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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    I'm building an full race spec Sigma to my MK1 Escort race car .

    I'm thinking custom made pistons and Cams since propper ones quite hard to find. Here in Finland atleast.

    Have any of you guys found propper cams. I've found Piper Cams but im looking for more lift at TDC. And durations from mm to mm.

    Thanks to this forum I found the BPJ Services. I'll go with their set of high cr forged pistons
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    cool, let me know what sort of power it makes matey... seems to be very few people using this now
    i take it youve spoken to shawspeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    I'm building an full race spec Sigma to my MK1 Escort race car .

    I'm thinking custom made pistons and Cams since propper ones quite hard to find. Here in Finland atleast.

    Have any of you guys found propper cams. I've found Piper Cams but im looking for more lift at TDC. And durations from mm to mm.

    Thanks to this forum I found the BPJ Services. I'll go with their set of high cr forged pistons
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by angliaant View Post
    cool, let me know what sort of power it makes matey... seems to be very few people using this now
    i take it youve spoken to shawspeed?
    Yes I have. Until they stopped replying. I guess I'll have to try again. Custom cams here in Finland costs approx 1500£
    Alltough I'm not buildin an budget engine by any means, that is alot. So alternavies do intrest me.

    I'll be replacing 220bhp Pinto with this Sigma engine so I'm going for 200+ bhp

    By the way the pinto is for sale.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    Yes I have. Until they stopped replying. I guess I'll have to try again. Custom cams here in Finland costs approx 1500£
    Alltough I'm not buildin an budget engine by any means, that is alot. So alternavies do intrest me.

    I'll be replacing 220bhp Pinto with this Sigma engine so I'm going for 200+ bhp
    blimey thats not cheap is it!

    they never even started replying to me so your one step ahead

    keep us up to date
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    kent do zetec se cams, i think they are still £500 a pair tho,
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by POO SLINGER View Post
    kent do zetec se cams, i think they are still £500 a pair tho,
    Yes. I've noticed Piper and Kent to do cams to Zetec SE but they're both quite mild. Piper does quite suitable more agressive one but still I'm looking for more agressive profile cams.

    I'm waiting on a quote from BPJ Services on their cams. We'll see if theres suitable ones there.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    just hang fire boys fords are building a turbo 1.6 sigma. should be avilable in about 6mouths or so... i did tell ya tho right

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Got hold of Shawspeed fellas and now I'm waiting for Shawspeed cam catalogue wich is due early next week.
    I'll have to say the fella at Shawspeed was very friendly and helpful.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by topfuel View Post
    just hang fire boys fords are building a turbo 1.6 sigma. should be avilable in about 6mouths or so... i did tell ya tho right
    yeah thats one of the reasons why i bought no engine bits yet

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    Got hold of Shawspeed fellas and now I'm waiting for Shawspeed cam catalogue wich is due early next week.
    I'll have to say the fella at Shawspeed was very friendly and helpful.
    cool, when you get it could you scan it onto the pc please?
    i need to try and speak to them again at some stage
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Good choice of engine i prefer these much more to the old zetec's. Smaller lighter (i think they're all alloy?) and they don't break even if i drive them! Rev very well too
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Moggy, how has the standar oil pump managed? Is the oilpressure high enough to your aplication? How hogh do you rev it?

    I'm going with the dry sump as well and I'm poundering wheter to go with two or three stage pump. I can't quite figuire out the usage of three stage pump since the original oil pump must be retained because it IS engine engine face. The oe pump internals can't be removed because the front oil seal would pop out do to oil pressure.

    In order to get 100% benefit out of the 3 stage pump there must be some custom parts to the original oil pump. Or else the crank will power the 3 stage dry sump pump and the original oil pump. Going aroind the original pump would lessen the power needed to pump oil. Right ?

    Any experiences anyone?

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    I'm building an full race spec Sigma to my MK1 Escort race car .

    I'm thinking custom made pistons and Cams since propper ones quite hard to find. Here in Finland atleast.

    Have any of you guys found propper cams. I've found Piper Cams but im looking for more lift at TDC. And durations from mm to mm.

    Thanks to this forum I found the BPJ Services. I'll go with their set of high cr forged pistons

    Tha BPJ pistons are no longer available. Nowadays they use modified Opel piston and cons to go with them

    Since I allready have original sized cons it seems my pistons need to be custom made.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Callin to Pumabuild fellas proved useful. One can order ROSS Racing pistons to Zetec SE from them .

    Piston matter sorted then.

    Still waiting for the cam catalogue from Shawspeed.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    i have got a 1.6 SE for sale now fellas... with alloy bellhousing to suit type 9 gearbox for £200
    or engine alone for 100
    or bellhousing alone for 150... its in brand new condition never been used

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Roadsport have you tried catcams?
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonus View Post
    Roadsport have you tried catcams?
    I tought I had. But lookin their selection again they looked quite interresting. Thank you I'll have to look in to them more closely.

    Thank again.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    toyota 4age is vertually a replica of the bda internally.

    Allot of poeple tune these 16se engines as we sell loads of flywheels for them

    formula ford?

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    Moggy, how has the standar oil pump managed? Is the oilpressure high enough to your aplication? How hogh do you rev it?

    I'm going with the dry sump as well and I'm poundering wheter to go with two or three stage pump. I can't quite figuire out the usage of three stage pump since the original oil pump must be retained because it IS engine engine face. The oe pump internals can't be removed because the front oil seal would pop out do to oil pressure.

    In order to get 100% benefit out of the 3 stage pump there must be some custom parts to the original oil pump. Or else the crank will power the 3 stage dry sump pump and the original oil pump. Going aroind the original pump would lessen the power needed to pump oil. Right ?

    Any experiences anyone?
    Sorry I only just saw this post

    We have just under 60 psi when cold at tickover and decent pressure when warm. We run it on Millers oil as we have on previous rally cars and as Shawspeed recomended. We have not done much running with the engine as we have been building other parts of the car....all done now.

    My car runs a big volume of oil as it's dry sumped, so there is a big tank, loads of pipework, cooler and large remote filter...if anything the oil runs a bit too cool.

    Not sure if there would be any real benefit for me in the three stage pump.....all I would say is if you are going to get the PACE system (2 or 3 stage)...is plan A LONG LONG WAY in advance!

    Jon from Shawspeed was here at the weekend doing some settings on the ECU and we should have it all fully mapped as soon as it's back to the rollers.

    These engines would be really good in a MK1/2 escort rally car...anyone done that yet?

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    I tought I had. But lookin their selection again they looked quite interresting. Thank you I'll have to look in to them more closely.

    Thank again.
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Moggy View Post
    These engines would be really good in a MK1/2 escort rally car...anyone done that yet?
    I'm doing an Esscort mk1 race car with Sigma engine.

    The project is painfully slow untill my pinto is sold. Problem at hand seems to be my high goal in horsepower for I cant seem to find cams agrwssive enough for my cylinder head builder. But then again the plan is to go all out so custom cams seems to be the way.

    60 PSi when cold. Thats not bad. Is the oil pump standard or have you shimmed the pressure valve?

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    I am sure the pressure pump is standard but I will ask the engine builder to be sure.

    We use Racetech mechanical guages to measure everything on teh engine (water temp,fuel pressure,oil pressure,oil temp) so the readings will be accurate.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonus View Post
    You could also try - http://www.newman-cams.com/
    Haven't looked at those. But they seem to do quite basic cams. What I'm looking for is more on the lines of
    12+mm maximum lift 4 or + lift@ tdc and duration of 280 degrees 1mm+ valve clearance. This sort of lifts demand larger 31mm tappets. So quite radical and I seem to be out of options.

    Shawspeed doesn't see anything to be gained with larger lifters but I'll go with the Finnish head specialist.

    BPJ services offers cams RS3 very close to our demand so that could be a compromise between gains and costs.

    Both the BPJ and Shawspeed people have been more than helpful. Alltough I haven't made a single purchase yet! Thanks Paul and Jon.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Iirc there was an article about newman-cams in practical performance car magazine a few months ago and they do one offs iirc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonus View Post
    Iirc there was an article about newman-cams in practical performance car magazine a few months ago and they do one offs iirc
    Il Tempo Gigante!

    From one of the best motorsport films of all time! wasn't that film made be your country mate? Pinchcliffe Grand Prix?...we used to race (years ago) under the name Enrico Gassolini who was one of the drivers in the film.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    OFF TOPIC - That's correct Pinchcliffe Grand Prix - the most seen Norwegian movie at the cinema of all time iirc. There are som brilliant names in that movie, atleast in norwegian.

    http://www.caprino.no/movies/en/flaaklypa.asp

    The movie concerns Theodore Rimspoke and his two assistants, the optimistic Sonny Duckworth, the bird with the muffler, felt gumboots and indifferent morals, and Lambert, the somewhat pessimistic, melancholic and cautious hedgehog.

    The trio inhabit an airy and lush environment at the top of Pinchcliffe, where they earn a living repairing bicycles, making new inventions and manufacturing computerised flagpoles for the Swiss Navy! But then one day, dramatic events take hold! On TV they see that Theodore's former assistant, Rudolph Gore-Slimey, has swiped one of Theodore's great inventions, the super retometric distributor! ...a gadget that increases the corradial effect by 112%! With the aid of this, he has become a world champion Formula 1 driver, and is now challenging any contender to a race.

    In spite of Lambert's dire warnings, but inspired by Sonny's enthusiasm and pluck, and backed by Oil Sheikh Abdul Ben Bonanza's money, Theodore sets to work finishing the racing car Il Tempo Gigante - a fabulous construction with two engines, radar and its own blood bank.

    But before it is finished, it suffers vandalism at the hands of Gore-Slimey and his clairvoyant assistant, Eliaza Cassandra. This has disastrous results when they take their place on the starting line for the great international Grand Prix event in the town of Pinchcliffe. But the thrilling car race ends with a victory for our friends, thanks to Lambert's somewhat involuntary courage and cunning at a critical moment.

    This totally sensational victory and world fame do not, however, affect Theodore's, Sonny's and Lambert's life. Afterwards they are back at their daily chores, repairing bicycles, making new inventions and manufacturing computerised flagpoles for the Swiss Navy
    EDIT: No wonder we build so many top notch Escorts here in Norway
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Sonny Duckworth....a REAL hero!

    It's cold here but you must be freezing yoru knackers off up your neck of the woods!

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    It's not to bad - between -10 to +4 celsius. We've had 1000mm of snow the last few weeks, but today (just to make driving a bit more exciting) it's raining and the roads are ice covered. That means you could powerslide a lawn mower
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    -10! hope you're wearing you woolly underpants Theodore.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    sorry bys i gave you duff info about the 1.6 turbo motor that fords will be making soon. yes its still 1.6. it will do close to 50mpg, it got more pulling power than 1.8tdci motor... oh and it will have 185bhp....yes 185bhp....
    sorry about that.....

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    How soon and will it be available as a crate package out of interest?

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by BCA View Post
    How soon and will it be available as a crate package out of interest?
    No Idea. There does not seem to be many people working with these engines. I got most fo my stuff from Shawspeed (he knows the engines very well), the flywheel/clutch from Scholar and the dry sump (after a very long wait and wrong components) from 'Pace' (if ever a name was less apt!). I think BJP (?) do some stuff, but I have never dealt with them.

    Has anybody sourced a reasonable supplier for steel rods and forged pistons?

    These engines would be great in an Escort or Anglia, they are tiny and very light, with good power and torque.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    prototype engine is build and has run.. i wont like to say when there would be available.. credit cruch and all that... 12month?? maybe soon though. will keep you posted...

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    ive still got my one of these for sale, with bellhousing or without... cheap... would go loverly in an escort or anglia, as said, they would be brill for a trackday/road car
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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Moggy View Post
    Has anybody sourced a reasonable supplier for steel rods and forged pistons?
    Yes.

    I myself am going for the THS cons, wich I think are not available for now. Got their last set with very reasonable price. 275£ inc VAT delivered to finland

    Pumabuild can deliver ROSS racing pistons with desired bore and compression ratio. for 500-600£ / set. VAT?

    If I had not bought the cons allready I'd definetly go for the BPJ cons and piston set. Pistons go for 425£ but the cons I dont know. These modified Opel forged pistons need specfic cons to suit Zetec SE

    Moggy do you have standard bottom end?

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post

    Moggy do you have standard bottom end?
    Yes it is standard for now but with lighter flywheel. I am limited to 8000rpm at the moment.

    We went for the full spec head with solid lifters etc, so once we have a proper bottom end we can go up a bit with cams and revs. The engine is dry sumped with direct to head jenveys and bespoke exhaust so everything is in place for further upgrades...safely.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    So you're running on standard compression ratio ?

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    Yes that's correct...we didn't get the head skimmed at all because we will put forged pistons in eventually and increase the compression then.

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    Re: 1.6 Zetec SE engine

    I think the head can't be skimmed a whole lot. The valve seats are wery close to deck level. The higher compression is smart to do with pistons.

    So high CR should benefit you a lot. If the cams are designed to work with high compression ratio. Agressive cams need high CR to wor properly.

    I'd go for the BPJ set. One engine dry build is needed and some additional machining to pistons.

    Can I ask how much did the full spec head cost.

    My cylinder head is getting out of hand with the costs. approx 4500£

    I'm thinking of getting a quote from Shawspeed just to see the difference.

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    Yes agree re the compression. We had the standard pistons pocketed to take the cams.

    I don't reay know BJP although we did buy a belhousing off them, which we then chopped in half to mount to our transaxle....

    Shawspeed are about 1 mile from my house so it has been easy to deal with him. He deffinatey knows his stuff...sure others do too but he has helped us a lot and is a 'rally boy' so talks our language.

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    You can get cons and pistons from Jon but I think Jon's price is quite high. I don't doubt that theyre not worth it but still bit expensive.

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