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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    whats the difference ?????

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by splat matt View Post
    whats the difference ?????
    if you just order 2.0 pistons you get high comp, if you order transit your get low comp, if you gave a reconditioner a piston as a patern he probably ordered what you gave him which is likely to be a low comp transit one

    low comp pistons have a lower compression height than high comp pistons, in otherwords high comp are taller, the difference is about 1.3mm so its not obvious,

    with the piston in the block at tdc a high comp piston will be about .5mm away from being flush with the top of the block and a low comp nearly 2mm away from flush
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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    is there owt you dont know about pinto's?????? from wot you say it looks like ive got hi comp pistons, i'm assuming all the blocks are the same other than cylinder bore sizes, mines a 205 block, so the pistons ive bought will be ok to use?????. i got the pistons from a firm called Trecchi in Chesterfield, they sell a lot of pinto and x flow engine parts..pistons, rings, bearing shells etc, most seem to be AE make. what carbs did you put on 'Dave' the engine?

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Interesting thread.

    Very similar to my Capri's first pinto.
    high cr, low squish, mild cam, flowed head, aiming for alot's of torq.

    There's no point using the original efi system, whether it runs lean all the way with no good punch or by adjusting the maf and fuel pressure it will make a good power, however knackering the mpg.

    With the stock untouched efi my engine made 115hp / 180nm of torq, Afr was good for cruise and idle conditions but on wot it was dangerously lean, loosening the maf's spring a bit and raising the fuel pressure it made 140hp 200nm+ and pulled like a train, however this knackered the mpg since there's no closed loop control.

    I've fiddled around with the stock injection systems, raising rate fuel reg's and all sorts of injection shit and in my opinion there are two ways; Go allout carb's, forget mpg's OR go aftermarket fuel injection, get great power and drivability and great mpg.

    My ex 200sx was pushing 400hp, and did sub 7litre's/100km on highway cruise. autronic sm4 ecu, 850cc injectors.

    If I did an economy pinto, I would get stock, good efi engine and stick an aftermarket ecu in it.

    just my 2cents
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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by splat matt View Post
    is there owt you dont know about pinto's?????? f
    Don't think so. The WIKI for pinto's?

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by splat matt View Post
    what carbs did you put on 'Dave' the engine?
    Twin 40 Dellortos

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Dave, what chokes and jetting did you have or have you go in your twin dellorto 40's as i'm intending to have same on my 2.0l pinto

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    No idea sorry.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by splat matt View Post
    Dave, what chokes and jetting did you have or have you go in your twin dellorto 40's as i'm intending to have same on my 2.0l pinto
    if your looking for power you should be thinking about using 45's not 40's

    i have the jet setting dellorto used to recomend which for 40's on an rs2000

    32 chokes
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    7777.5 emulsion tube

    but even dellorto used to recomend using 45's on a std engine

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Just sat here and read this whole artical, couldn't walk away!!! awesome
    Bought a 1986 2.0l capri 2 years ago and have been doing it up for since.
    Perfect body resprayed in its original colour. Mint 2.0s seats and door card. the usual manifold exhaust and KN filter. I've also had it coverted to LPG a year and a half ago saved loads of pennys since because of it.. just switch back to petrol when i want a bit more power.
    I have a couple of questions that you may be able to answer.

    Can I mate an unleaded transit head on to my block and change the cam to give better power gains?

    What jets might I need to convert a 38dgas to a 2.0l application

    Thanks
    P.s awsome thread again!!!

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    transit head is the same as a car head so swapping to a transit head on its own wont give any power gain.

    38dgas will work ok on a pinto, just enlarge the main jets to 150 to 155

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Wow Graham - that was an impressive read

    I have a 205 block pinto that needs a rebuild and mild tuning too (FR32 cam, 38 DGAS, "group 1" inlets, and 93mm pistons). This is going in my 1964 Taunus Transit ex firebrigade van.
    You can read about the restoration here (just started) if interested:
    http://retrorides.proboards86.com/in...y&thread=55972

    I wanted to do the engine work myself, but reading this thread, i was a bit surpriced by the amount of work and skill that goes into it.
    Sadly i live in Denmark, but if that wasn´t the case i would definately send you a pm to ask you nicely, if you were interested in doing another

    Keep up the good work mate
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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    got a problem

    i builded my 205 block its together, jump started it because standard starter motor won't turn it around.

    in the red circle was there a bolt fitted? because, mine leak lots of oil, we pulled the car like 500 metre and lost the whole sump ( 4 liter or so)



    We were thinking if there was a bolt in that hole the oil comes from there. butt...


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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    No bolt there on my engine. Have you an oil cooler?

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by Arieke View Post


    That is where the oil filter goes, no wonder it pissed out all its oil................


    I just couldn't resist


    Seriously, that M8 hole below the oil filter is just a blind hole, no oil comes out of there, however if it was drilled too deep it could leak all the oil out that hole becaue there is a main oil gallery just below it.

    Block the hole with an M8 bolt, washer and plenty of threadlock to seal the threads up.

    Just aswel it didn't start or you might not have noticed the leak and properly killed your engine.


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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    it isnt a M8 hole, but it was dark yesterday, and bit mad. Don't i poked with a screwdriver and its still oke.

    The oil filter is on but i'm going to take it off and remount it. Hopefully its that.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    that hole is M10 on 205 blocks m8 on pre 205,

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by graham bahr View Post
    that hole is M10 on 205 blocks m8 on pre 205,
    You know your holes Graham ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miniliteman View Post
    You know your holes Graham ....

    hehe


    (it was M12) M10 i cant screw in

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Did you find where the oil came from

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    That hole, regardless of what size it is could be very handy for an oil accumulator sitting down beside the sump.
    If it was drilled and tapped a bit bigger it could be ideal.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by Group4_Mark2 View Post
    Did you find where the oil came from

    I did, the fucking idiot who put the oil filter on, forgot to place the rubber between the filter and block. If i see that guy i bash him.

    How stupid can you be???




    It stopped leaking so that was the problem...

    But i cant get the engine to start on the starter motor. (standard starter motor) and i have a CR from 11.5 When i jused the starter with 24V. Then it does 1000 rpm (with no spark plugs) but when the spark plugs in, the engine does (300rpm) But I dont think thats enough to start the engine. I think i need to buy a edge starter engine from burton or so. But not sure ...
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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    You need a high torque starter, any gear reduced starter will do the job perfectly well.

    Don't bother with the burton power starter, burton are expensive for some parts, they buy the majority of their bits from other companies and sell them on far a nice profit.


    Have a look at this starter, £54 cheaper at only £125.


    Don't let idiots work on your car anymore lol


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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by RWD fords rule View Post
    You need a high torque starter, any gear reduced starter will do the job perfectly well.

    Don't bother with the burton power starter, burton are expensive for some parts, they buy the majority of their bits from other companies and sell them on far a nice profit.


    Have a look at this starter, £54 cheaper at only £125.


    Don't let idiots work on your car anymore lol


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    They won't be working anymore on my car.

    That starter looks good, and to good to be true. I bit scared because i live in belgium and i have to send it up. I can't go look at the starter engine if it actually fits. It looks oke, but ...

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by Arieke View Post
    That starter looks good, and to good to be true.
    Any gear reduced starter is more than able to start your engine, and its not too good to be true.
    Move your starter over to the intake side of the engine if you have enough room to clear the steeing shaft on your tina.
    Use an alloy bellhousing with starter mount on both sides or a std right hand drive bellhousing.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by Arieke View Post
    That starter looks good, and to good to be true. I bit scared because i live in belgium and i have to send it up. I can't go look at the starter engine if it actually fits. It looks oke, but ...
    Just get a Bosch reduction startermotor from a Sierra or Scorpio. These are 1.4 kW, the std starter is just 0.7 PS (= 0.5 kW). The reduction starters are smaller and use less current.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by Miniliteman View Post
    Just get a Bosch reduction startermotor from a Sierra or Scorpio. These are 1.4 kW, the std starter is just 0.7 PS (= 0.5 kW). The reduction starters are smaller and use less current.
    Is this the 1.4kw starter you are talking about?

    I have one of those, didn't realise it was gear reduced, lucky bonus for me.

    What model car and engine size do they normally come on?

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by RWD fords rule View Post
    Is this the 1.4kw starter you are talking about?

    I have one of those, didn't realise it was gear reduced, lucky bonus for me.

    What model car and engine size do they normally come on?

    Jason

    will they do the job?, then i look for those as spare one. I got one from ebay. Should arrive thursday or so.

    (have little movie on http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=138345
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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by RWD fords rule View Post
    Is this the 1.4kw starter you are talking about?

    I have one of those, didn't realise it was gear reduced, lucky bonus for me.

    What model car and engine size do they normally come on?

    Jason
    Yes that's the one (RHD-version). They say it's made from selective Bosch parts but it's an off-the-shelf item.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Do you know what model car those starters originally came on?
    Might be possible to get it a lot cheaper than £128.

    Thanks

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Scorpio and sierra pinto engines.

    Think mostly scorpios

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Just pulled my head apart to try some of the porting ive learned in this thread.

    Wondering if anyone has a link to head casting numbers to identify where it came from?

    As im not sure of its origins i dont know if it has hardened valve seats for unleaded. Are they easy to see? Havent cleaned it up for a close look yet.

    Seems i have after market cam followers but actual cam im not sure on. has a bunch of markings on the end but nothing i can identify so far.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Just read through this thread and what a cracker :-)

    I have a similar engine in my Westfield - it originally came out of an EFI Sierra that I had modded - nearly the same spec (Piper OHC134 injection cam, ported head) but I didn't have group 1 valve and it was bored to 2.1. The ECU was chipped. Made 111bhp/120ft/lb at the wheels - 143 calculated flywheel. Peak power was 5900rpm and peak torque 2900rpm.



    Then I stripped it down for a visual inspection before converting it to Megasquirt and GSXR throttle bodies. Also did a little work on the valves and head. Made 131bhp/145ft/lb at the wheels - calculated 169 flywheel. Peak power was a little later at 6100rpm and torque an 3200rpm - lovely linear power line and flat topped torque curve from 2500rpm to 5500rpm there is always at least 135ft/lb at the wheels.

    Build thread is here*:- http://web.bethere.co.uk/amigafan200...neexhaust.html

    *There are a few errors - most notably piston ring gaps - I mixed up inches and mm on the write up (but not the build else it would be like NASA all over again!) so double check anything you see mentioned!



    The best bit is I'm getting a shade over 45mpg in the lightweight westfield, so I can concur the "caravan" cams are a great thing to put in a Pinto.

    Again, great read and thanks for taking thetime to post.
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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by graham bahr View Post
    if your looking for power you should be thinking about using 45's not 40's

    i have the jet setting dellorto used to recomend which for 40's on an rs2000

    32 chokes
    135main
    200 air
    50 idle
    40 pump
    7777.5 emulsion tube

    but even dellorto used to recomend using 45's on a std engine

    Do you happen to have the jet setting for 45 dellortos Graham, on a 2litre pinto with very mild cam ported head and standard valves, Great thread by the way
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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    I have been on another long run out today (this week I have done over 1000 miles in my Escort).
    I went down to Milton Keynes, and on the way I clocked the mpg by brimming the tank and then brimming it again 200 miles later. The first time I did it was with fairly timid driving TBH, but that wore off ages ago.
    I guess 2/3rds was motorway driving at 75-80 average, that includes the compulsory full race start from the M6 toll booths . The rest was enthusiastic roundabout driving (have you ever been to Milton Keynes? )

    It did 31.9mpg which is pretty impressive in my book.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    good stuff especially considering its on sidedrafts i can only wonder what it could do if it were properly jetted and set up.............

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    It has been on my "to do" list for a good while Graham.
    It is going on some rollers in a fortnight, so we can go from there.
    To be honest, I didn't know of any rolling roads around here, but the guys from Hawarden seem to be having good write ups lately.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    of course there is always the risk it actually is running lean and therefore on the edge of detonation and may give worse ecomony rejetted etc

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Quote Originally Posted by jorgo View Post
    Just pulled my head apart to try some of the porting ive learned in this thread.

    Wondering if anyone has a link to head casting numbers to identify where it came from?

    As im not sure of its origins i dont know if it has hardened valve seats for unleaded. Are they easy to see? Havent cleaned it up for a close look yet.

    Seems i have after market cam followers but actual cam im not sure on. has a bunch of markings on the end but nothing i can identify so far.

    Aaron
    Look above and to the left of no4 spark there should be a stamp on it. R is for unleaded there may be others, have got one with I stamped on with hasn't got inserts in.

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    Re: budget economy pinto, 32.6 mpg on sidedrafts, a pinto named dave

    Hey Dave that dyno session should of well been and gone any results for all those watching this thread and waiting

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