Silvertop Zetec 2.0 Running Distributer

[dangerousdave]

Seriously save yourself some time and aggro and get an engine bay loom from the fiesta i said. It makes for a much neater install and keeps the signal wires that need to be screened from interference screened as they should be Chop the wires you dont need when its still in the car and unplug the ones you need to keep (module, ecu, coil pack and cps sensor plugs) that way it comes out easy as pie then you just unwrap and take out the wires you dont need...theres a bag full

For the tps plug just use crimp connectors and do it that way, thats how my mate did it on his xe chevette on r1 carbs

Also i would say the exhaust is too big, you need a 2" or 2.25" max else you will probably lose power/torque all over. The standard exhaust for an 130 spec 1800 is 2" from memory and yours is essentially that with bike carbs.

Also im not sure if the new ones come with the rev limiter board so just check as you may have to buy it separate like i did..but mine is older and they arent dear! Also on the limiter they are disgustingly raw, my mates chevette regularly spits flames and in tunnels it sounds like someones got a machine gun its that loud heres a vid but its a bit cack, you can just see the fire but the noise is nothing compared to real life!

[RWD fords rule]

Ha ha that is loud

Yeah I ordered the limiter seperately, should hopefully fit inside the megajolt box.

What year would that fiesta and is it a 1.1 valencia "crossflow looking" engine?

The ST170 manifold is a large 2.5" diameter but my engine should make about 150bhp so it shouldn't be too far off.

The secondary pipe size of the manifold is 2" so a 2" system won't work with that, 2.25" would be optimal but it isn't available to me over here.

[dangerousdave]

Its x10 louder in real life and similar to the one in the vid except with added fire Yep it does it goes in a spare slot in the channeling and simple 4 wires for you with the latest board, mine was a bit of fiddling about but easy enough!

Yep thats the one, the shitty hcs things that sound like typewriters. Your looking for ones around an m plate. They have what looks like a carb but it has a single injector in the top instead. They are the late facelifted ones with different mirrors and darker dash and plastic trim inside and usually 4dr's

[RWD fords rule]

Does the 1.1 valencia fiesta have an edis 4 module and coil pack?

[neilm]

It has a module that looks just like an EDIS but its not an EDIS, it has something like ESC on it and has a vaccum pipe on it for a map sensor.

[dangerousdave]

Yes, the one i describe has everything you need on it as it runs the full edis 4 system. The module is on the bulkhead in the middleish with the plug at the top, its the easiest way to spot them in the breakers, the early ones which you cant use have the module in the same place but it has a red bit of plastic in the middle, the ones you want obviously have the black plastic edis 4 module and its mounted upside down iirc with the plug at the top of it

See this pic, this is the early one with the red cover so you know where to look for the module and which one NOT to get also the ecu plug will be in the top right of this pic (if it had one) in the tray bit where all the heater stuff is



Neil the single point ones are valencia too before the later multipoint ones which are endura i think?

[Svein]

From the Ford HSC training book

Several HSC options
Option 1 & 2 for carb engines and 3 + 4 for injection type engines.
Option 1 & 2 has a vacum tube connector

[Dan]

interesting thread this

i made a loom from scratch for my megajolt (i had to as the one that was on it was full of faults and not long enough), its not really very complex as there arnt many wires (my engine loom has 3 for the tps, 3 for the coil and 2 for the vr) which all goes through the bulkhead, then 2 to join the edis to ecu. the rest are optional and it will run without the tps.

the shielding isnt really a problem, just buy some decent cable and make sure its earthed properly... the loom ive done is all detachable(with heatshrunk connectors), with a nice bit that effectivly immobilises the sytem and takes seconds to remove/fit. i would post some pics only im a tard and forgot to take any, i do have all the sketches for the loom though, but they probably wouldnt make any sense to anyone else

i had mine mapped on a rolling road, which i'll be honest was done because i couldnt justify spending the amount i did on the engine and then trusting my mapping skills not to melt it but id say on a standard engine you dont have a lot to loose. the system is a bit clunky, and not the fastest to live map, although the new V4 may be better

[dangerousdave]

Make sure you run wire up the tps though otherwise you may aswell have gone with the dizzy as its effectively the same!

the shielding isnt really a problem, just buy some decent cable and make sure its earthed properly

What do you mean here dan, buy decent screened cable to make a loom with or just use normal good quality unscreened cable? If you meant the latter why did they screen it from the factory and why does the wiring diagrams say to screen the wires?

Oh and how much was it to get yours mapped, just so we can add that into the install cost???

[dazzle]

Just thought you might find these usefull

[Dan]

Make sure you run wire up the tps though otherwise you may aswell have gone with the dizzy as its effectively the same!

What do you mean here dan, buy decent screened cable to make a loom with or just use normal good quality unscreened cable? If you meant the latter why did they screen it from the factory and why does the wiring diagrams say to screen the wires?

Oh and how much was it to get yours mapped, just so we can add that into the install cost???

sorry wrote it a work so it was a bit short... yes obviously better to run with the tps. without it its just the same as a non vac dizzy (only with a better advance curve ) its just if you want to get the engine running it will do without it being connected.

yes on the bits that require screen cable to avoid interference you have to use it, (vr sensor and pip/saw connections) if you get hold of a loom and the wires are long enough then obviously its going to be good enough, but you can buy the cheap single braid stuff or super double screened individual stuff which is going to be better.. probably overkill but if it helps to make sure there is no interference i guess its worth doing all i know is however duboius my soldering and wiring knowledge is, it works

unfortunately my setup included messing around with the jets and the carbs for the most part.. id say no more than an hour for the megajolt itself.. and as i paid with parts there isnt really a price i could put on it but any rolling road will have an hourly rate to take a guess from

[mk2escyphil]

hi guys could somebody please tell me what that dizzy and fitting plate are off inthe above pics please

[mk2escyphil]

come on guys some one must know wat car the dizzy came from that used in the pic on the zetec motor

[RWD fords rule]

hi guys could somebody please tell me what that dizzy and fitting plate are off inthe above pics please

The distributor is off the following vaux and opel cars:

Carlton 1.8 1982 on

Manta 1.8 s 1982-1987

Rekord 1.8 s 1982-1986

I have a new dissy, new belt and wiring if you are interested.

[RWD fords rule]

I couldn't find any fiesta's with edis, they all had the crapy red esc module.

Not enough scrap yards over here, most have been shut down, most likely by health and safety.


I will be doing the wiring myself, shouldn't be too dificult if I take my time and do it right with soldered joints and shrinkwrap.

Where do I get this Screened cable from and is it only the TPS and crank sensor that needs to be screened?

Does screened cable just have a protective "metalic casing" surounding the wires and this "casing" goes to earth?

Would something like this suit my needs?

Where is the best place to get normal automotive or screened cable from?

Jason.

[dangerousdave]

Its just another wrap of wire which you earth out to create a protective field against interference

If you look at vehicle wiring products site im sure they list the 2 core stuff you need

[alladdin]

i would say this. if its man enough, tho you dont need much current capacity as its signal not load cable.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=132

[neilm]

I couldn't find any fiesta's with edis, they all had the crapy red esc module.

Unless you are running MegaJolt or MegaSquirt then its the crappy ESC Modules you want !!!

All an Edis will do will give you a fixed 10 degrees of advance in limp home mode.

[dangerousdave]

He is going megajolt so needs the edis 4 stuff neil

[neilm]

He is going megajolt so needs the edis 4 stuff neil

Ah right cool.


Well it would be worth re-visiting all those fiestas and nicking the ESC modules off them, I'd give you a £5 a time for them

[RWD fords rule]

Its just another wrap of wire which you earth out to create a protective field against interference

If you look at vehicle wiring products site im sure they list the 2 core stuff you need

The vehical wiring products place is the dogs b's for all wiring parts, great prices too.

Many thanks dangerousdave

[dangerousdave]

No probs mate, if you ever need anything electrical look there

They do some nice relay and fuse holders that slot toegether which i came across the other week too

[andy1]

HI ALL I WAS JUST SEEING WHOT THE CHEAP OPTION WAS FOR THE ZETEC AS IM A TIGHT SCOTTISH ARSE AND AM AN OLD C~~T AND I LIKE DIZZY'S COS I KNOW THEM AND GOT A LATHE IN ME GARAGE AND WANTED A CHEAP SPARK TO GO TO THE RIGHT PLACES ON THE ZETEC NOT LOOKING FOR POWER JUST A CHEAP ENGINE I CAN REPLACE EVERY 10 MILES WHEN I BLOW THEM UP HA HA YOU ALL TAKE CARE NOW REGARDS BRIAN O AND I LIKE THE SOUND OF THE FIESTA HCS KIT ANY INFO ON THAT WOULD BE GREAT CHEERS AGAIN BRIANxmaswave

Hi,just bin looking at ur dizzy mod and was wandering where you got the parts from.i am currently putting a zetec into my mk2 escort and would like to run with a distributer as i think it would be simpler.cheers andy

[GAZZAMK2]

Hi,just bin looking at ur dizzy mod and was wandering where you got the parts from.i am currently putting a zetec into my mk2 escort and would like to run with a distributer as i think it would be simpler.cheers andy

You should have saved your breath Dave!!!!!!!!!!

[GAZZAMK2]

oops - Sorry about that, forgot, banter free zone!

Just have a read thru the whole thread andy and check out the info these chaps have lavished upon us, even the guy who made the dizzy drive off the end of his ex cam ended up junking it.

[pintopower]

yea that was me how did you know i junked it ?? cheers

[capri s]

i did this to my blacktop with no probs gives good mpg plenty of poke when u need it.
sod all good in a rwd tho
i used a 1.6 mfi dizzy the one on the head just what i used to check stuff

[robrs2]

Just like a cvh lol

[capri s]

thats the one. why bin it when u can re use it

[pintopower]

THATS NEAT THAT IS LIKE YOU SAY NO GOOD FOR RWD APPLICATION COOL THINKING

[loop]

Hello!
From what is the short toothed belt?

I like challenge and building things and I allready built a Megasquirt

[moggie_jockey]

I have installed a Zetec 2.0 with two DCOE's into my Morgan 4/4 and am currently using an ignition only ecu. I would like to convert to a distributor like "Capri S" has done. It looks like a CVH unit, but can you give me some guidlines regarding the machine work necessary to do the installation? I will greatly appreciate any information you can supply. Many thanks, Robert, Longview, WA

[Toddington]

Hi guys i have a sierra with a cvh running and edis would this be ok to run a zetec on twin 40s i know megajolt are good

[rwd2ltrfiesta]

Edis is if you gunna use an ecu aswel , but if your after the cheep ecu idea then the esc is what you need,

[Old Skool]

@ capri s

Just have some questions for you please:
1.How come it wont work on rear wheel drive-because of space im assuming??
2.Will this mod work with a 2 litre silvertop engine?
3.what plug leads did you use
4.how did the engine run?

[Abizai]

can i use a vw bug distributor to do this conversion?

[tjet]

The distributor is off the following vaux and opel cars:

Carlton 1.8 1982 on

Manta 1.8 s 1982-1987

Rekord 1.8 s 1982-1986

I have a new dissy, new belt and wiring if you are interested.

I know this is an old post, but do you still have that dizzy for sale?

[tjet]

Also, is the distributor mount bracket off the cars listed above?

Cheers

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[moggie_jockey]

This is what I want to do. What distributer? Module? Prefer a plain, points distributer without need of module. Can that be done? How did you seal the cam cover to the distributer? 1961 Morgan, 2.0 Zetec, 2 Weber DCOE 40's, Ford T9 with Quaife CR gears. Currently using third rate ignition computer using cps and no mapping capability. All help very much appreciated. rwhauge@comcast.net

[Graham]

This is what I want to do. What distributer? Module? Prefer a plain, points distributer without need of module. Can that be done? How did you seal the cam cover to the distributer? 1961 Morgan, 2.0 Zetec, 2 Weber DCOE 40's, Ford T9 with Quaife CR gears. Currently using third rate ignition computer using cps and no mapping capability. All help very much appreciated. rwhauge@comcast.net

you will be lucky to find a set up like that any more, it was from 1980's RWD 1.8 Opel manta and vauxhall carlton, the 1.8 wasnt the most common engine and 99.9% the cars they were fitted to have long since been scrapped. the alloy bracket that the distributor is attached to is a vauxhall/opel part and has been adapted to fit the ford engine, as was the small toothed drive gear on the end of the camshaft