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    Type 9 Disassembly

    I have a type 9 with Quaife H/D S/C synchro internals. Having done damage at a recent tarmac really (extreme bearing noise and almost no 3rd and 4th gears) i am pulling it down to check it out. I have a copy of the haynes manual and the Ford service manual for the type 9/N.

    I have most of it apart but cannot separate the mainshaft from the intermediate housing. I have removed the large circlip and all bits on the mainshaft on the output side. Still have gears on the input side of the mainshaft. Neither manual give alot of help.

    I assume the mainshaft will press out of the bearing? I don't have a press only a fbh. Am i missing something here?
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    You'll probably find out what you want to know here...

    I think there was something about the bit you're talking about..


    http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103512

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Nothing in that link (I have read that useful thread many times over the months). I made a makeshift press this arvo but it would not budge it. Will take it to work and see if our engineering workshop can help me out. Would be nice to have it all separated before the xmas shutdowns.

    Initial inspection shows;
    1. I only have 3 blocker bars in the gearbox whereas there should be 6? I found the remains of at least one very chewed up one in the bottom of the case.
    2. 3rd/4th synchro rings are not cracked (that I can see) but the teeth or worn flat (they are normally pointed towards the gears)
    3. One of the faces on each selector fork in the maincase is worn. Not sure if this is normal?
    4. One of the needle roller bearings (the small ones made of plastic that clip around the mainshaft) was brittle and broke when pulling it out
    5. The internal bearings seem OK. Perhaps the bearing for the mainshaft in the intermediate housing is a little noisey.
    6. Gear teeth look fine but only on a cursory look.
    7. I thought the Quaife heavy duty kit meant I got uprated bearings. I can see that the needle rollers inside the layshaft appear larger and there are 2 or 3 of those plastic needle roller bearings on the mainshaft. Is that all I should expect?


    I was supposed to have billet blocker bars (in 1st/2nd IIRC) but no sign of them. I was also supposed to have a steel synchro ring on 1st/2nd but that isnt there either. Hate paying for things you then don't get!!

    Looking at my mainshaft it appears different to that shown in the thread mentioned above. Maybe this is due to the Quiafe H/D components? Do Quaife supply a totally new mainshaft? His looks like this;




    Mine looks like this and appears different just as the shaft exits the intermediate case and at the input shaft end;




    Thoughts?

    I will have to make up a list of parts to buy
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    You'll need a press to remove bearing from shaft then the bearing comes out the case. FBH will not cut I'm afraid unless you want to do further damage.

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    By the way yours is the correct shaft to accommodate the needle roller in the gears the one above is a conversion to straight cut box ( cheaper version)

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    The mechanics at my works engineering workshop tried to press it off for me but it would not budge. They didn't use huge pressure as they were not 100% sure it presses off as it appears there is a collar on the output side of the shaft that looks a larger OD than the bearing inside diameter (you can sort of see it in my last picture). You are 100% sure the bearing presses off the Quaife mainshaft???
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Success.....found another person to help. Came out like butter!
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Question about parts...........
    1. Are steel baulk rings worth it? Being steel they will presumably wear the synchroniser unit and gear more rather than being sacraficial as are the brass ones?
    2. Are billet/solid blocker bars worth it? Given I have had a number of them chewed up in this box, solid ones would have done alot of damage whereas the pressed ones were thin enough not to cause damage. Thoughts?
    3. Do the usual suppliers (Burtons or Bearingkits) sell the roller bearings used in the Quaife HD setup?
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    I have an answer to #3 but can anybody help me out by answering questions 1 & 2 above please??? I want to order parts but am unsure of the pros and cons of solid and steel parts.
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    I have tried to buy parts from BeraingKits but they do not ship to Australia and won't even answer my email. I need;
    1. Complete set of baulk rings
    2. 5th gear synchroniser unit/hub (inner and outer with springs and blocker bars) (#16)
    3. 5th gear synchro hub (#17)
    4. 3/4 synchroniser unit/hub (inner and outer with springs and blocker bars) (#8)
    5. set of solid blocker bars for all gears
    6. spigot bearing to suit Type 9 to Pinto
    7. 1/2 selector fork
    8. 3/4 selector fork

    Where can I get these from? Help..............
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    BGH Geartech? Or via Burton?

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    emailed burtons a list of parts but not heard anything. Seems alot of UK companies do not like dealing with Australia perhaps...
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Oz do you know anyone in the U.K. Who would send it on for you?
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Did you try bgh? Pick up the phone. Just like the old days.

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Phoning from Oz is not hard nor all that expensive I suppose, just dont like late nights lol

    I emailed BGH but no reply.

    I now have all the parts I need EXCEPT for the 1/2 and 3/4 selector forks. Just cannot find these anywhere new. Could I braze up the wear surface on the old ones?
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Have you tried mkf engineering, he's on ebay and involved big time in the T9 gearboxes (also the new ones from China) ?

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Quote Originally Posted by MK1_Oz View Post
    Could I braze up the wear surface on the old ones?
    Yes. Getting the surfaces finished parallel/correct thickness after welding needs a bit of attention but it can be done. Needs the correct welding rods though - you'll need to find a knowledgeable welder.

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Quote Originally Posted by racing escort View Post
    ...(also the new ones from China) ?
    Not seen them. Tell me more..........
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    they are almost ready for sale, being tested as we speek

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    Type 9 Disassembly

    I'd recommend http://www.gearboxman.co.uk the guys there are very helpful, although cts is an old fashioned workshop and you might be better off phoning!

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Quote Originally Posted by MK1_Oz View Post
    Question about parts...........
    1. Are steel baulk rings worth it? Being steel they will presumably wear the synchroniser unit and gear more rather than being sacraficial as are the brass ones?
    2. Are billet/solid blocker bars worth it? Given I have had a number of them chewed up in this box, solid ones would have done alot of damage whereas the pressed ones were thin enough not to cause damage. Thoughts?
    3. Do the usual suppliers (Burtons or Bearingkits) sell the roller bearings used in the Quaife HD setup?
    when i was running a type 9 i ran the brass balk rings as it is cheaper than buying the gears from quaife. i would try an find some good used baulk rings rather than fitting neww as i found the used ford ones to last longer i think it is becasue they have done pleant of mileage and become work hardened. I'n the end i got sick of the type 9 though and fitted an rx8 box and i haven't looked back since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racing escort View Post
    Have you tried mkf engineering, he's on ebay and involved big time in the T9 gearboxes (also the new ones from China) ?
    Had a look on facebook some interesting stuff on there. Couldn't seen anything about Chinese T9's

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    I'm one of the people who don't have a sore neck from looking at Farcebook.....
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    I have finally got all the parts. Bought 3!!!! input shaft bearings - I damaged the first pushing it on (no press, now have one) then when I ordered another I accidentally ordered 2 grrrrrrrrr.

    Anyway, question regarding fitting the new baulk rings. I have so far added 5th, 1st and 2ng gears to the mainshaft but I am finding that the 2nd gear does not turn on the mainshaft but is locked. I measured the old and the new baulk ring and the new one is slightly thicker (few thou). I rubbed it back a fraction to the same thickness as the old one (they are identical to the eye) but it still locks up 2nd. I put the old ring in, which is useable if I really need it, and 2nd turns. The only thing I could think of is the coned surface of the baulk ring is aggressively gripping the gear cone. Would this free up with use? Is what I am seeing normal? 2nd doesn't actually lock up until the 1/2 thrust washer are put in place which indicates it is the baulk ring causing the grief.

    I don't want to finish building the box if this is likely to be a problem that requires it to be pulled down again.
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    I finished rebuilding my Type 9 Quaife HD SC Synchro box but have an embarrassing issue. A few weeks after the build I found the following part (a steel ring) on the workbench where all of the parts had been layed out. I have no idea if this is supposed to be inside the gearbox or not as I have no idea what it is.

    If is made of steel and is a nicely machined piece (surface marks as if it was made in a lathe). Rounded/bevelled edges. APPROX 1.5mm thick, 35mm ID and 5.5mm wide.

    I have an event very soon and need to test the gearbox but I won't until I can establish if this part has been left out or not. Without any Quaife service manuals/exploded parts diagrams I cannot work it out. It doesn't appear to be a part from a standard Type 9.





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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    I have been researching everywhere I can think of and the ONLY picture I have been able to find is for a Quaife Rocket box;



    My part looks suspiciously like part #31 although I have no idea if Quaife Rocket 4 speed gear kit is the same as the Type 9. Mine has long needle bearings inside the input shaft whereas this one appears to indicate a cage bearing so who knows. Don't recall that the mainshaft had an OD of 35mm though!!!

    No point pulling the box apart again until I can ID this part really.....
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Hi, shown this to my mate who rebuilds gearboxes and he said it's a spacer for a needle roller bearing. So could be your no. 31. Or look at the Quaife website for an exploded view of the gearbox, think there are 2 spacers on the secondary shaft.
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Thanks mate. I have not been able to find a diagram on the Quaife website and they are not answering my email. Will have another look. Disassembly #2 coming up grrrrrr
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    So hard without diagrams or info from Quaife (the above pic is from one of Motorsport-UK's ebay adverts and doesn't even exist within their own website!).
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    Check your email.

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Thank for the diagram mini.

    I bit the bullet and pulled my freshly built box apart. There are 2 pairs of cage bearings that 1st and 2nd gear sit on. The shaft at that point is the correct diameter for my 'thingy' but inserting it just causes the gears to sit too far from the synchro rings so they do not go in there. Could not see anywhere to put it. Will ring Quaife tonight as sick of waiting for a reply from them (another company that likes you when you are spending money but are not interested in ongoing support of past customers???)
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    Found the picture I needed (on the Quiafe website )

    I think it is part #24. I didn't pull it apart that far but will in the morning........

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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    All installed. Gearboxes are not so scarey any more!! Cheers
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    Re: Type 9 Disassembly

    congrats mate...still scary to me...cheers mark

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