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    Garage advice wanted

    Hi folks

    i have bought a house with a decent sized plot.


    Im hoping to build a garage that will be 5m wide by 6m long
    with a flat roof I can go to 2.5m max height

    sticking with this size means it conforms to permitted development rules plus I don’t need to worry about building regs

    does anyone on here have my experience with drawing plans and getting planning permission

    im wondering is it worth paying the extra for only a metre or so extra space

    plus what is the best to build from
    I originally though blocks but now I’m leaning towards brick as I won’t have to render it

    all in all I think I know what I’m doing but in truth o don’t think I do
    so any help would be appreciated
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    can you build it bigger if it's from wood ?

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Mine is 5.6 x 5.6 log garage. The biggest I could have without permission etc. But I'd still always check with planning, as there are still rules and regs regards siting position if near a public highway inc footpaths etc. as I found out many years ago.
    I think regs vary from area to area anyway.
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    No can’t build bigger if it’s in wood
    Building from brick works put the cheapest I’ll be doing the work myself with help from my dad who is a good brick layer

    Mainly not sure how to go about drawing plans etc
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    If its permitted development - you don't need planning although trying to sell a property with something like this will pose problems as solicitors like their pieces of paper! To get round this you build it then apply for permitted development approval to keep the legal eagle happy!
    You will need Building Regs although can be done under a Building Notice so no drawings required.

    The max height quoted is for building within 2.0m of boundary - otherwise its 3.0m max. You are aware that a single span roof won't span those dimensions so will need piers and beams to carry the roof and that subject to roofing material the roof will fall from 2.5 down to 2.35m if 5m deep so allowing for 250mm of roof construction you'll have 2.1m headroom at the back. Personally i'd be inclined to stick a shallow dual pitch trussed roof on it which I believe are allowed to max 4.0m high - will look better too!

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Would putting a trussed roof mean just putting a steel from one end to another then beams from the walls to the steel or is more involved ?
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    steel frame then this,will work out cheaper than any of the other options and its insulated too
    http://www.steadmans.co.uk/steel-cla...teel-cladding/

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Have looked into them but just not keen hoping to build it so it fits in with the rest of the house and so that it can be used for other things by the next owners

    Looking into a dual pitched roof it seems to make sense to do it that way
    Will give a good bit of head height


    As the house is an ex council house I have to get whatever we do approved any way even if it doesn’t need planning permission
    This only comes with a small fee
    Is there anywhere you can view the building regs as I can’t seem to find anywhere that makes sense
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Quite interested in this thread as im hoping to build a double garage this summer

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Read into it, as it also depends on how much land would then be taken up etc... if you're unlucky like me, the local council have withdrawn my rights and I have to apply no matter what I do, other to dig a hole and lay a patio or lawn
    https://www.planningportal.co.uk/inf...g_permission/2

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    i built my own last summer. use planning portal above and work out if you need planning - biggest issues are if its closer to a road or possibly attached to house. then the size allowed depends if you need building regs. much easier to avoid regs.
    i used a pitch roof at 2.5m max, for costs and to avoid condensation i used a double skin using outer box profile. i would try and go 6.5m if you can to allow a bench at end although yours is wider than i could go.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    I laid a base and had a prefabricated sectional one by Compton garages then I just insulated and boarded it inside.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post
    i built my own last summer. use planning portal above and work out if you need planning - biggest issues are if its closer to a road or possibly attached to house. then the size allowed depends if you need building regs. much easier to avoid regs.
    i used a pitch roof at 2.5m max, for costs and to avoid condensation i used a double skin using outer box profile. i would try and go 6.5m if you can to allow a bench at end although yours is wider than i could go.


    Any pictures of it ?
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    its not for sale its a simple block construction with side door (salvage double glaze composite £20 !) and a roller shutter front ( £50 gumtree)

    i can get pics if they help and if you can / willing to use coloured box profile (you can get tile effect now too ) i can describe the roof system.

    one big tip if your on a budget (or just sensible )- buy the doors etc first as they come up for sale and build the holes to suit !

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Many sectional garages do not require planning permission. However, permission is required for any garage which covers over half the garden, which is not for domestic use or which is over 3 metres high with a pent roof or 4 metres high with an apex roof.

    Garden Buildings are considered Permitted Development and do NOT require planning permission as long as: The building is to be placed less than 2.0m from the boundary of the property with a maximum overall height of no more than 2.5m from existing ground level.
    Just found these couple of quotes on the net if you consider a pre cast sectional garage.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by Colr6 View Post
    and do NOT require planning permission as long as: The building is to be placed less than 2.0m from the boundary of the property with a maximum overall height of no more than 2.5m from existing ground level.
    Just found these couple of quotes on the net if you consider a pre cast sectional garage.
    other way - to clarify from memory its 2.5m max within 2m of boundary.

    edit - i think thats what you said
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Yeah exactly what you describe is what I want to build
    The only thing I’d like help with is how you have done the roof


    I already have a door and window hopefully
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    Yeah exactly what you describe is what I want to build
    The only thing I’d like help with is how you have done the roof


    I already have a door and window hopefully
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Does anyone else keep double posting ?
    iPhone related ?
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Building it in brick will mean you don’t have to paint or render the outside but it will be a lot more expensive. You can buy coloured renders from companies like k-rend/parex which would mean you won’t have to paint it for a few years. Block and render would be a quicker process but if you buy the right bricks it would look better in brick. You could get a steel frame type, (using cold rolled metal) have an insulated roof/skylights put on and then you could insulate the walls yourself with rock wool and ply line the inside, no maintenance and maybe cheaper?

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    I’m still thinking about block and either painting it or rendering
    A mate does it for a living reckons he can get me doing it within a day
    So still tempted by blocks

    What type of blocks are best to build from
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    A truss will fly over a 5m span - no steel required. Will do 6m if you wanted to span side to side!
    If serious, talk to a truss fabrication co. - we use Donaldson's a lot, explain the size and overall heights
    and someone should be able to tell you if its possible. Doesn't need to be tiled finish, you could sheath
    it with 19mm plywood and use 2 layers of mineral felt over to keep the costs down but it will be an
    ongoing maintenance thing every 15 odd years - replace felt.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    I was thinking a steel because i can get them cheap through a contact

    But if I put one up is it just a case of steel down the middle then beams to it or will they need to be braced
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    I just used 7x 2 timbers onto timber wall plate as its a lean to roof - drops a block over width.
    If you build from 4" block ( most common) you need to render as it wil piss through. 2 coats . Then paint. I "painted " the inside with cement slurry and a fence brush and its a1 painted. I will get pics to pm you.


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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Here you go, take a look at the drawings I did for my garage of a similar size. Should give you a good idea what you need to do if you want a pitched roof.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9yi3ol9pdh...sed-1.pdf?dl=0

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Nice drawing but a word of caution if that is built in an area subject to any significant snow - without any bracing across the top of the rafters below the ridge beam, any weight acting as a dead load on the rafters will want to push the rafter feet off the wall plate! Ideally a tie between each pair of rafters, at least a third down the overall height, to stop the spread or tie the rafter feet back to the floor with diagonal braces.
    Yes it does cramp the storage space - better to duck under or over timber than be buried under it, slate and snow!

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    **** Fackin Double Posts ! ! !
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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Very very little snow in my area so not an issue. I have tied the rafters down to the floor though to create eaves storage but building control were happy enough with the drawings and calcs as they stood.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Not mine but I saw this on Ebay years ago and thought if I ever got round to doing a garage I'd do something like this.
    It's a concrete sectional garage which is not always the best but I really like the roof idea.




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    That’S.A. very good structure would be perfect
    My boulder mate has explained the process of building control and he has good contact with the council so hopefully will start making progress soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by mexicotait View Post
    That’S.A. very good structure would be perfect

    That was my thought too.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Reading this with interest but no one commented on the possibility of condensation on the insde of the roof ? Would this be an issue to overcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by alancdavis View Post
    Reading this with interest but no one commented on the possibility of condensation on the insde of the roof ? Would this be an issue to overcome
    That all depends on what you use as your final roofing material really. An actually the steel work in those pics would be a be slightly susceptible to condensation. But if you insulated around it well enough I dont think it would be too much of a problem.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    yes. unless insulated.
    what i have done is this (lean to roof but same principal on a pent) - its well proven by a family member and now by myself.

    on top of rafters i used sheets of shuttering ply / osb boards or whatever its called -salvage from construction site perimeter so all painted bright colors!
    then on top of that i " felted it " not felt but big roll of roofing plastic stuff from screwfix , use minimum tacks to hold THEN
    lay battens along its length on the overlaps / edges / where required for sheets etc to hold down the "felt" - now i was posh here and routed some
    slots in bottom of battens to allow any moisture to pass downwards,
    lastly use box profile on top - this is the weather protection, the felt just catches any condensation from underneath it.

    inside is 100% dry and condensation free after 2 hard winters. easy and inexpensive and works.

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    Usually an un-heated garage won't suffer much condensation as air inside will be much the same temp as outside - warm air carries a lot more moisture than cold and only when it hits the cold surface does condensation occur. If you plan to heat the space then a vapour barrier and insulation of the structure will be necessary to prevent condensation. The use of paraffin fired space heaters are notorious for adding water vapour to the warm air and should be avoided in an un-insulated or poorly insulated spaces.

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    not correct - i have an unheated garage with un-insulated steel roof and at some times of year its raining on the inside. snow / frost etc . not great at any time to be honest.

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    We've got a lean to barn type construction off a side fence. It's open one end with just a tarpaulin hung off a steel cable an draws across like a curtain. Thats got an uninsulated steel panel roof on it and thats terriible for condensation, despite the fact that there's plenty of air flow through and no heating...

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    Can't explain those scenario's but water can't spontaneously condense if the air temp. is the same inside and out otherwise everywhere would be in a cloud there has to be a difference in temp. Lean-too's against a house for example may not be heated, but there will be bleed through heat loss from the house into the cold space = temp difference = condensation. My brick and concrete sheet roofed garage in a block doesn't ever condense until i'm in there a while as i'm the heat source - only needs a couple of degrees!

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    Re: Garage advice wanted

    you just answered your own question - the words . inside - outside --- only needs a couple of degrees sort of gives it away

    mine is also block and is detached with ventilation .

    also you will find that garages are not much use if you need to stay out as they condensate when your inside

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