User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Megasquirt misfires

  1. #1
    Racer Decade Plus User

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Belgium
    Age
    56
    Posts
    2,118
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 197 Times in 169 Posts

    Megasquirt misfires

    I'm not a super guru when it comes to ECU electronics. Normally all go well but this time I'm facing a strange problem. During mapping the S2000 2,4 ltr I'm facing misfires. I see the dwell time jumping very high (even red color on gauge) and you can see the "shadow" of the needle standing very high for a few seconds. Or dwell goes to almost zero. After some investigation I saw on the real time display the voltage got some spikes. When the engine is not running, no spikes, nice flat line. Once running I got spikes up the line and spikes under the line. Changing the earth points did not help at all. + I'm already taking 12 Volt supply direct from the battery. It can't be a "lost" of current because I also have spikes up the line, not only under (adding voltage). Every time I go a spike under the line I got a misfire (coil not fully charged). Coil is VW / Audi with build in amplifier, wasted spark. Toothed wheel is 30-2 and very clean signal. Changed ECU with an other one, same problem. Nothing I've done changed anything.

    Some good Megasquirt electronic guys out here? I feel, must have something to do with electric interference. At least, I guess.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails P2171161 kopie.JPG‎  

    Last edited by Dyno; 17-02-2015 at 21:26.

  2. #2
    Tyre Kicker

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Duxford
    Posts
    39
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    Are you using Tuner Studio / Megalog view to tune? If so, when using Megalog to look at a log you will be able to see whether Megasquirt is resetting from red markers in the time ribbon. I would think the low voltage spikes are causing resets hence the misfires. As you are seeing these in Megasquirt you must be getting an intermittent power supply to it. Looking at your voltage it is generally under 13v, which seems low to me. Normal voltage should be 13.8 - 14.5 volts when charging. So your high spikes are could actually be ‘return to normal’. The evidence seems to be pointing in the direction of the charging circuit. Dying Alternator? Faulty diode pack? If not, maybe a dry joint on the power supply to the Megasquirt. Worth running a soldering iron over a few joints.

  3. #3
    Racer Decade Plus User

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Belgium
    Age
    56
    Posts
    2,118
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 197 Times in 169 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    Dear old_timbo,

    Theres is no alternator on the engine (is running on the dyno). Pretty sure, after half a day of fighting all joints are 100% true.

    Did some surfing on the net I found out low impedance injectors can cause this problem. Seems like they send a lot of rubbish back into the ECU. More as you can expect from a coil. It's the first time I'm using low impedance injectors. The symptoms I've been reading about are exact the same as I got right here. Tomorrow I will have it run on the stim in situation and see what effect the injectors have on the voltage reading.

    The spikes on top of the voltage must come from a source higher as the battery voltage. Since there is no alternator and I did shut down the battery loader, the spikes must come from an induction back into the circuit. At least I hope I got it right. The spikes on top are not a direct problem, only the one under the line (very often serious low) cause misfires as like you do a "burn". All gauges on screen do a strange and quick "move".

    Some people make mods so the spikes disappear but I prefer the switch to high impedance (at least IF .... )

    Will keep you informed, if not working will try post a log.

    Thanks

    PS, I did had a faulty diode once, believe me, it takes a lot of time before you realize what's going on.

  4. #4
    Pole Position Decade Plus User
    Turbosport Administrator
    Miniliteman's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    the Netherlands
    Posts
    4,904
    Thanks
    38
    Thanked 614 Times in 561 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    Have you setup the Megasquirt for low-impedance injectors i.e. current-control (limiting) mode?

  5. #5
    Racer Decade Plus User

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Belgium
    Age
    56
    Posts
    2,118
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 197 Times in 169 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    Yes, setup for low imp. Will test this evening on stim, with and without injectors to see what's happening. I did not noticed any problem when I've build the wiring an tested on stim but did not checked for other errors, injectors where opening and ignition was working.

  6. #6
    Racer Decade Plus User

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Belgium
    Age
    56
    Posts
    2,118
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 197 Times in 169 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    OK, connected the stim and had it running. Since the engine is not real running you can hear all the noises and it's clear every time you see a spike (up or down) you here the injectors are not correct working (and possible ignition, could not see). Disconnected the injectors and voltage line stay perfect flat. Changed injector setup for high impedance, fitted 12 Ohm injectors and voltage line stayed flat as without injectors. Injectors perfect running.

    Have not started the engine yet, will do tomorrow, but I'm sure the problem is solved.
    Last edited by Dyno; 18-02-2015 at 20:06.

  7. #7
    World Champion Decade Plus User
    Turbosport Subscriber
    alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,229
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 450 Times in 436 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    well done, and very useful info.

  8. #8
    Racer Decade Plus User

    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Camberley, Surrey
    Posts
    3,248
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 356 Times in 341 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    I'm no Megasquirt authority but I thought they were only capable of supporting 1 low ohm injector per output or 4 high ohm - injector current was / in capped at 5A - maybe thats it and its over loading the output transistors? Your swop seems to bear this out?

  9. #9
    World Champion Decade Plus User
    Turbosport Subscriber
    alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,229
    Thanks
    168
    Thanked 450 Times in 436 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    different versions have different mods to cope from memory. a ms1v 2,2 i built for a mate has a "daughter" board add on.

  10. #10
    Racer Decade Plus User

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Belgium
    Age
    56
    Posts
    2,118
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 197 Times in 169 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    Wel, don't know all about the models but this one should be able to fire the 4 low ohm injectors. Only, these can generate the noise. Seems like some make mods to the MS2 and clean up the spikes. I hardly understand what they exact modify and does not want to start soldering. Just replace the low ohm and will never fit them again. I've always been using high ohm but had 2 sets low ohm at the shelves and wanted to use them (saving money but loosing an other day!!!!!).

  11. #11
    Tyre Kicker

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Duxford
    Posts
    39
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    My son had all sorts of problems getting low ohm injectors on a Suzuki Swift engine working with his MS1, the drive circuits just didn't like them despite all sorts of recommended fixes. So when I fitted injection / MS2 to my Pinto I made sure I went high impedance.

  12. #12
    Tyre Kicker rallyrs's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    newcastle, australia
    Posts
    24
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    I ran my pinto fuel only and had no dramas, once i connected the coil packs it misfired. The coils dirtied up the 12v .the fix was a diode across each relay to stop them dropping and a capacitor/condensor mounted near the coil pack.
    Last edited by rallyrs; 19-02-2015 at 07:59.

  13. #13
    Racer Decade Plus User

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Belgium
    Age
    56
    Posts
    2,118
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 197 Times in 169 Posts

    Re: Megasquirt misfires

    Tuning done, cabs replaced with fuel injection system. Light blue is carb torque, red carb power, rest is injection.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails S2400 carb en injectie.jpeg‎  


+ Reply to Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts