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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Blah Blah Blah pub talk is cheap.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    is there any way to upload the video of the engine on the dyno? Only other info I've got on it is, cast block, 80.75 stroke and 93mm bore (2194cc so I stand corrected!)

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    so its actually a 2.2, do we need to start the thread all over again, because you wanted to know about a 2.1???

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    https://youtu.be/jUzwcqfn50U
    Link to the engine on the dyno

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    so its actually a 2.2, do we need to start the thread all over again, because you wanted to know about a 2.1???
    This thread hasn't served the purpose it was started for as no one has even suggest any other engines, they've just argued over the legitimacy of this 1 engine so I don't think it really matters anymore!

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Rustyspoon View Post
    This thread hasn't served the purpose it was started for as no one has even suggest any other engines, they've just argued over the legitimacy of this 1 engine so I don't think it really matters anymore!
    the thing is you came straight in with what is a pretty unbelievable claim so what do you expect?

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Rustyspoon View Post
    This thread hasn't served the purpose it was started for as no one has even suggest any other engines, they've just argued over the legitimacy of this 1 engine so I don't think it really matters anymore!
    the thing is you came straight in with what is a pretty unbelievable claim so what do you expect?

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    I hope this video can come in use to proving it's the real deal

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Rustyspoon View Post
    I hope this video can come in use to proving it's the real deal
    to be honest it doesnt prove much!
    it could still be running on rocket fuel for all we know, i dont believe that 256bhp is impossible from 2.2, just highly unlikely especially on pump fuel, but show some specs on the cam AND a set of airflow figures for the head and you might make a believer out of me

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    to be honest it doesnt prove much!
    it could still be running on rocket fuel for all we know, i dont believe that 256bhp is impossible from 2.2, just highly unlikely especially on pump fuel, but show some specs on the cam AND a set of airflow figures for the head and you might make a believer out of me
    Jeeze your a hard man to please! I'm not saying Jon Wood can walk on water or feed the 5000 with a bread stick and a tin of tuna!

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Honestly your probably best calling him and having a chat, he's a decent bloke and very very knowledgeable.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Rustyspoon View Post
    Jeeze your a hard man to please! I'm not saying Jon Wood can walk on water or feed the 5000 with a bread stick and a tin of tuna!
    you on commission for selling this guys engines or something?

    Honestly your probably best calling him and having a chat, he's a decent bloke and very very knowledgeable.
    why would i do that? im not looking to buy an engine from him, but it seems your selling?

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    you on commission for selling this guys engines or something?



    why would i do that? im not looking to buy an engine from him, but it seems your selling?

    Your the one who wants every last detail about this engine which I can't give to you, so why not speak to him? Like I said, this thread hasn't served it's purpose, which was to find big power pinto's, NOT scrutinies one engines existence or sell an engine that's NOT up for sale!

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Correct me if I am wrong but does n't the dyno data say the engine has max torque 172 lb ft and 247 bhp, the figures I have worked out bear that in mind.

    It seems a very strong engine to have near flat torque curve from 6.000 rpm to 7.500 rpm which is very unusual for any Pinto. For it to be still making power at 8.500 is even more remarkable.

    I would certainly want to know what head is flowing that much CFM to produce those figures, is it a modified cast head with down drought ports or is it a specially cast alloy head. More information would be appreciated instead of a lot squabbling.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    well if all you wanted was find a big power pinto it seems you have, the only reason for asking for so many details is the numbers are unfeasibly large, smells of BS to most of us, but you seem so certain its correct and above board, despite not having a shred of evidence its actually 100% for real it comes across you have a vested interest.

    im sure the engine builder is a nice chap, i am a nice chap too but that doesn't mean i want every tom dick or harry phoning me just because some other bloke on the web thinks it a good idea!

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    OK mate, fair enough. Once more information is available I'll post it up.
    Forest_rallying, it's a standard cast head, not alloy.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    It seems you do have info on this engine, you add more with every post, either youre making it up as you go along, or playing a game, if you do have info you may have saved alot of piss taking if you just added it in the first post.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    The Dyno Sheet is a complete fake.
    If you are calculated with the right formula the values do not go up.
    The international values are KW (multiplied by 1.36 is HP) and NM.
    The formula for the calculation is: P = M * n / 9550

    P = power in kW
    M = torque in Nm
    n = speed in 1 / min

    These are the approximate values from the sheet(I hope I am correct)
    REV KW NM HP


    5500 80 140 109
    6000 109 175 149
    6500 119 175 161
    7000 128 175 174
    7500 133 170 181
    I hope this info helps

    This could be a correct measurement
    Revs KW NM HP


    5000 123 235 167
    5500 133 231 181
    6000 145 231 197
    6500 153 225 208
    7000 160 218 218
    7500 165 210 224
    7700 170 211 231
    Last edited by Escort TC; 03-10-2017 at 09:04.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    It seems you do have info on this engine, you add more with every post, either youre making it up as you go along, or playing a game, if you do have info you may have saved alot of piss taking if you just added it in the first post.
    I'm asking Jon the questions as they come in. It's not my engine and I can only give the information that he gives me.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    I smell porkies. Theres nothing on this dyno sheet that says PInto

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    I smell porkies. Theres nothing on this dyno sheet that says PInto
    Haven't you watched the YouTube video link I put up?

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    I just did and the title of the video is ''2.2 Pinto'' so as i posted earlier, its a long stroke Pinto, not a 2.1 as you started the post by saying, not that 110cc would make a huge difference, at least we are starting to get more info though, this is like a game of Cluedo! Also, how come the first dyno sheet shows 256hp and the second 247, looks to be slightly different to the pinto fitted in the car also.
    Last edited by Erikmex; 03-10-2017 at 16:35.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    I said in an earlier post I got it wrong as it's actually 2194cc. I uploaded the video to YouTube as it couldn't be done on here and it isn't publicly available either, only available through the link.

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    Re: 256 bhp 2.1 pinto????

    Hello,

    find this old thread,

    talk with John about this engine and i know the spec of it,
    theres someting different to my engines that shows-----theres many ways to Rom
    i build much pintos in my life and for sure....at the moment i say 245+ hp from 2,0 is possible.
    but not with Ikea Parts-----
    a Ikea engine comes to 190 hp....
    the rest is exact knowing what to do,
    hours of hours dyno work,
    lot of blood and money


    i try much in the years,some knows my old videos of my green hill climb Mk1 Escort.
    the strongest Steel valve Pinto i build was 236 hp, high rev 8400,reliable over years.
    i find on much dyno hours a nice air horn shape that alone give 5hp,the second big step
    come from the exhaust manifold,it give no big tourque drop before 8000,
    it run with 200 nm at 8000,
    all manifolds before give little more tourque(5-8) in the area 5000-7000,but then all they begin massive to drop.
    so for a useable race engine you must look at the "drive area"
    if loose 7 nm at 7000,but have+10 7500 +20 at 8000----give a simple higher power curve for drive area,
    we named it power integral which is a simple calculation from a rev to power over rev
    and for a good calculation of useable power integral ever use wheel power,
    then you can set the best shift rev for every gear--simple basics to become faster than others


    this year i start try Titan valves and do this with new valve Diameters (46/37)
    parallel i test a few of cam Grinds (GTS7/HT1/HT1 opt/CatCams special/Ph6)
    all i try with lash cap long differents-with 2 custom made Exhaust (12-34/2/1) (14-23/2/1)
    ever in look of the best useable race engine.
    my engines run ever on pad follower,no roller
    for my experiance 13mm valve lift is the optimum,
    more must you control with valve springs and there is a negativ circle in valve lift to valve spring pressure,
    swinging cams is the result of to much valve spring load,
    and thats the biggest advantage of the Titan valves,
    you can run (child) spring loads and the drag in the valvetrain at high revs gets really down,
    so the engine rev easily higher-more power is the result.
    the mods giv around 15 nm+ at 8000
    which is a nice number.

    the power of a engine is ever a puzzle,a puzzle of Power parts/modds for reliable
    every engine builder create his own puzzle parts,and work these out,
    some puzzle parts are not knows for everyone
    and there are basics puzzle parts for high power engines,
    all parts must "work" together at the same rev area you want to see from the engine,
    easy sign is a very loud clear induction noise in the power rev area,
    if you often work at dyno you hear the power and tourque curve drops

    if the ask come to flow figures,
    never have a head from me on flow bench,
    ever work after my feeling,
    the pinto heads i machine in the inlet to 38mm with different angles, attention to a round port shape to the valve seat
    my favorites heads are the latest 2.0 carb one(84hm stamped,note: it give 84hm 1600 emax heads to,these shit)
    and late (after 1982) 1600 heads (stamped 70hm in my mind only to find in late capris)
    the late heads don t crack-all cracked heads i see are 2.0 70m ones....

    oh,
    back to the Thread:
    whats possible on 2,1 ? don t know exact------mostly build 1998ccm engines because the german rules
    have a little brother of the titan valve engine 93mm bored (steel valves in 46/37,this was the earliest test head) in my street Cortina Mk4,
    its on GTs7 -lash caped all to 13mm valve lift,4,7mm lift in TDC adjusted)Custom made Exhaust,
    48 idf carbs(cheap chinese Items)/Air cleaner what is sure not the finest induction side for revs over 7000
    tourque drops a 7200
    but final it give 224 hp 7600/222 nm 5700 what is a relly nice sleeper for the street


    interesting i read in some threads the head as the biggest power basic at the pinto:

    i try following:
    take a engine with 210 hp around,(48 carbs,big valve,HT1,all mods,good exhaust)
    take a std injection head,decked it 2mm,modify ports inlet only Valve area,exhaust little more attention) with std valves,
    take all the parts from the 210 hp engine(cam/valve springs)inlet/exhaust
    dyno it....it made 179 hp on std valves,thats 30 hp to a full modd big valve head .Power come 500 revs earlier,which made it to a nice "street "engine

    my experiance is.....if you have a good power puzzle construct,
    you can do some little mistakes and the power drops not massive-you have a useable engine too



    so now can everybody say my numbers are bullshit,
    thats ok,see you at the race Track
    i respect everone....





    Stefan

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