim and Sepang in 1999, when Irvine picked up two wins which kept him in contention for the world championship thanks to the collaboration first of Mika Salo and then of Michael Schumacher.'
Montezemolo said that looking further back in Scuderia history, it was clear that the Italian team had always put the interests of the team above those of the individual.
Going back to the Fifties, he said, there was the 1956 Italian Grand Prix, when Peter Collins handed over his car to Juan Manuel Fangio, which meant the Argentine could finish second and take the title.
Then, in Morocco two years later, Phil Hill was lying second and slowed to let by Mike Hawthorn who thus got ahead of Stirling Moss in the classification that year.
The second place that gave John Surtees's the 1964 title also owed something to team orders, when in Mexico City, the men on the pit wall asked Lorenzo Bandini to slow down and let the Englishman finish ahead of him
"On top of that," Montezemolo continued, "it does not seem to me that other teams have behaved differently in the past.
One only has to recall the 1998 Australian Grand Prix when Coulthard let Hakkinen pass, not to mention Jerez in 1997, when what happened was an agreement between two teams, Williams and McLaren to let the Finn take his first grand prix win.
: "It has been suggested that Ferrari had acted arrogantly on this occasion (in Sunday's Austrian GP). "I don't agree," said Montezemolo.
"Three times, we have lost the Drivers' title by a whisper and we learnt the hard way that every little point can make the difference.
"We certainly don't think this championship is already decided just because we have won five races. We know the situation can change very quickly.
"Two years ago, Michael arrived at the French Grand Prix with a 22-point lead over Coulthard and 24 over Hakkinen. Then came three races with no points and the Finn made up the whole difference, passing our driver in the classification in Budapest.
"Whether or not the four points which came Michael's way yesterday because of our decision will play a decisive role, is something we won't know until the end of the championship."
The decision still sucks.
Bit of insider info: Montezemolo made the decision. No one on the wall wanted it.
How did you find that out Sapphy? You a secret agent, well that would explain your multi location profile mate!
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