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    ditto

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Done.1015 when I signed.

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    1300 but thats nothing - 100,000 needed !

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Sorry but if you have changed everything else , what the hell does the no plate matter. Its not the historic vehicle the no plate says it is....

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    i like the format and the black and silver colouring, id be gutted if i had to stick a normal crappy plate on my pride and joy

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    Done it!! 2581 now

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    I don't believe there are 10,000 modified 'classic' car owners in the UK so although it may make you feel like you are 'taking it to da man', its unlikely to succeed or be discussed! I think i'll just keep taxing and MOT'ing and claim nothing - can't touch me then!

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    Who says they have to be classic car owners, could be enthusiasts. There are more than you think, lots of MG,Austin/ Morris out there aswell as Ford people. When it boils down to it at the mo is signatures.

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Yes there are plenty but as it doesn't apply to the purists they are to ones unlikely to sign due to the 'riff raff' modified brigade.

    Quite amusing really, we have a petition to ask nicely and America have their 2nd Amendment Gun Rights to curb Government excesses if they don't like it!

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    2877 now!!!

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    I think i'll just keep taxing and MOT'ing and claim nothing - can't touch me then!
    I'd be quite happy to tax it and as for the mot part I would rather do that anyway.. But either way I dont want to lose the number plate....

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    Done.....3010

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    Done 3281. Katana why would it be un reasonable to have 10,000 classic car owners in the uk? There's probably more classics and vintage cars around than most people including myself actually think there is
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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Quote Originally Posted by cosworth4door View Post
    Done 3281. Katana why would it be un reasonable to have 10,000 classic car owners in the uk? There's probably more classics and vintage cars around than most people including myself actually think there is
    This legislation only directly affects older cars that are massively altered away from their original designs with their owners trying to claim they are 'historic' and worthy of no tax / no MOT status. I don't believe the true 'classic car' owners want their status to be watered down with vehicles that aren't classic just by dint of their age, and so unlikely to sign up IMO. I'd love to be proved wrong, but the cynic in me just feels its a futile exercise and it'll identify likely numbers to persecute.

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    This legislation only directly affects older cars that are massively altered away from their original designs with their owners trying to claim they are 'historic' and worthy of no tax / no MOT status. I don't believe the true 'classic car' owners want their status to be watered down with vehicles that aren't classic just by dint of their age, and so unlikely to sign up IMO. I'd love to be proved wrong, but the cynic in me just feels its a futile exercise and it'll identify likely numbers to persecute.
    Ok, but say that you buy a Mk2 Escort, fully convert it to a Grp4 Spec replica/tribute car, you would be happy to then have this put onto a Q plate? Even though it is done to the same or better spec than an original Boreham car?

    Next you'll be setting up a petition to have all SA imports put on a Q plate because it may water down a true British Classic

    Done, voted, bigm21 get it put on Retro Rides and others too, will very easily go past 10k!

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    This legislation only directly affects older cars that are massively altered away from their original designs with their owners trying to claim they are 'historic' and worthy of no tax / no MOT status. I don't believe the true 'classic car' owners want their status to be watered down with vehicles that aren't classic just by dint of their age, and so unlikely to sign up IMO. I'd love to be proved wrong, but the cynic in me just feels its a futile exercise and it'll identify likely numbers to persecute.
    Agree, waste of time, folk just wont declare mods, personally i just insure my car with competition road legal insurance with mods declared and an agreed valuation, ill be keeping my current reg. Introducing new laws that cost to implement wont be overturned with a few online signatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    This legislation only directly affects older cars that are massively altered away from their original designs with their owners trying to claim they are 'historic' and worthy of no tax / no MOT status. I don't believe the true 'classic car' owners want their status to be watered down with vehicles that aren't classic just by dint of their age, and so unlikely to sign up IMO. I'd love to be proved wrong, but the cynic in me just feels its a futile exercise and it'll identify likely numbers to persecute.
    Agree, waste of time, folk just wont declare mods, personally i just insure my car with competition road legal insurance with mods declared and an agreed valuation, ill be keeping my current reg. Introducing new laws that cost to implement wont be overturned with a few online signatures.

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    Done.
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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Quote Originally Posted by Duffer View Post
    Ok, but say that you buy a Mk2 Escort, fully convert it to a Grp4 Spec replica/tribute car, you would be happy to then have this put onto a Q plate? Even though it is done to the same or better spec than an original Boreham car?
    Next you'll be setting up a petition to have all SA imports put on a Q plate because it may water down a true British Classic
    You really need to read the regulations as they are written - there is nothing to stop you building a replica rally car and retaining the car's original plate - just pay the tax and get it MOT'd - you aren't claiming its something that its not. The 8 point rule may get you although with original bodyshell, steering and suspension you should make 8 points but tune the motor more than 15% over its original and you are buggered! If you build a full on rally car - its RADICALLY ALTERED so why should you be able to call it Historic!

    Why would a SA / AUS import need a Q plate - if you can prove it's date of manufacture / 1st registration to the satisfaction of the DVLA then it'll get an age related plate - if you can't then it'll get a Q plate and that rule has been around since the 80's.

    And BTW bear in mind if you declare 'historic' and get caught and get a 'Q' prepare to pay through the nose for insurance - they love Q plates - NOT! as vehicle will be classed as age unknown and amateur built / modified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    You really need to read the regulations as they are written - there is nothing to stop you building a replica rally car and retaining the car's original plate - just pay the tax and get it MOT'd - you aren't claiming its something that its not. The 8 point rule may get you although with original bodyshell, steering and suspension you should make 8 points but tune the motor more than 15% over its original and you are buggered! If you build a full on rally car - its RADICALLY ALTERED so why should you be able to call it Historic!

    Why would a SA / AUS import need a Q plate - if you can prove it's date of manufacture / 1st registration to the satisfaction of the DVLA then it'll get an age related plate - if you can't then it'll get a Q plate and that rule has been around since the 80's.

    And BTW bear in mind if you declare 'historic' and get caught and get a 'Q' prepare to pay through the nose for insurance - they love Q plates - NOT! as vehicle will be classed as age unknown and amateur built / modified.
    No problem at all with having a radically altered car and paying for a MOT and Road Tax, just as I declare every detail of every mod on my car for insurance purposes, I personally don't care about the historic status, if I was worried about my car passing a MOT, then I would hope I would have the common sense to be worrying about driving it lol, but I would care about being handed a Q plate, I think that the point for alot of people is that they don't want a Q plate, which is what the petition I signed was for... but as you say, and I did read the regulations, I could not see the part of not declaring for historic, (might need my eyes tested) just thought it was automatic

    The reference to SA cars was down to, as you put it the 'true classic car owner' feeling that their own status is diminished somehow. Well, my car is heavily modified, but it doesn't make me think its not a classic. I mean, you are on a forum which is 'home of the cossied escort' afterall!

    Thank you for pointing out the regulations, I will re-read them, so basically, don't try and declare historic, usual MOT and Tax, and you get to keep your plate, have I got this right?

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    Thats about the size of it. You have to declare it 'historic' to change the registration document to read 'historic' - it isn't automatically applied. Therein lies the problem - owners considering their cars classics due to age whilst the DVLA are applying regulations regardless of age but on modification status, typical Gubmint arse before elbow thinking!
    Actually the Eurocrats wanted modified cars BANNED full stop with anything over 30 years termed classic! - a Mk4 Escort a classic ! ! !

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    Why if a cars been altered should it not be "historic"? Take historic rallying for instance what happens there? Lotus cortinas, cooper s, mk1 escort rs etc they are all built to period spec but would all have over 15 % power increase, and if an escort is arched for instance the shell is altered. So why would these not be entitled to be historic, I personally would just pay for my tax and mot anyway but why the 8 points shit and all that. If it's the government wanting revenue in from "historic" cars well so be it, just make us pay like we have to for everything else in this country but leave the re registering bollox alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    Thats about the size of it. You have to declare it 'historic' to change the registration document to read 'historic' - it isn't automatically applied.
    this is the bit i do not understand. I declared my anglia historic when i came to tax it. for the first time in 25 years. I mot'd it and then went to tax it and that was it. At no point did i declare anything it was a tick or similar on the V5 which they sent off (post office) and it came back all changed. At that point the car had been registered as a 1600 etc for years. I have just mot'd it again (not sure i need to) and taxed (for free) etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyrs3dr View Post
    Why if a cars been altered should it not be "historic"? Take historic rallying for instance what happens there? Lotus cortinas, cooper s, mk1 escort rs etc they are all built to period spec but would all have over 15 % power increase, and if an escort is arched for instance the shell is altered. So why would these not be entitled to be historic, I personally would just pay for my tax and mot anyway but why the 8 points shit and all that. If it's the government wanting revenue in from "historic" cars well so be it, just make us pay like we have to for everything else in this country but leave the re registering bollox alone.
    For God's sake - just read the proposals..............anything built / modified before 1988 ( if I remember correctly) can't be re-classified with new registration! And anything built for competition - what difference does having a Q or age related plate make to how it works?
    Putting arches on wings isn't radically altering the 'structure' of the car....... cutting the bulkhead and most of the tunnel out for different engines / gearboxes surely is! The work may be carried out to better standards but it could also be a 'dogs dinner' with to thin steel tack welded and covered with underseal - is it acceptable to have the latter running around with no MOT checking?

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    Are you the minister proposing this! The difference in a car being on a "q" is quite a big thing IMO. My point being how would they catogorise what would and what wouldn't have to be done, to do this. By the way I'm happy to pay tax and I will always mot my cars but as the owner of a group 1 car and a group 4 car a Q plate would make a difference to me. And if your saying it would not bother you "because it works" your talking pure shite!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyrs3dr View Post
    By the way I'm happy to pay tax and I will always mot my cars but as the owner of a group 1 car and a group 4 car a Q plate would make a difference to me.
    Then why the hell are you bitching about it then - it won't affect you!

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    Because I read your earlier post, which YOU said the 8 point rule might still get you even if you do pay tax and mot. So are you talking utter rubbish? Because it seems to me that you like to hear yourself but when it comes to it you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

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    easy boys, lets not get personal!

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    I was simply asking a question mate, don't appreciate the sarcastic remarks made that's all. No one was bitching.

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyrs3dr View Post
    Because I read your earlier post, which YOU said the 8 point rule might still get you even if you do pay tax and mot. So are you talking utter rubbish? Because it seems to me that you like to hear yourself but when it comes to it you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
    IF YOU DECLARE IT AS HISTORIC AND DON'T WANT TO PAY TAX AND MOT IT then the 8 point rule and power increase will be used to find for or against the definition of Historic (DVLA term).
    You haven't explained why having a Q plate stops your rally cars from working?
    As a Q plate basically dates any vehicle wearing one as first used pre Aug 1975 it does have advantages for newer cars - emissions testing for one. Whether a car will have to be tested is anyone's guess as majority will fail an SVA test which isn't really applicable to a pre registered and currently street legal / used car. The rebuild / modification regs have been around for some time - just flouted by one and all...............now 'they' are clamping down due to euro pressures!
    I don't have to waste my time trying to explain all this crap - but do, to try and state an understanding of what is and is not likely, if you / anyone chooses to want to benefit from 'historic status! I was actually looking forward to not having to tax my RS in a couple of years but with a Zetec now in residence i'll just have to keep paying £220 tax for the privilege due to the original stated emissions, which ultimately is daft because even with more hp, its emissions are WAY down compared to the wheezy old Pinto it used to have!

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    With the 15% rule I can easily prove that my RS2 engine was modified before 1988 but could I then put a more modern and more powerful engine in with my reasoning being that the car has had more than 15% power increase since in my case 1986.

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    Re: Stop modified classics losing their reg

    I thought it was pretty obvious why no one wants a Q reg on their car, they look pants and it devalues them.

    How long will it be before the Insurance companies get onto the Band Wagon with all this, the next thing we know is that if we don't meet the right criteria then there'll be no Insurance cover for our classic vehicles.

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