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    105speed closing

    It is with a very heavy heart I type this but after 13 years of trading we have been forced out of business by Piper Cams, the people who have manufactured our exhaust range for the last 10 years.

    We will be closing the doors at the end of this month, 31st May 2016, any outstanding orders will be completed by that date.


    The Forum will remain OPEN for as long as people want to use it and Anglias at the Ace 2016 will go ahead as planned.




    As many have realised either from speaking to me or from seeing posts on here and on the Facebook we have not been able to supply exhaust products for some months now.


    This situation has come about because towards the end of last year Piper Cams appointed a new Sales Manager, Justin Buckman, who without spending any time getting to know me or understanding our market place decided to 'review' our account.


    We are a 'Contract Customer' so we contracted Piper to make exhausts for us, we paid for the development of all those products through a pre agreed order amounts and maintained exclusivity on those products by a guaranteed level of business each year. As part of this deal we had to order minimum order quantities and had minimum order values and Piper specified those quantities etc, we did not negotiate them they set the rules and we have worked within them for the last 10+ years, spending way over half a million pounds with them.


    Piper have a number of 'Contract Customers' in a number of different niche markets, from classic Ford to kit car and each Contract customer is different, some only have one manifold made to suit their particular application, some have manifolds and systems, everyone is different and to my knowledge no one has a range as big as ours, which makes us quite unique in that respect.


    As part of Justin's 'review' he wanted to bring our order quantities in line with other Contract Customers, so people who have one manifold may have to order 10 units at a time and thats what he wanted to do with us. He also wanted to remove our credit facility, something we have enjoyed for the duration of dealing with Piper and on their own Credit Controllers admission we had the best debtors days of any of their customers.


    As I explained to Justin, if we were to order 5 different lines, so Crossflow, Pre-crossflow, Zetec, Anglia Systems & Cortina Systems, which was the typical make up of most of our orders, we would have had to take 50 items into stock and pay for them up front. working on a basic round figure for illustration purposes 50 x £250 = £12,500+VAT


    And here's the kicker, we would have had to store 50 items and herein lies the crux of the problem that has led to the break down of the relationship.


    On our previous arrangement we would have taken 15 items into stock which would have meant an outlay of £3750+VAT and we could do that and did do that anything up to 3 times a month depending on the time of year, it was a little and often, one in one out type arrangement so storage was never really a problem.




    We explained all this and eventually the minimum order quantities were reduced to 5 items per line, however, using the same illustration above we would have had to order 25 units rather than the previous 15 units and again store and pay for those additional 10 units.


    But there arent just 5 lines in our product range, so the situation just gets worse as you end up holding the slower lines, like N/A Cosworth or Lotus Twin Cam in stock for up to a year or more and in doing so locking up profit in those lines so any profit made on the faster moving lines, like Crossflow / Zetec / Anglia systems etc is swallowed up to pay for the slow moving lines, thus removing profit from the businesses cashflow for months and months at a time.




    Piper stated storage and cashflow were my problem, not theirs and refused to return to the original trading terms that have been in place and worked fine for the previous 10 years.


    The exhaust business forms 70-75% of 105Speed's turn over so it is no longer economically viable to trade, as the profit made on custom Propshafts, radiators, clutch kits etc is just not enough to warrant staying in business.




    We do have a number of items in stock, radiators, clutch kits, Windscreens for Saloon & Van, heated and standard laminated for Saloon & Estate and standard laminated for Van, alternator conversions etc


    So if you were thinking about something, speak to me sooner rather than later.


    WE HAVE NO STOCK OF EXHAUST PRODUCTS so please do not ask.




    Before anyone asks :-


    Yes we did seek legal advice, however, like so many people we entered into the relationship thinking it would never end, so we made no provision for exit clauses or penalties. The naivety of youth and a belief that people will be as decent in business as you was my downfall and as a result have ended up losing a business I have worked at for 13 years, not because we've gone bust, but because a manufacturer has employed someone who has little or no understanding of business.


    Yes we have looked at alternative manufacturers and although a couple were very interested because our trading history would allow them to grow their businesses, the work involved in re-developing the range was just too big a task


    Yes we looked at taking on additional storage but as we are based in a village there is no commercial storage, which meant having to store things in Bedford and to get secure storage is expensive plus having part of the product range to hand and the other half miles away totally impractical and all of which would have added to our overheads which would mean prices would have to go up.




    It just remains to thank everyone for spending a bit of cash with me over the years


    Copied from 105speed forum.


    '68 1100 Deluxe-bog stock soon to be a twincam rep.


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    Re: 105speed closing

    very sad to read

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Feel gutted for you ��

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    Re: 105speed closing

    sounds like no one comes out the winner in that deal maybe the new sales manager wont be around that long .i wonder if others who had a similar arrangement as you did have got the same treatment ? luckily i have one of your twincam manifolds waiting to be used.

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    105speed closing

    Quote Originally Posted by morcheen View Post
    luckily i have one of your twincam manifolds waiting to be used.
    Dam I was thinking of getting one this year 😤 I hope piper don't start making them because I won't buy on principle now. This sort of thing does annoy me. Small business's working their hardest to keep cars on the road due to a passion for the scene only to be crushed by the want for extra profit on top of what they already had.

    Bah piper 👎

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Sad news, hoping something changes, maybe above the level of the new sales rep?

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Sad to hear.

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Sad to hear that...

    Big business strikes again pushing out the little man..

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    Re: 105speed closing

    its tough, but just goes to prove its bad to have too many eggs in one basket, here at work the normal car servicing side of the business is quiet, be the rover resto part is busy as am i with engines

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Do You own the tooling?
    This new throttle the little guy is killing this country
    Sorry to hear this .i wanted exhaust stuff but seen the posts
    Perhaps a partner business can save your designs .piper you a holes !
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    Do You own the tooling?
    This new throttle the little guy is killing this country
    Sorry to hear this .i wanted exhaust stuff but seen the posts
    Perhaps a partner business can save your designs .piper you a holes !
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    Re: 105speed closing

    I get the impression that no matter what your excuse was or going to be, they had you nailed from the start, it's a tough bitter pill to swallow, but you know yourself that you have contributed a great deal to the world of classic cars and the modifications that a lot still have fitted, a lesson learned methinks, does not make it any easier I know, but step up to the plate, knuckle down and start your next idea, keep yer chin up, good luck for the future.
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    Re: 105speed closing

    Looks like Piper are now selling Neils manifolds and systems themselves, even tho Neil developed and paid for them. Wankers. Avoid.


    '68 1100 Deluxe-bog stock soon to be a twincam rep.


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    Re: 105speed closing

    what shitty move !

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Sad news.Personally I haven't had anything from 105speed during my escort build(and wont now) but their name comes up all the time during builds and advice on this and other forums. You'd have thought,as SCOTTCAS says,someone higher up the pecking order would and could have stepped in. AVOID piper........

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    Re: 105speed closing

    I see this on Facebook as well very sad news out of order the big company's ruining the little businesses. Had a exhaust system off yourself for my mk1 and its such a great bit of kit and a very nice guy to talk to sorry to hear about it all hope something changes

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    105speed closing

    Quote Originally Posted by meXEco View Post
    Looks like Piper are now selling Neils manifolds and systems themselves, even tho Neil developed and paid for them. Wankers. Avoid.
    Had a look and strangely they are now doing Neil's range of exhausts! This cant be coincidence as a 4age into anglia manifold is not really off the shelf stuff.

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Exactly bang out of order if you ask me.


    '68 1100 Deluxe-bog stock soon to be a twincam rep.


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    Re: 105speed closing

    Just seen the update on this and the move by Piper is disgraceful. They've put 105speed out of business just to earn abit more money, and I doubt they are strapped for cash anyway. Just plain greedy!

    That said given 105speed has a significant presence across numerous forums the news of what Piper have done to Neil and that they are now selling products he developed should spread quite quickly. Assuming we are all much of the same opinion to boycott Piper for this move so surely this will have an impact on their sales numbers. I doubt they will turn them over in the same numbers like Neil could because people will find an alternative to these products purely because of their role in the closure of 105speed so will ultimately end up losing out..

    I've got a 105speed manifold and exhaust for my escort but if I ever need another I won't be going to Piper that's for sure.

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    Re: 105speed closing

    That's proper shitty...I had a complete exhaust from 105 speed for my mk1 when I built that it was a shame to get it dirty what a tosser Mr Justin up his own arse is...

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Just read through this thread with a sad heart

    I've just had Kermit set up on the rollers over here in Canada and lot's of the guys who popped by, commented on my 105E Manifold and system, in a good way.
    Now I read this and it makes me want to send nasty E-mails to Piper............
    Cheers

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    Re: 105speed closing

    Hi, are you still looking for stainless steel exhausts

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