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Does anyone have any info / pictures / pages from a ford manual on how this is supposed to go on? Is it really just a case of putting the horse-shoe plates either side of the turbo mounting, then the two inserts either side and then the big spring clip? am i missing something?
Give me one minute big guy.... http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
I thought you had a 4x4 head ?
Admittadly it's a T34 turbo, but I hope that it helps!
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/2003512214046224285.jpg
eek whats that silver thing http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Thats an engine fooker uperer when it snaps off or splits (shouldn't be long now, they all snap sooner of later!), Clint! Didn't you know that?! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
I thought you had a 4x4 head ?
I do indeed, but spec-r sell an adapter to use the rs500 turbo damper on the 4x4 cylinder head. I have decided to get rid of the bailey turbo damper as it doesn't actually dampen anything, it just holds the turbo in place.
Sapphy, ta very much, that shows pretty much how i thought it would go together, but is it really just held on the turbo with the big spring clip?
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/200351210613636042.jpg
IMA_Racing
12-05-2003, 22:49
Wes...YEP...thats how she goes.....RS500 damper the best there is..;)
I know this Phil http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/wink.gif Have you got any pics of your one to share?
So it is just a friction fitting on the turbo bracket then? Just want to make sure, don't want to drive it and crack the cylinder head because i wasn't 100% sure about it http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
The bailey one is http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/shit.gif for the exact reason you said. I have a brand new 500 damper sat in a box in my loft.
Interesting I have had several discussions about this and our conclusion were that with the 2wd manifold and tubular ones you didnt want to allow any damping to happen, what I mean is if you allow the manifold to vibrate at a different rate from the engine you have to be stressing the bolts its held on with.
But a solid fixing dosnt allow the manifold to expand so 2 rod ends we thought were the best compromise as they allow for movement but wont allow the manifold vibrate at a different frequency to the engine.
The other comment I would like to add is that I have seen 2 of the Spec R damper conversion brackets that have broken so if your going to do it get somthing a bit more substantial made up.
I personally am going to use a bailey type damper http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif unless of course you are saying you have had trouble with you manifold cracking or comming loose ?
Thats an engine fooker uperer when it snaps off or splits (shouldn't be long now, they all snap sooner of later!),
A friend RST went on fire recently after one of these snapped! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif When did they start bolting them directly to the turbo, I know folk with pre-turbo filters that are remote and they never have any trouble! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/confused.gif
RST have turbo dampers ???
Where ?
I have had trouble with it in the past Clint, the top bolt that holds the rod end in came out due to vibration (i did loctite it in there too!), and also you get a nasty vibration at around 3000 RPM, which is very off putting.
For a tubular manifold this type of damper would be better, as when the manifold gets hot it will start to sag as it's turning into liquid metal http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif , but the cast iron 2wd item doesn't get this bad, but it does need to be supported and dampened due to it's size and weight. I've found cosworth to be quite good at designing things that work http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif I just hope the Spec-R bracket doesn't break, it's not like they are cheap http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif
RST have turbo dampers ???
erm, sorry, I was refering to the Bailey pre-turbo oil filter. they seem to have a thing for snapping and pouring oil over your turbo, hence fire! But like i said, the ones with the oil filter in a remote position instead of bolting it straight to the turbo seem to last. (only from seeing friends with them)
don't be tight but 2 lengths of braided and put the filter in the middle then its more like the origanal item
don't be tight but 2 lengths of braided and put the filter in the middle then its more like the origanal item
What original item ? these things are simply no use ! the fragments that are required to kill a turbo will have already of killed the engine as the oil comes from the main gallery and has already passed through a much better filter.
Its a scam every turbo you send back under warrenty will have suffered oil contamination, IMA just had this the pictures the Turbo company sent back were damming not damming evidence of oil contamination but damming on behalf of the turbo company as firstly it was lumps of swarf rather than particals and secondly they picked on the wrong bloke as Phil had someone strip his engine down and check for signs of contamination and of course there was none http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
lol excellent http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clap.gif put them back in their place! Did Phil have to pay out to get the engine stripped by a third party?
to clear up for Cossiemetro, the 'original item' ie the oil feed pipe is definately required, just not the filter aspect of it http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
Getting back to the Bailey Vs RS500 damper discussion.
I would be very interested to know exactly how much endurance, destructive and general testing has been done on cossie engines with a Bailey damper fitted, compared to ones fitted with the 500 damper by Ford.
Also knowing that the the 500 damper was successfully used in the touring cars as well.
I'd stick with the T&T'd one myself, especially after Wes's experience.
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/4/2003413221615175605.JPG
Any excuse to post that pic! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/drool.gif
Has anyone got a pic of Paul Baileys 500+ BHP cossie powered mk 2? Be interesting to see if he runs one of his own dampers.....
sorry sapphy, went off on one there, just call me captain tangent! lol
Any exploded diagrams of an RS 500 damper? I've got a brand new one but no instruction on how it goes together.. http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/sad.gif
This was the reason for this thread in the 1st place!
I think i have sussed it out now, i will post some pictures tonight on how it goes together when i fit it to my car as the spec-r adapter has now arrived http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/2003514105631622371.jpg
Basically you assemble it befor it goes on the car, if it is a genuine ford kit it will have a spare washer that goes in between the horse shoe parts (arrowed above), simultaing the gap that the turbo bracket would fill. My one didn't come with this, so i will use a big washer. You then slide it onto the turbo bracket, pushing the spare spacer out at the same time. That spring is very hard, but don't go mental with it as you can over stretch it, making it useless http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
Don't worry dupleax mate, it's all informative! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
I've not even pulled mine out of it's wrapper yet. I guess I'll be putting it on ebay now.
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/cool.gif
they're not the cheapest things are they!
OK this is it assembled off the car, getting that spring on is very tricky and i nearly had my eye out a couple of times, use caution when fitting this bit http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif :
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/2003514202348152309.jpg
And this is the spacer installed to aid fittment on the turbo. You know just slide it onto the turbo bracket, pushing this spacer out at the same time:
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/20035142023487133.jpg
Some pics of it all installed, i couldn't take pics and fit it at the same time, it's abit too tricky to do by yourself, and it was raining:
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/2003514202348724553.jpg
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/2003514202348555980.jpg
Some engine bay shots http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif :
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/2003514202348308036.jpg
http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2003/5/200351420234868181.jpg
Now you've done those lovely shots, any chance of you updating those pics in your siggy?! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Those pics in my siggy are up to date! You need to look closer Sapphy http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
I know they are up to date, I was being polite.
[slim brutal honesty mode] Any chance of you using some decent pics in you signature rather than those squished un-identifiable things? [/slim brutal honesty mode] http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
I thought I was being good by not having a sig in 640 x 480! Oh well i can always change that http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/jester.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/jester.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/jester.gif
They just don't do your car justice mate.
Well, i am gobsmacked the difference fitting the proper RS500 damper has made, the vibration has simply gone, totally, i'm in shock and need to sit down! I just took it out for a blast (1st time since fitting it) and it has made the car nice again, almost feels standard when driving through town (ok, except for the loud exhaust, whining gearbox, hard suspension etc http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/jester.gif ) I nearly smiled! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
Excellent news, I'm really pleased for you mate http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
spadge518bhp
16-05-2003, 23:17
Hi Hugh!
Hello mate http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif I hear you had an interesting time up North http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Blimey if it makes that much difference I think Ill sell my Bailey one and get an original item http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
how much was the spec R bracket Wes?
LOTS of money for what it is! Costs £150 + VAT + delivery from Spec-R http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/clint.gif I was originally going to make something similar, but i just wanted something that would fit and not have any hassle http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
OK then me thinks I had better design one http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif can I borrow your one that come with the RS500 item ?
you mean the wedge block? if so then yeah http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif it's abit bigger than the one that comes with the spec-r one though, nothing a milling machine can't deal with though http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
clint if they are cheaper than the bailey and spec-r ones, i'll have one.
There you go your first order. lol
Does that mean i get it free? lol
**DONOTDELETE**
18-05-2003, 11:10
Clint,
I would take one off your hands as well. Could you let me know when they are available, and a price please
paul@cybersourced.com
cheers
ps is anyone selling a new 500 damper assembly to go with the bracket.
**DONOTDELETE**
18-05-2003, 11:15
Also do you make the little bracket that holds the fuel rail/pressure reg to the plenum for a 3dr cos ( preferably in stainles)
cheers
PAUL
E-mail Mike Rainbird ( mike@rjpipe.demon.co.uk ) for the RS500 damper unit.
Any Ideas how much mike charges ? I have found them for what I think is a good price but hey who knows http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
£140 delivered from Mike. GGR also sell them, £141 ex VAT + delivery http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
**DONOTDELETE**
19-05-2003, 14:52
there were some new ones for sale on the RS board for £80 at one time, but as the thing is shot again as usual, I cannot access the post.
Clint can you let me know your price for one
cheers
PAUL
**DONOTDELETE**
30-05-2003, 11:32
I think i have sussed it out now....Basically you assemble it befor it goes on the car, if it is a genuine ford kit it will have a spare washer that goes in between the horse shoe parts (arrowed above), simultaing the gap that the turbo bracket would fill. My one didn't come with this, so i will use a big washer. You then slide it onto the turbo bracket, pushing the spare spacer out at the same time. That spring is very hard, but don't go mental with it as you can over stretch it, making it useless http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/grin.gif
correct! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif bloody hard fitting that spring too init LOL http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/wink.gif yeah it should be a white plastic washer that fits between the two and then slides out when fitting to the turbo, and as you said in a later post, completely removes all vibration! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif this kit IS the best, as said on here earlier, the Bailey kit doesnt dampen, it just holds.
I bought a genuine 500kit from GGR a while back, was only £99 inc VAT at the time though, have they gone up that much now? :eek:
hmm i posted the above but wasnt logged in for some reason DOH!!!!
zakspeed
30-05-2003, 11:41
Hi Sapphy, just looking at your engine bay, I notice there are a lot of breather pipes going to a box on the RHS, how and where are all these pipes coming from and does the collector box just vent to atmo?
Hi Sapphy, just looking at your engine bay
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/jester.gifhttp://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/jester.gif - I wish it was mate! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif
It's Martin Labatts ex-touring car RS500 - Look for his post in the Car gallery forum. http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/smile.gif
And sorry, I can't anser your question as I have no idea! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/images/smilies/blush.gif
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