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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Well there is nothing wrong with that mate, you just got to give it a try! if it works it works, if not there is always somthing else....... good on'ye dude!

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    the o2 sensor's not that hard to set up, my advice would be to use the default settings to start with for both outputs (ones wideband the other is simulated narrow band) thats for the inivate though, that way you dont have to reset all the outputs if the controler resets it's self (happened to me a lot and not had time to reinstall)

    The wiring diagrams are pretty easy to ue as well.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Hey Wildo,

    I figured I would give you another prompt

    Any progress on your Green Machine?

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    well it's been long enough thought i would drag this back to the first page. I have now got the injection running reasonably well (see engine management sectio) and not much chance of MOT'ing the car i got bored and decided to fit the turbo up and get all the bits plumbed in and measured up. Sounds a bit excessive but only takes 20 minutes to take the 4 branch off as i have a bolt up flange.
    I managed to get an RS Turbo downpipe for the the end flanges. A week later searching e-bay for the other half of the lower flange i found a complete exhaust including downpipe for £20 3 miles from home that the way it goes i suppose.

    Once the bends turn up for the turbo side and are all fitted i can either remove it all in 1/2 an hour or just finish it all of and run the turbo. Then the downpipe fabricating and a decent exhaust which i can't afford at the mo
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Well it's about time Thought you had given up the fight. We're going into winter now so that's the time for wrenching on your motor. Keep up the good work

    Rob

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by Osiyo59 View Post
    Well We're going into winter now so that's the time for wrenching on your motor. Keep up the good work

    Rob
    LOL i told the wife the other day now it is getting colder i will start going back in tha garage. The reply came "once the kitchen is decorated"


    They will never understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildo105e View Post
    LOL i told the wife the other day now it is getting colder i will start going back in tha garage. The reply came "once the kitchen is decorated"


    They will never understand
    Although I have never been married, I do know what you mean. But I bet your wife is a lot more understanding than my girlfriend. She just doesn't understand and doesn't even pretend to want to understand. She flat out hates my obsession with my cars. If she had her way they would all be gone as well as the Harley. We got into it about my 59 Ranchero a while back and and I straight told her that she would go before the car did Maybe that's why I'm moving down under and she's not going with me

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    So is the kitchen done?

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Just one wall to put some paper on. I wish cars were as easy to paint as emulsion on walls

    Waiting for my bends to turn up to finish off the turbo boost pipes.

    Next is the downpipe which is were i am stuck which way to go. The current exhaust is an Ashley pea shooter 2 inch i think (maybe smaller) which has been welded about. The RS turbo downpipe is 21/4 inch which is considerably bigger.

    Do i get a new exhaust from neilm and if so he does a 21/4 or do i need bigger 2.5 maybe ? (neilm any comments). My goal is 200bhp(whether this realistice i don't know but you need to aim at something)

    I would like to use say the first 9 inches of the rs exhaust to join to whatever exhaust i have as this would give me a join i can unbolt easily from the downpipe as i know this wont be the last time the engine comes out

    may get some pics on tonight of what my intention is

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    I'd say go for 2,5" right away. For 200 bhp 2,25" will be "enough" but it's good to have a little in reserve for a turbo engine.

    Gustaf

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by therealpinto View Post
    I'd say go for 2,5" right away. For 200 bhp 2,25" will be "enough" but it's good to have a little in reserve for a turbo engine.

    Gustaf

    That is really what i was thinking. If i ever hit 200bhp i am sure i will want more

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by therealpinto View Post
    I'd say go for 2,5" right away. For 200 bhp 2,25" will be "enough" but it's good to have a little in reserve for a turbo engine.

    Gustaf
    Yep. I had a 2" piper system on mine and far to small. Plus you should be able to get away with a single box if you ain't already got one. As the turbo reduces the noise quite a lot, until the waste gate opens

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by Osiyo59 View Post
    So is the kitchen done?

    Back room painted now aswell

    My plan to plumb in the turbo and then revert back might still be on until i can afford a new exhaust. But every step closer makes me feel more like finishing it.

    I have now got the Intercooler connected although the alternator is very closer to the first pipe off the turbo. Thoughts for this was a smaller alternator but also a shorter fan belt may just give enough room.

    Next was the coolant for the turbo. I know the T3 can run on oil only but i wanted to shift some heat into the rad which i had tripled cored. So i have run the first pipe from the water pump to the turbo. Trouble is the one is 16mm and the other 8mm. Not a big fan of doing this but it serves a purpose I soldered a copper yorkshire plumbing fitting 8mm - 15mm to a new cossie turbo pipe. The outsdie dia of the 15mm makes 16mm with a nice lip on aswell. Next bit of plumbing was to complete the circuit back round. I eventually want to use the heater but didn't want to test a 40 year old matrix on a heat generateing turbos so i made a quick joint in the same way so simulate the heater connections.

    I also bought some bling turbo hose clamps and didn't appreciate just how big they are. I think they are more suited to a time attack Skyline
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    nice job man
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Great project mate keep it up

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Thanks guys



    Been thinking about the way i have plumbed in the turbo coolant and may re do it.

    I was thinking of taking the hose from the water pump direct to my heater connection but "T" off with a 8mm hose to the turbo. The return from the turbo would go back to the take off on the thermostat housing.

    My theory is that originally sending waterfrom a 16 mm pipe into 8mm then back up 16mm and i am not sure how it will work.

    If i feed it back it as i propose it will go straight back to the thermostat and rad without pumping a lot of heat back in the engine.
    (any opinions welcome)

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Actually I'm not sure what's best. When I used to run a water cooled turbo I had the water in parallell with the heater. But I felt moste of the water went through the turbo instead of the heater, so it was a bit chilly at times.

    Ideally it's said that the turbo should draw water from a low connection and dump it high, in order to let it self circulate when the engine is shut down. Using the thermostat housing takeoff is tempting since it's very convenient. But since it connects before (?) the thermostat I'm not sure it will be able to self circulate?

    The heater connection on the water pump draws water from the head, another issue. If you connect the other end of the turbo to the thermostat housing, will it not draw hot water (that's supposed to enter the rad) through the turbo?

    Not that I think it's a problem for the turbo though.

    I'm thinking about feeding the turbo cold water from the bottom rad hose, and then connect the turbo coolant hose to the one that goes from the heater to the water pump.

    Gustaf

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Thanks Gustaf,

    I think i have not been looking at this correctly and the way the water circulates.

    So the water pump pulls water through the heater from the inlet side of the engine and thenback into the block once the heat has been drawn out by the matrix. It seems logical when you sit and look at it.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    could you get the extra pipe welded onto your rad for the return like the rst has?

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    you could always use a heater core mounted to the front of the car down low and use a pump to send the water to the turbo and back to the heater core.if you have room i would also use a small tank to fill the water and act as a vent.no pressure in the system that way but you may want to put a pressure cap on it if it gets that hot.it probably will
    now that i think about it.i think a seperate system is better.if you have the room that is.
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by wildo105e View Post
    Thanks Gustaf,

    I think i have not been looking at this correctly and the way the water circulates.

    So the water pump pulls water through the heater from the inlet side of the engine and thenback into the block once the heat has been drawn out by the matrix. It seems logical when you sit and look at it.
    you can't PULL water and you can't PUSH a chain! a water pump PUMPS water, can't pull it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rampant racing View Post
    you can't PULL water and you can't PUSH a chain! a water pump PUMPS water, can't pull it.

    Cheers, I think i am missing a trick. Which way does the water for the heater go then. I originally assumed it was pushed from the outlet on the water pump. But now i visualise it pushed through the block and out the inlet manifold through the heater and then back in the pump outlet.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    hi mate looking good,to be honist you can run that turbo with out water,i did so with my new t3 on my cossie kitcar.
    unless its roller baring i wouldnt bother.

    but if you do just make sure it plumbs into eather side of the water pump
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Lookin good Wildo! I'm glad to see you doing all this for the rest of us to learn from. Much appreciated!

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Aye I have it in my head now that i want to get it water cooled.

    My current think is to have the turbo cooled from the inlet side heater hose. This will run the water at engine temp and then feed it back into a new inlet fitted the thermostat housing. This should sit on the rad side of the thermostat and feed the hot water straight into the rad.

    I may end up swapping the alloy hose joiner in the top hose for a t piece we shall see.

    Osiyo59 - I don't mind one bit if it helps others along in the future. I have got enough info from TS

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    [/quote] Osiyo59 - I don't mind one bit if it helps others along in the future. I have got enough info from TS[/quote]

    Thanks Mate I must agree. I have learned so much from here that I never would have known the true potential of my motor otherwise. Now I just need to get going on mine so I can contribute as well

    Yours is looking brilliant! Keep at it
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Dave , thanks for your help, I think that manifold we were talking about would put the turbo too close to the bulkhead and you've still got to get the exhaust out the back, Any pics of yours looking down on top?
    Did you see that manifold on ebay for £500.

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    Great project mate 'the appliance of science' looks tricky

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by Shanksy View Post
    Dave , thanks for your help, I think that manifold we were talking about would put the turbo too close to the bulkhead and you've still got to get the exhaust out the back, Any pics of yours looking down on top?
    Did you see that manifold on ebay for £500.
    hope these help. If you need more let us know

    Shanksy Looking at the pictures now you may well have enough room but it would put the downpipe close to the bulkhead depends whether you want to take a flyer on it.
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    oooh thats a tough one to call, think I better stick with the homemade job, no progress this weekend lots of house projects on the go as well

    I'll start a thread sometime, we might as well all laugh at my attempts to turbo a pinto.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by Shanksy View Post
    oooh thats a tough one to call, think I better stick with the homemade job, no progress this weekend lots of house projects on the go as well

    I'll start a thread sometime, we might as well all laugh at my attempts to turbo a pinto.
    No laughing at each other here Most of us are also still learning how to do this. Not to mention there are a few real profesionals on here as well.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by Shanksy View Post
    oooh thats a tough one to call, think I better stick with the homemade job, no progress this weekend lots of house projects on the go as well

    I'll start a thread sometime, we might as well all laugh at my attempts to turbo a pinto.
    I would stick with the homemade manifold. I have a garage full of parts that i have bought thinking they would fit which is par for the course with these projects.

    Know what you mean about the house projects
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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    looking impressive fella , i'm soon to attempt the same thing but i'm just trying to get it running n/a first on megasquirt then turbo, just currious to what ignition system you running, i was thinking i might run the edis pack ? are you running edis or cossie management or electronic ignition on a vacume advance or are even on points??????
    sorry if you've already mantioned it but i've just spent the best part of 5 hours straight on this website reading up how to megasquirt my pinto and my only thought so far is coz now i feel less confident about it to when i first started of thinking about doing it.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by Osiyo59 View Post
    Not to mention there are a few real profesionals on here as well.
    Can't see none

    My Turbo'd RS2000 has been sat in the garage for 2 years now while i've been using a standard one. I'm getting sick of being left behind the cossie lot. Think it need to be out again next year.


    As for the pics above, its starting to look like mine did with all the pipes connected up. That was until one of the turbo cooling water pipes let go at the soldered joint onto the banjo fitting. Then i just ran it without cooling. Just make sure your water is passing through the turbo then into the rad and not going into the heater as it will over heat the heater rad and con melt the plastic box.

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Quote Originally Posted by caprimentle View Post
    looking impressive fella , i'm soon to attempt the same thing but i'm just trying to get it running n/a first on megasquirt then turbo, just currious to what ignition system you running, i was thinking i might run the edis pack ? are you running edis or cossie management or electronic ignition on a vacume advance or are even on points??????
    sorry if you've already mantioned it but i've just spent the best part of 5 hours straight on this website reading up how to megasquirt my pinto and my only thought so far is coz now i feel less confident about it to when i first started of thinking about doing it.
    Don't panic

    Have a look on the engine management threads. As i have one running there about the MS. I started with a plan to get it running N/A which i did but not really on the street. I have started fitting up the turbo as i have nothing left to do really other than MOT the car in N/A format. Once i have all the pipes sussed it may well come off until i can afford a decent exhaust.

    My igintion runs from direct from MS so i couldn't really comment on EDIS. I use a trigger 36-1 on the crank for the signal and a coil pack. So far works a treat. MS isn't as bad as you think once you get familiar with it although i have yet to really get some tuning done. Phil at extraefi supplied it built up and has some really good diags on his web site. Just ask there are a few good blokes on here who run MS so i am sure you will get an answer

    Robrs2, thanks for that it was your car that really got me going on this I know what you mean about the pipes you try and keep it neat and somewhere it gets out of control. I am going to redo the coolant pipes so it feeds in off the heater circuit and back in the on the thermostat. This outlet comes in just behind the stat so should feed back into the rad once the stat is open i am haven't connected the heater as i really don't know how sound the matrix is yet

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    right well i've cheated and bought a complete sierra engine and i'll prob run it on the stock ecu untill i have more money to spend, still have no idea what to do about lift pump, swirl pot and fuel pump though, you got any ideas? what did you use??????????

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Hi mate,

    In the Mk1 you have a vertical tank with the pick up right at the bottom. So if you keep enough fuel in you are generally ok 1/4 of a tank at min. Reduces the capacity but saves a load of greif. If you are doing a capri "caprimentle" i think most go for the 2.8i tank The other way is using a low pressure pump into a swirl pot and then high pressure after that

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    cor you should be a mechanic detective type person with them type of noticing skills , i was thinking 2.8 tank but they do fetch one hell of a pretty penny now days. do you reckon the pinto pump would provide enough flow or do you reackon i should get a facet carburetor type fuel pump that does about 25 gallons an hour?

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    Re: MK1 turbo pinto

    Ok Dave, last post was in Feb. BUMP BUMP!!!!!
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