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    Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Anybody See The Zetec I Saw A While Ago On Ebay Running A Distributer Off The Exhaust Cam Sprocket It Was In Some Sort Of Race Car If I Remember Any Body Know How To Do This Or Maybe You The Guy Who Did It ??? Thanks Any Info Appreciated Cheers Brian

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    You have a mail with some info...xmaswave

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Hi Svein No Got The Mail Ma Man Something Must Have Gone Wrong Regards Brian

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    HI SVEIN CAN YOU PUT IT UP AS A PICTURE ON HERE AND THE INFO YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE GREAT I GOT THE INFO ON MY E MAIL BUT WOULD NOT OPEN THE PICTURE REGARDS BRIAN

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Cant remember the source


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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    THANKS FOR THAT SVEIN xmaswaveLOOKS LIKE A BIT TO MUCH MACHINING FOR ME. THE ONE I SAW WAS MORE HOME MADE AND ROUGHER HA HA

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    the ignition a zetec is easy, coilpack and megajolt. going by the megasquirt i put together (easy), the jolt should be a sinch

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    I agree with Alladdin, why would you want to go to all that trouble?? You already have a pick up on the zetec to fire your spark, why not use it??
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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Carbed HCS and CVH engines using ESC ignition module should be bullet proof. Should be an easy find at the breakers in UK. xmaswave

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    This is a lot of work for a second rate ignition system. CPS + megajolt= job done.
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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    But its cheap.......... and some people will do anything to avoid paying for things....

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Quote Originally Posted by neilm View Post
    But its cheap.......... and some people will do anything to avoid paying for things....
    and im one of them !

    but it must be cheaper to go the £5 edis £5 coilpack £? m/jolt than spend money buying a s/h dizzy and the parts / machining to make this.?

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Quote Originally Posted by neilm View Post
    But its cheap.......... and some people will do anything to avoid paying for things....
    The price difference will be virtually nothing in parts, effort etc. Plus you will get better economy with a Megajolt so it will save you money in the long run.

    Why did the invent ECUs in the first place if dizzys are so good?
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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Perhaps this was done before Megajolt came along.

    I've heard of XE's being run like this aswell.

    Scrap yard dizzy, a bracket and a couple of alternator pulleys.


    One of those things someone probably did just to prove it could be done.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    quite common on the xe as the carlton? used a similar setup as std

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    HI ALL I WAS JUST SEEING WHOT THE CHEAP OPTION WAS FOR THE ZETEC AS IM A TIGHT SCOTTISH ARSE AND AM AN OLD C~~T AND I LIKE DIZZY'S COS I KNOW THEM AND GOT A LATHE IN ME GARAGE AND WANTED A CHEAP SPARK TO GO TO THE RIGHT PLACES ON THE ZETEC NOT LOOKING FOR POWER JUST A CHEAP ENGINE I CAN REPLACE EVERY 10 MILES WHEN I BLOW THEM UP HA HA YOU ALL TAKE CARE NOW REGARDS BRIAN O AND I LIKE THE SOUND OF THE FIESTA HCS KIT ANY INFO ON THAT WOULD BE GREAT CHEERS AGAIN BRIANxmaswave

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    well i have just finished my dizzy conversion and looks ok now so heres a pic

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    top effort. regardless of the merit of the method, you went for it and got it done

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    i was looking into doing this, but i am still undecided
    what sort of money does megajolt cost and can you get more power from megajolt?
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    Any small welding, fabrication, engineering, paint or mechanical works undertaken, please PM for details.

    It would seem my computer skills are not good enough !!

    thanks Guys !


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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Quote Originally Posted by angliaant View Post
    what sort of money does megajolt cost and can you get more power from megajolt?
    from £50 up i guess
    http://www.autosportlabs.com/megajolt-lite-p-39.html


    http://www.autosportlabs.com/

    more power fro m/j ? i would say yes if mapped well. remember theres no zetec dizzy, just a dizzy

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    okay cool thanks mate
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    It would seem my computer skills are not good enough !!

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    check out this bad boy with the same dizzy as mine

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Surely having the dizzy cap sitting directly above the exhaust like that will cause it to go very brittle and crack quickly.

    Could cause a problem with the number 4 lead too.

    Perhaps a better way to have gone would have been to mount the dizzy up on the cam cover ? something like the old mechanical fuel injection systems on the BDA's

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Hi neil you could be right but i saw this run at knockhill and the heat never stopped it then. It was awsome it is run in this puppy
    Last edited by pintopower; 10-07-2008 at 16:38.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Wonder if the story would have been the same with the inner wings in place and sat in traffic waiting to get into Ford Fair...

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    WELL I WONT BE GOING TO FORD FAIR WITH MINE WILL ONLY BE USED ON RURAL ROADS SO SHOULD BE FINE WITH HEAT SHEILD ETC ETC

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Quote Originally Posted by pintopower View Post
    check out this bad boy with the same dizzy as mine

    Hello there Pinto power

    I am doing this distributor conversion on a silvertop zetec at the moment, bought a new one of these dissies on ebay for £20 a few months ago lol.

    What distributor leads did you use?
    And could you help me out with the wiring?
    I have all the wiring just don't know what colour wires go to positive and negative on the coil and also earth.

    Any info would be a great help

    Nice work

    Thanks
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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    About the wiring for the distributor.


    I think it is wired as follows:

    Brown - Live side of coil

    Green - Neg side of coil

    Black - Earth?


    I am 100% sure about the brown and green but is the black earth?

    I presume the module needs an earth so black must be it, can anyone confirm this please?

    Jason

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    given the amount of zetecs available for £30 there must be a market for this ? im still sure the megajolt is the better way forward tho. i reckon a megajolt mapped and with harness for a zetec would sell well.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post
    given the amount of zetecs available for £30 there must be a market for this ? im still sure the megajolt is the better way forward tho. i reckon a megajolt mapped and with harness for a zetec would sell well.
    Yeah the megajolt is a good idea, would sell very well if it had a decent base map and wiring etc.

    I am doing this dissy conversion because I'm on a tight budjet, I had most of the bits already so it will only cost me about half the price of a megajolt.

    The other thing that put me off the megajolt system is that I don't know much about mapping and I don't know if a rolling road would even attempt to map it when I would have it all finnished.

    I am getting H&H to modify the advance curve in the dissy for me so that it will be 100% first time, no messing around with maps and no extra rolling road tuning expenses.

    Its a pity someone doesn't sell a megajolt ignition kit already tuned for different stages of tuned zetecs like:

    *std engine

    *std with carbs and exhaust

    *ported head - 285 cams - carbs and exhaust

    I would have bought a kit like that if it was available, tuning it myslef on a laptop does not appeal to me in the slightest.

    Downloading someone elses map and trying it out seems to be the only option with megajolt at the moment, its a big risk.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Megajolt is simple to use so i dont see a rr or yourself having any troubles with it. As for buying it with a preset map, every engine is different so each will need a slightly different map so i guess that may be why the maps just arent out there as its not that simple

    For the cost i dont think you can beat it, youll give £100+ for a dizzy to suit which is the cost of a mj and add in a few hours messing about making the loom for it and your done. The cps already has a mount to read from the flywheel.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post
    As for buying it with a preset map, every engine is different so each will need a slightly different map so i guess that may be why the maps just arent out there as its not that simple
    This post is in the "zetec" section, read my last post again.
    If there were maps for zetecs to suit different states of tune like the ones in my last post then megajolt would be perfect.
    As I said my dissy setup is going to cost me half the price of a megajolt.

    The megajolt system or any other crank trigger based ignition system cannot be optimally tuned without a roilling road session that is fact!
    You could diy tune it so that it runs ok but it won't be anywhere near a fully tuned map.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Quote Originally Posted by RWD fords rule View Post
    The megajolt system or any other crank trigger based ignition system cannot be optimally tuned without a roilling road session that is fact!
    You could diy tune it so that it runs ok but it won't be anywhere near a fully tuned map.
    And a dizzy has a fixed advance curve so you can do nothing with it at all, you have the advance curve Ford decided would best suit the car you got the dizzy from. Which usually involves 2.5 children, a dog and a caravan.

    Hence Sierras have such a shit first gear because the have to be able to pull a family of 5 and a caravan up a hill.

    At least with a megajolt an "off the shelf map" can have more mid range ignition mapped into it.

    All this said and done.

    You would have been better off getting the set up from an HCS Fiesta and using that, even though the advance curve is fixed like a dizzy it uses a wasted spark set up and its just wiring no engineering.

    Probably would have cost you £20 from a breakers maybe less.

    So in the budget ignition stakes this wins hands down.

    But cant knock the ingenuity to get a dizzy and coil going.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Sorry for offering my experiences with it, i saw h&h and assumed that you were buying one of their dizzys which i vaguely remember my brother giving over £120 for for his xe.

    They will make it so it has the advance at certain rpms of their choice, just as i or anyone else could if they were to make you a map, you are just trusting that h&h know what the zetec needs and are going to get it perfect without even testing it on your engine! The dizzy will make it run, so will a very rough base map on an ecu. The ecu will win hands down over a dizzy because there are more load points than one single one in a dizzy which is tuned to give you some grunt low down at part throttle and power high up at full throttle. I dont really see the point in going backwards on a modern engine but thats just my view.

    And yes it does need to go on the rollers to be optimally tuned....but thats something the dizzy will never give....maybe that could be classed as a base map too as it isnt perfect? Plus the first thing you do when you fit your dizzy will probably be to take it to the rollers for a set up anyway so for the sake of a small amount more money and some time scouring the internet for a map or even datalogging a working zetec (assuming its standard?) i feel it would be better in the long run but feel free to go the dizzy route if you think it will be better for you

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    I don't know why you guys are all against fitting a distributor
    You wouldn't mind a 200bhp pinto with a dissy would you?

    I'm doing this conversion on a budjet but I can tell you one thing this motor is going to run perfectly, just because people don't know how to tune distributors properly they give them a bad name.
    I will post a video on youtube when I'm finnished the conversion, and it will be running sweet.

    The hcs setup is crap because there is no fast advance built into the unit, if you blip the throttle the engine will respond slowly, like a lazy motor.
    That is all I am going to say about the alternative ignition setups I could have spent more money on.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Thats fair enough, im not against dizzys, its just since taking the plunge and playing with ecu's and the ammount the shitty megajolt transformed my xflow (both for pull through the rev range at different throttle positions as well as much much much better fuel economy), its just not really worth bothering with a dizzy to run the ignition if you are not sure whether to go dizzy or ign only ecu.

    A video on youtube hardly shows us how good a dizzy is at making the engine run sweet, but if you must il put one up of my zetec in my daily escort running sweet on the standard ecu

    And you can keep the 200bhp pinto on a dizzy, il take a standard duratec on tb's please

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    out of interest what did H + H charge to modify your dizzy inc return port ?

    i think people underestimate how good a "base map" can be on a known package ie in this case a std motor (isn't it?)
    weber seem to do alright with their off the shelf alpha kits ???

    and when the 22billion mundanos were in the showrooms they only had "base maps" afterall..............


    and yes i do applaud ingenuity also.
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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    Update

    I was looking at my motor and deciding where to mount the dissy, alternator and power steering pump for a fwd car.

    I don't have enough room to fit the dissy with the power steering, so it was a choice between power steering or dissy, dissy lost the battle lol

    I have just ordered a megajolt tps based system from autsport labs, it will be a new challenge and yes I will have more power and fuel econemy so it will be worth it.

    H&H were going to charge £25 for re mapping the new dissy.

    I'm fitting R1 carbs aswel so it will be a pretty good conversion.


    Where do you guys get your base maps?
    I found a few here, any good?

    http://www.cate1.co.uk/megajolt/mapping.php


    Might use the map for Zetec 1.8/2.0 std running on twin carbs.

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    God you came around pretty easily

    Trust me you wont look back, its the best £100? you will spend Get the loom and bits from a 1.1single point injection fiesta mk3.5. Try to get the whole loom cut off at the ecu plug/with the plug so you can cut it off. Then just unwrap it and take the loom for the bits you need, theres a couple of cables that are screened so its best to leave it as it is which is why you need the ecu plug so you can chop it as close to the plug as possible

    As for the map, try that one from the site and see how it feels. If it feels flat then just put in some more advance where it feels like it needs it Its trial and error until you get to a rollers for a proper map, but you can get it close enough to live with without it I take it the rest of the engine is standard 2.0?? If so go with the map you say

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    Re: Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

    I was thinking of making up my own loom, have an edis 4 and plug and most of the other plugs apart from the R1 tps plug which seems very hard to source without bying a full R1 loom.

    The engine is std slivertop 1.8 with 2.0 cams, R1 carbs, st170 manifold and 2.5" system with a huge silencer to keep the noise down, fitted some ARP rod bolts for a bit more reliability.
    Will set the rev limit to 7500, I think that's fairly safe.
    Engine has great compression, very low miles, lady owner burn out clutch and left it up after that lol.

    The megajolt limmiter sounds pretty unique on youtube , will be a bit of a laugh with the backfires lol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WASFTDLYEiwYouTube - Rev limiter flyby.

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