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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    I have a problem with the acceleration of my car.



    See the problem? I lose time when the bounce.


    Last year i had the old saggy springs of 30 years ald and it didnt do that, and it drove better. I have spaxs dampers, but had them last year to. I only changed the springs over the winter with new stiffer springs. So that would be the problem right?

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Do you have LSD in the rear axle? Cant really make out the problem from the vid bit do you get too much wheel spin or only one wheel spinning?

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    the diff is welded so, so the should spin the same. If you look good, when i start the tyres bounce (the white car.) You can see the trunk rattle.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Cant really see properly but that looks like axle tramp on a leaf spring car where the axle winds up and then releases which causes the axle to jump The Tanus does not have leafs but is the axle located at the top to prevent it twisting.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    it doesnt have leaf springs, ill make a pic from the axle and springs later.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Here are some pics of the rear axle.

























    An other question, can anybody tell me what for a axle this is. Last time somebody that worked for years on ford said it was an atlas axle. I just cant believe him, i dont think that they ever put atlas axles in the Taunus. But from pictures i have seen that this looks like the baby atlas, And that they are not to bad. Anybody an idea?
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Koln axles were usually fitted to cortinas and taunuses I believe.

    Regarding your spring problem, if the rear springs are too hard you won't get weight transfer to the rear on acceleration and therefore you will have less grip. The axle bounce (tramp) is most likely due to the void bushes in the top locating arms allowing the axle to wind up, then rebound.
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    You mean the 2 above the diff or the 2 that hold it to the chassis? or both of them?

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Normally the 2 above the diff are the worst, but you should probably check / replace all of them if they are the original rubber items!
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Going to try this i'll post pics later on

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    So from the advice I got from here, I stuck new poly bushes all around the rear axle. Was a fun job drilling the old rubber bushes.

    And also I installed a second panhard rod ( i think dont know the english name) So it should be stiffer in the back and looks at the moment now.

    Some pics



















    So thats for now, Going on a little vacation and the the car in going to a rollingroad, for tuning, will show graph from tests.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    arieke, that looks like axle tramp is going on when you start.

    some tips when i was starting of that same line in the escort :p

    get the rear softer inbound, there is hardly any weight transfer to the back, the rear of the car doesnt drop down when you lift off. the rear seems too hard. look at the starts of the volvo's in rallycross, they almost hit the ground when starting of the line.
    try to fit anti tramp bars to prevent it happening : simple installation. there should be plenty of pics on the forum. Or install a 4 link system that you set up so the car drops when starting from the line.

    i had the bugger axle tramp when i still had leaves on the escort. when i installed a 4 link system with a Z-bar is was gone and dramatically improved the overall handling.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross


    An other question, can anybody tell me what for a axle this is. Last time somebody that worked for years on ford said it was an atlas axle. I just cant believe him, i dont think that they ever put atlas axles in the Taunus.
    in the uk, cortinas had a variation on of the atlas axle, so they are atlas's but not quite the atlas we have in our capris

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross


    And also I installed a second panhard rod ( i think dont know the english name)
    thats an anti roll bar.

    a panard rod connects one end of the axle, the the chassis on the opposite side of the car ro stop the axle moving sideways

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    u have a koln axle there, some cortinas here that had the atlas type axles, i believe they are mk3,4 and 5's 2l + and some towing packaged cars had them fitted, if u can find one u can fit capri slipper

    To tell a heavy atlas type look at the bolt pattern on the diff plate if its symmetrical its a atlas type



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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Yeh that's a Koln (or chocolate axle) IE get it warm and it melts
    TBH with all that rear anti roll bar stiffnes your turn in will be very direct and cause more overstear
    i use a hyundai rear ARB it's 20 mm and about as far as i like to go on the rear
    Ii don't like to fully polybush the rear end, for 1 it will start to crack the mounts at the chassis end and it limits the axle movement and makes for a very very hard and skippy ride especialy on bumpy corners, personly i'd be softenong the rear and using rubber bushes at the axle end of the arms, if you want better axle locatuion you need to go back to rubber and add a panhard rod (if you can find an 81 to 89 hyundai stellar they have a cortina rear end thats 5 linked with slightly alterd bushes and a way way better than the standard taunus set up

    Although that is all based on playing with them for road use, never really rallyed one seriousely
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Quote Originally Posted by bortaf View Post
    Yeh that's a Koln (or chocolate axle) IE get it warm and it melts
    TBH with all that rear anti roll bar stiffnes your turn in will be very direct and cause more overstear
    i use a hyundai rear ARB it's 20 mm and about as far as i like to go on the rear
    Ii don't like to fully polybush the rear end, for 1 it will start to crack the mounts at the chassis end and it limits the axle movement and makes for a very very hard and skippy ride especialy on bumpy corners, personly i'd be softenong the rear and using rubber bushes at the axle end of the arms, if you want better axle locatuion you need to go back to rubber and add a panhard rod (if you can find an 81 to 89 hyundai stellar they have a cortina rear end thats 5 linked with slightly alterd bushes and a way way better than the standard taunus set up

    Although that is all based on playing with them for road use, never really rallyed one seriousely
    im certainly no expert on cortina's but that all sounds like very good advise

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    So we went to a rolling road.

    The previous driver said it had 171hp. So, ... This guy, he set everything up, did first run and said its overfueling. To large air of fuel tubes. The previous owner had 170 (these were drilled) in the carbs, but it was overfueling, So he got some other and put 145 in the carbs and the engine made 150hp at 6100 rpm and same torque, So second run he put 140 in and the we got this.





    For a standard rs2000 engine I must say it aint bad. they had new 150hp and 190nm torque I even got 10 more. The fast road cams will make a difference. But that will wait they will fit in the rs2300 engine.


    The previous owner should have had the same probs with the overfueling,right?? it cant be from, something I did. Because i didnt change anything. I dont even believe the engine had 171hp because overfueling you always see on a rollingroad.


    Would rather see those 170hp. But he said his rolling road is a bit off. So ...




    This is a link


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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    I think pretty much all dynos differ from each other, they're only really usefull for comparisons if you use the same RR every time to keep track of the mods you fit IMHO.
    That's still a pretty good result though what sort of millage has the engine done ?

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    nice to see someone doing something original for once!
    also, i think the matter is that the man told you the bhp at the fly wheel (so it seems powerfuller than it is at the wheels) the dynor might possibly have told you the bhp at the wheels
    hope this helps

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    the engine had I Think 10 years ago a fresh build, new rings and bearings. So should be still oke. If i do a full season of Rallycross I maybe do 160km, The engine would have 1500 on it so. Still fresh i asume. Every year a oil change. and filters.


    Original? :-p Its a bit modified, But there aren't alot of go faster parts for these engines. expect cams.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Last weekend 22 august on the race at last the diff broke. So i opened it up today and the satelits are broken, so the rest is intact. Pinion and crown wheel are oke. So Will be taking the old satelithousing out and fixing it and hopefully i can fix it before the event in holland starts. Will post pics of the diff.



    I had fully bushed the rear axle and yes my problem is solved, it pulls nicely off the start it was awsome, till it broke. had lots of fun with it on saterday
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    I had fully bushed the rear axle and yes my problem is solved, it pulls nicely off the start it was awsome,
    sounds like you fixed the first problem, now your probably gonna keep breaking diffs

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    we are going to fully lock the diff. We going to fill the satelite housing with melted pistons. So it forms a solid block so, this should be stronger then just welding the teeth together.

    People say the this is a chocolat axle, but what actuallty breaks? Pinion? crownwheel, shafts? of the satelits?

    If i get the full locked diff back i will put a pic on. It will be cool.

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    So I got my new diff back, it is I think stronger then before. We made 2 flat sides on the satelite wheels en made a metal piece and placed it in the satelite housing. And the rod that holded the knackerd satelite wheels in place, we used it again to hold the metal piece in place.

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    I had a go with it, Its been tested and it didnt break yet, I dont assume it will break. If something now breaks, it will be the half shaft or the whole housing.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    So at last I found the cortina atlas axle. Went to Germany drove up 600 km. And wel worth it but now. I dont know what diff ratio to get.

    I would like to keep my MT75, because i modded whole the tunnel and driveline.


    My powerband is from 2500 rpm 175NM to 4600 rpm 200NM and At 6600 175NM So it aint high revver.


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    2000 12 22 33 45 59
    2500 16 27 41 56 74
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    3500 22 38 58 79 104
    4000 25 43 66 90 118
    4500 28 49 74 101 133
    5000 31 54 83 112 148
    5500 34 59 91 124 163
    6000 37 65 99 135 177
    6500 40 70 107 146 192
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    MT75 + 5,14

    18,5 10,6 6,9 5,14 3,9

    RPM 1 2 3 4 5
    1000 6 10 15 20 27
    1500 8 15 22 30 40
    2000 11 19 30 40 53
    2500 14 24 37 51 67
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    3500 20 34 52 71 93
    4000 22 39 60 81 107
    4500 25 44 67 91 120
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    5500 31 54 82 111 147
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    6500 36 63 97 132 173
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    RPM 1 2 3 4 5
    1000 5 9 13 18 24
    1500 7 13 20 27 35
    2000 10 17 26 36 47
    2500 12 22 33 45 59
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    4000 20 35 53 72 94
    4500 22 39 59 81 106
    5000 25 43 66 90 118
    5500 27 47 73 99 130
    6000 30 52 79 108 142
    6500 32 56 86 117 153
    7000 35 60 92 126 165


    I got some price from fostek 225£ for 4.63 300£ for 5.14 and 5.8 for 440£

    Somebody told me on this forum the best gear diff ratio is 11 for racing. So the 5.14 is the closed to 11. Any body have a bit advise? Yes The first Gear wont be any use only for in the carpark. So second Gear is the starting Gear.
    in 2011 mid season i will start building a 2300 RS engine, and cams. So power wise the car will have more Torque.

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    Any news?
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Yeah whats been happening?

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Quote Originally Posted by Arieke View Post
    Re posted the pics






    Any info on the distributor setup?? it looks like a CVH one but don't the weights in dissy work the other direction??
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    Yeah whats been happening?
    Been long time, i recently build a 2300 bottemend. This or next week i hope to port the head a bit so it can flow some more air. Just waiting for the inlet manifold. (i'll post pics from block) the one i have is to restrictive.



    Quote Originally Posted by SidewaysMk1 View Post
    Any info on the distributor setup?? it looks like a CVH one but don't the weights in dissy work the other direction??
    I think its a CVH one, but when i got a new cap and rotor they gave me parts from a rover :-s. so i' wouldnt know



    For the rs2300 I'm going to use a pinto distributor from my blown up pinto. I don't know about weights. i thinks it turns in the right direction. clockwise like the pinto ones.
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    Plans for this winter are,

    Succesfully build a rs2300 and hope for 200+hp and +185 lb/ft of torque.


    A new exhaust is build build because i can't build exhaust. Will add pics when I get the car back.


    A brake upgrade and only in front. My disks have a verry nice blue color after the race. So going to fit 260mm vented disk and clamps from the scorpio with red dot pads. And a master cilinder from a 2.8 granny. I hope this works. (i still have the standard brakes on the car)

    An other things is installing servo. (steering) because turning the steering wheel is hard and trying to down shift doesnt work that good. (2:1 steering) And its killing my shoulder. I have a rack from a sierra dohc.

    And of course some bits and bobs.
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    how u guna make a pinto dizzy work on the 2.3, cant u use an esc1 pack that some people use 4 the zetec conversion, i have an esc 1 pack running the ignition on my rs2k with carb, its about 50 quid ish, but looking gd all the same

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    info on r2300

    some pics.













    A scorpio 2300 block with sump from a 2.0 DOHC from a sierra because then i can remove the balencer shafts. less weight more revy


    Using a Rs2000 head with RS2BP300H RALLY cams, (these are the latest cams you can use before getting rid of the hydrailic tappets) and adjustable camshaft sprockets. and a moddified pinto dizzy from H&H.


    Took of 1.3mm from the pistons, because cr is to high if you use rs2000 head you get 11.8, what is nice you i had forged pistons and better con rods. But thats a bit to much for the standard pistons. the rs2000 had 10.3. I'm hoping for 10.6 - 10.7. But I don't know much cr they can take so trying to do a safe build.


    Thats all for now i think.
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    going to make it the same way it works on my rs2000 engine. To be fair i wont know how to install it. And would believe a moddified dizzy by H&H would have a better advance curve. the pinto dizzy I got was build for a race engine. so i would asume its better then a sec1 pack. or am I wrong?

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    pics of engine

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    for some reason, i couldn't upload the pictures.

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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    pinto dizzy Weights go the right direction for your setup. i Also use a cut down pinto dizzy on my DOHC 8V.

    Where did u Run the outlet for the expansion/filler tank on the BMW rad to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SidewaysMk1 View Post
    Where did u Run the outlet for the expansion/filler tank on the BMW rad to?
    euhm, I don't have a bmw radiator anymore, for some reason unknown. (I had a T piece connected someplace.) I have now a 2.3 v6 cortina radiator and its still runs hot the dam engine.
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    I Did some porting work on a test cilinderhead. Not sure of its any good but, first time.

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    It does look like an improvement.







    Don't know if this actually does something, This should be the top from the port. My dad said it wont make a difference so, I don't know. Advice welcome


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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    looks much better to me. definitely help with some power
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    Re: Ford Taunus TC2 Rallycross

    I have calculated the cr from the engine and it will be 10.7. Standard the 2300 has 10.0 cr and the rs2000 has 10.3. So i hope 10.7 won't be to high. Would give a little more hp anyway. :-)

    I just hope the rings can stand it and the piston doesn't melt. Pinto's standard pistion can withstand 10.5 al day long so. Hopefully these a little bit more :-s
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