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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    let me know what youre doing with the flywheel if you decide to use a std size pinto flywheel please.

    projects definitely looking sweet!! keep it all up.
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    nice machine a lot of work there it is harder with out big budgets a credit to you

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Not all bad luck then I measured the clutch face and it's a about 9 inches if that double confirms it ? I thought it might not even fit in the bolt holes from the block I will check that tonight.
    Next question then did the 205 engine come in a transit ? The guy i bought the engine off had them as a job lot from another guy so it may have just got mixed up hopefully. If it is a transit engine it will have lower compression ? which may be better in the long term or it may mean it's been ragged by a builder

    Trigger wheel went to my neighbors last night for some professional help and accuracy hopefully the wheel will run true now.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    If it has the big flywheel the its a transit or p100. Both low comp pistons. Later 202's have a stronger web at the rear for the box mounting bolts

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Cheers robrs2. Just been to the garage to check as i cannot see how it would fit full stop. The distance between the lower block bolt holes is 320mm through the centre line of the crank so how would the flywheel fit or am i missing something. Just checked my engine and on TDC the pistons are flush with the block bar a minute gap and mean minute. The head that came with engine has gone to one side as the cam was grooved so the one i will be using is off a granada for defo so i should be back to around 9:1 cr ( is that correct).
    As i say the flywheel was not fitted to the engine just thrown in under the assumption is was for the engine but it is a 205 block for sure. Anyhow to get round this i am picking up a proper flywheel off a 2 litre tomorrow the guy breaks capris so he may know what is off a 2.8i ???

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    My transit block has the pistons about 1mm down the bore at TDC.
    I'll need to check on the flywheel size though.
    The transit and p100 had a different casting number on the head, can't remember it but will check.
    If the head has the injector cutouts on the inlet ports then its not a transit or p100 head.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    The flywheel problem is sorted £10 later and my mate supplied one that fits in the bellhousing. He also had one illusive part that i needed aswell the sealed connectors that go on the sierra fuel pump i will be using. I assume they are off a 2.8 capri The car is complete and drives a treat but i have took the plunge to get converted over to injection as the starter of the whole project. Wizzed out the tank and installed the 8mm return pipe in true turbosport style it was soldered in. I also tried to get it to return to the bottom of the tank and it seems ok. Just the supply side of the tank to do. Removed the fitting and hopefully it will have enough meat in it to be tapped to a 14mm thread to install the new fitting from think auto.

    Them sierra pumps have massive inlets. Also managed to bag anothe inlet plenum which provided the fuel rail connector which i was also struggling to get. £25 all in seems steep for one fitting but it will be the basis of the future home made plenum.

    Lastly i have put in a picture of a fitting i need if anyone has one i will pay for it no probs. It is a black plastic speedfit type that connects 6mm fuel hose to 8mm copper pipe.
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    After posting last night the wife settled down to some kak tv so i had quick hour in the garage.
    I have a list of jobs all adding up change springs redo brakes (new pedal box) add chassis strengtheners grp 4 steering knuckle............. I decided to drop the lot in one. To sum up after tonights session (thanks soap tv awards for the time) there is 8 bolts left holding the engine and box in and all the suspension is at the back of the garage.
    It is full steam ahead now until something domestic or DIY stops me.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Last on page 2 so time for an update. Lots of background work coming together. Got the timing wheel finally engineered properly now fits as good as it will get. Welded in the chassis leg gussets as the engine is out and i had them lying around. Not the prettiest welds but they are strong. Biggest problem turned out easy I have fitted a 10mm copper outlet to the tank after many other attempts at matching threads and outlets. I drilled the original tank fitting right through with a 10mm drill. Put some 10mm plumbing pipe right through with 2 inch in the tank to keep out muck from the bottom etc.After several attempts soldered nice and solid now. Once fitted in the tank i soldered 10mm elbow on has a lip on and fits 12mm hose perfectly. This will go to a high flow filter with 12mm tails which will go to the sierra pump with a reducer from 12mm to 15mm.
    Return pipe now fitted just the feed from the pump to do. Then onto wiring the MSquirt in. Pedal box ready to go in and Hydraulic clutch and bits on its way
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Well done mate , it's tricky using the original tank for injection and i also spent a fair few hours scratching my head and driving about looking at different bits of pipe and tubing etc .

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Comming along nicely .. 'cept for your cars attempt at potholing !!! lucky escape there, reminds me of a time when i was using a commercial Garage for MOT's and and while i was waiting a guy comes in asking for an MOT, matey says after this one s gone bring yours in to me and says to the new one, after he's gone your next.. so he does my car and tells me to drive out and come back for the ticket, and say to the other bloke to bring his in.. well i drive the length of the 40 foot long pit and park up, just as i come walking back in a Reliant Robin comes rattling round the corner, in through the doors and BANG.. drops the front wheel straight in the pit.. scrapes along for a few feet to the laughter of all. The Mot'er is trying to be sympathetic to the guy whilest crying with laughter... and all the bloke can say " i just didnt think.. i just didnt think"

    Anyways back to your car.. take the chance now and move the fuse box. With any other engine 'cept the x-flow you cant get to it once its all plumb in

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Things been a bit slow as i was waiting for Burtons to ship the hydraulic clutch. I was about to phone then realised i had free delivery which took 7 days so for free i waited. Started to fit it all tonight when things went down hill. My shiny repaired bellhousing was thrown on and upon tightening it up a crack grew on the top bolthole. Great just as i had covered everything in silicone and only ordered one gasket. Quick switch to the original and all was done will get my mate to see if he can fix it with his TIG set, always handy having a spare bell housing. Engine had it's flywheel fitted with ARP bolts and i made up a gizmo to lock it whilst torquing up i used to put a block of wood in the crank clutch on aswell.
    I have also ran all the wiring through the sill just to tidy up the inside this includes lights and the starter motor feed and the main supplies for the ECU and washer tube as this is in the boot aswell
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Not been that busy over the last coupla weeks but I have the clutch release fitted and have done the grubby jobs of removing the gearbox mounts and gearbox hole ready for the 5 speeder. Also notched out to move the radiator forwards so i can fit a fan behind it as before it was really tight on the engine. The bottom crossmember will have some tin put back in to retain strength but give the room for the bottom of the rad also after measuring up for the cosworth intercooler it would fit but requires the ends to be modded and the dump valve outlet blanking off. Also it is not very high but very deep so would be tight in behind the grill. Ordered a small universal intercooler off a guy on ebay which should fit a treat ,we shall see. It is a universal one 600x140x63mm deep and is good to 400bhp which i don't think i will ever get to. It all just keeps adding to the budget Hey it's an escort more like an investment the way prices are growing

    P.s notice the 19mm ply over the pit now only moved whilst i did the mounts. No more endo moments
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Been a while now funny i never seem to have time to give a progress report but have managed to get a fair bit done. Cross member has been boxed and new rad mounts made this will go for a full density recore giving max cooling and this will give loads of clearance for a fan at the back allowing my new intercoooler to fit in a treat except, for the mounts on the top which i will get my welder mate to rectify. Took four hours to mount the gearbox on the engine and this was under the car eventually dragged it all out and realigned and worked a treat When i have done this before the clutch usually slides around a bit with a whack on the bell housing. This didn't so i think my previous suspicions are correct that it may be uprated. Me and the 5 year old lad lifted the whole lot up and in it went. Gearbox cross memebr to space out then and on with the engine and injection and pedal setup but tons of motivation at the mo so should have a few more updates to come soon.
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Just caught up on your thread. Good work mate.
    I know it is totally useless to you now, but the tank fittings are a bsp thread and stocked in B&Q

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    looking good buddy! glad to see all is still moving forward and closer to being another pinto turbo on the way.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Well here we go again. The running gear is in the struts now have 200 lb springs as opposed to the 300 lb previous so we shall see what it handles like on the road, mind you it was sh*t hot before but all advice points that they were too much and i think the tyres were doing most of the damping. The pedal box is in but not plumbed in i am still not convinced my pedals are right the clutch is very high but maybe settle on bleeding and i had to push in the brake cylinder to install it. I may go for the easy fix and throw in a bias box it is just more money but it will be ready for better brakes in the future.
    Gearbox has been spaced by using an old sunbed stand which i had hoarded for 10 years as it looked like useful metal sad i know but it paid off a treat and it is also ready powdered coated but in City blue I will make some strengtheners were it bolts through the car floor on the inside and finish them off properly.
    Finally clanger of the week i cut the trans tunnel hole out to move it without checking, it was already an RS box so would have fitted however it wasn't the best so i have remade a new one which i think is a lot better on the plus side the two piece prop fitted straight in but not without dropping off the diff and trapping my middle finger in the UJ
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    It's getting there mate

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by wildo105e View Post
    Finally clanger of the week i cut the trans tunnel hole out to move it without checking, it was already an RS box so would have fitted
    You should have used my method.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Dave _Roberts. Unfortunately my cutting wasn't as neat as yours hence the size it is now.

    What 5 speed levers does anyone use is the rally design one ok or is worth paying the extra for the burton quaife one ? Are the kits worthwhile ?

    Does anyone have an opinion on the engine angle in the piccies above to me it looks a little laid back which means altering the gearbox mounts a bit which is no big deal if it makes the engine angle right ?

    Cheers

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Been some time for an update. Changed jobs and i have been busy trying to do what i told them i could do in the interview (does that make sense). Anyhows i have been grabbing an hour here or there. Got the bottles fitted for the pedal box but really they are too high up the bulkhead so i had to curve the pipe round to connect it. This has ensured that i can't get any fluid into the master cylinder i thought the cylinder would suck the fluid seems not in my case. These will get replaced with braided hoses and banjo fittings when i get time to order them (would have had plenty of time in the old job). Next i have welded in some plates to strengthen the gearbox mounts which bolt straight through the floor and i also welded in the the gear lever cover. I plug welded this to try and make it neater.
    Finally most of my scarce time was spent making up a new parcel shelf in good DIY fashion from MDF i have fixed a new fuse box relays and Megasquirt to the bottom of this and the top will be free to store my Wurthers toffes. More updates will follow as the bug has come back now
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    awesome to see your back on it aswell mate. pinto turbos will be out to play soon!!

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Just a note of caution...the Megasquirt does not like to be upside down. Vibrations can cause the processor to fall out of it's socket, and then the engine stops ;-)

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Thanks all. I never thought about being upside down That gives me another challenge to spin it round or mount it on the top and do away with the wurthers originals

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Made some more progress. Got the head fitted and a new cam bet and tensioner and set the clearances aswell fitted the injection so i can measure up wiring and pipes etc.Pulled all the wiring loom through the bulkhead and fitted rubber grommets. I have still stuck with the upside down mounting at the mo as it was too much hassle to change but will certainly be watching the chip.
    I have also got new brake pots so i can use braided hoses and get a more direct run the master cylinders i also turned these upside down to give some more clearance. Finally bought a proper 5 speed rose jointed gearlever aswell this makes the gearbox feel really good. Next to fit is the fuel pump and brakes and away i go No piccies at the mo as i suddenly have to resize them

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    If you need to keep it upside down, some heat glue or sticky stuff (latex sealant etc.) can be used to hold the processor in it's socket.

    Gustaf

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    Thanks. I thought of something like that or maybe a little strap over it.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Thought i better retreive this from page 4. It's not lack of progress just time to sort out the piccies hopefully they will work this time. The Megasquirt is now fully wired in ready for the inlet to go on I can make the vacuum guage on the lappy to move by sucking and blowing and i had the inlet temp working it said -1 the other night That's artic for you lads down south) it is certainly colder tonight but i didn't try. all the condensation from the tumble dryer is frozen on the garage roof, it beats it dripping on me. The biggest problem was getting the air temp sensor mouted in the inlet and some vacuum take off fittings. I have two inlets and the second has a blanked off boss so after a bit of messing i finally tapped this out and the sensor screws straight in. The other side had the 2 vacuums blanked off with grub screws i drilled a 5mm hole down the centre and gently bashed in nice and tight some plastic fish tank pipe air fittings perfect. Fuel pump fitted loosely and finally a new pedal box from hi spec after messing around with the mexico one. I have dropped the rad off to be double cored and have a fan switch fitted. Not far away from running with injection and points
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    back on page 4 again so time for an update. I seem to have done loads but not very visible It's all been fitting stuff back on and sorting out niggles with the MSquirt. I welded some plates to the floor to give the seats some strength as they were just bolted through the floor. I have been testing the Megasquirt and getting familiar with it as some will have seen on the Engine management forum. I also decided to straight with a coil pack rather than start with points. Really the only thing left to do is terminate the supply for the fan and switch shorten the accelarator cable and get rid of the wife an kids for an afternoon turn the key and drive off
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    nice one keep it up, id love a pinto turbo, but putting in an EFI pinto before i even atempt to turbo anything
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Cheers mate. The progress on the car is slow and nothing really has changed for a while the bulk of the work has been on the megasquirt side of things as you may have seen on the engine management forum.

    Once i have learnt about the ms and got it running i will put the turbo on and maybe a bit of bodywork

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    good work there, your doing better than me i fix one problem to discover two more

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Hi longboy thanks but i seem to hit as many probs as yourself. This becomes annoying when you only grab an hour here and there.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Funny how cars repay you ! Most of the little time spent on the car has been with the megasquirt and finally have it running albeit a bit (a lot) rich but as the car doesn't need an emissions test i thought i would take it for an MOT before doing that i would turn it around under it's own power press the clutch on my new pedal box and Burton hydraulic clutch mech and engaged reverse. The pedal went soft and clutch fluid promptly pis**d out of the bell housing and the clutch is still engaged as i can car roll the car in gear My first suspicions is that the concentric clutch mech has over extended and come out of its housing or failing that a fitting has burst either way the only way to easily look at this will be to drop the engine and gearbox back on the floor (especially having the standard trans tunnel) this time to save effort i will take the whole front struts crossmember and roll bar complete.

    I will be well annoyed if the clutch mech has failed as these cost a right packet and it can only have been pressed enough time to bleed it and maybe a couple of gear change checks

    Watch this space for more dilemmas

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    My suspicions were correct. The clutch did over extend see pics trapping the seal. What concerns me is that this kit is supposed to be for this gearbox combo etc I am sure Burtons will say it all depends on pedal ratio's cover plates etc. I think the solution is to purchase one of their spacers i think it one is a 6mm depth any more may affect the travel of the pedal which should hopefully stop this happening again. Also bought some rose jointed top mounts which will need a spacer making (nothing is straight forward)
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    I ordered the parts from a company called
    http://www.maxspeed-motorsports.com I found there original package on www.ebay.com searching for t3 turbo oil pipe. I then contacted them direct and changed a straight connector for a 45 deg and had a screw in fitting added over the weld in one which they charged a total extra $10 they were really helpful by email. The total came to around £60 including VAT and posty's £4 charge for collecting the money off me.
    Did you compare prices with http://www.earls.co.uk/ ?


    At least your bracket looks more discreet than mine
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Well been a while since the last update but i have been busy taking the engine back out then back in also change top mounts and it is running again albeit very rich.

    The latest addition is a hybrid pinto/cosworth inlet which i have had Bogg brothers weld up for me and also mod the ebay intercooler with some mounts. Next stage is to make a new mini wiring loom for the inlet. This should make a better route for the turbo pipes and also to get a strut brace back on which is how all this started I am well chuffed with the inlet but have yet to trial fit it which may show that it foils the dissy oh well just another challenge i will also fit the intercooler whilst at it then nearly there just got to get a grip of megasquirt and make it work properly which will mean getting the wideband 02 sensor to work
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Very intresting mate...... are you useing a stock pinto bottom end?????.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    The engine is a complete injection unit. The longer term plan is to go cossy bottom end but that is a long way off. I just try and pick bits up as they come along.

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