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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    It's Alcons that ya want!! Colin McRae, Callum Duffy, Paul Alexander, my brother, and many other MK2 Escort drivers use the same brakes and all have said they're amazing. I have them too but yet to try them out. Near enough stand the car on its nose these do. Coupled with Pagid pads too they're really really gentle on wear, with Ferodo's too for that matter. Matt's pads barely lost anything at Marham mate the pad area itself is very impressive. You get a bigger pad area than the AP's, and the piston sizes are also larger, simply put they're the dogs bollocks!





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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by JonSegger View Post
    Yes, I think we're really getting to grips with the setup now. Its got plenty of power (too much in the wet) and the handling is pretty good now. I need better brakes though. The 13" Wilwoods just aren't up to the job any more. I'm planning on flogging any unwanted spares and bits and pieces to save up for some decent brakes and a swap to 15" wheels at some point. I also still need to do something to give the throttle linkage a little more travel. It's pretty much on or off at the moment - which is OK in the dry, but hard work in the wet.
    That's some great footage Jon, nice one I'm well impressed with the way you attack that hairpin (not the bit where you went straight on haha)

    Out of interest, why do you fancy 15" wheels? If you are just getting the handling sorted now (and it really looks to be handling well in that footage) then going to 15's might be a big step back? Just a thought...

    You can still get some mega brakes that'll fit under your 13's.

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    I've been using the 13" AP kit from R.A.C.E. for a couple of years for tarmac rallying...bloody ace & the callipers are very light weight.
    This kit comes with everything you need, hoses, pads, bolts, brackets the lot




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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    They're nice, but every bugger has AP, I like to be a bit different

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    If you use parts that most rally boys use if you get a problem on a rally you have more of a chance of getting spares or help!! Just a thought!!
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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by FOSSIE View Post
    That's some great footage Jon, nice one I'm well impressed with the way you attack that hairpin (not the bit where you went straight on haha)

    Out of interest, why do you fancy 15" wheels? If you are just getting the handling sorted now (and it really looks to be handling well in that footage) then going to 15's might be a big step back? Just a thought...

    You can still get some mega brakes that'll fit under your 13's.
    Cheers Tom. Yeah, the one where I went straight on was when the brakes failed.

    I know what you're saying about 15" wheels possibly messing up the handling - but my theory is that bigger brakes are going to be better than small ones, and if I'm going to spend a lot of cash on brakes I want to get the best I can. Thinking about how many corners there were in each 15 mile stage at Marham, for example - braking a quarter of a second later into each one would make up a lot of time over the whole stage.

    Having said that, I do like how it handles at the moment. I have quite a few 13" wheels and I think Escorts look better on 13s (- a small point I know...)

    So I'm torn really. In most of the rallies I've done recently, the only escorts that have beaten us have been running on 15s (with the exception of Gavin, of course ) so in general it look like they're doing something right...

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by JonSegger View Post
    Cheers Tom. Yeah, the one where I went straight on was when the brakes failed.

    I know what you're saying about 15" wheels possibly messing up the handling - but my theory is that bigger brakes are going to be better than small ones, and if I'm going to spend a lot of cash on brakes I want to get the best I can. Thinking about how many corners there were in each 15 mile stage at Marham, for example - braking a quarter of a second later into each one would make up a lot of time over the whole stage.

    Having said that, I do like how it handles at the moment. I have quite a few 13" wheels and I think Escorts look better on 13s (- a small point I know...)

    So I'm torn really. In most of the rallies I've done recently, the only escorts that have beaten us have been running on 15s (with the exception of Gavin, of course ) so in general it look like they're doing something right...
    Simon Mauger runs 13's.....can't say much more than that really except the reason I run 15's is for the big brakes and I like the way mine handles.

    Maybe just a decent set of calipers (I'm not a Wilwood fan) with a bigger pad area would work better mate?

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Hmm, good point. I wonder what brakes he's using....

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Well as I was spannering for him when he won the Tyneside stages I can tell you mate.....

    Brembo's, but I'm not sure what off, I can find out for you though.

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

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    Quote Originally Posted by cossie matt View Post
    Well as I was spannering for him when he won the Tyneside stages I can tell you mate.....

    Brembo's, but I'm not sure what off, I can find out for you though.
    RI was going to mention Simon and Gavin running 13's. I've got brembos on mine and use a pagid blue pad with 2.8i discs and they are fantastic. I can take dimensions of the fixing bracket so you can get some machined up? I think the calipers are of a 406 coupe or something. Para might be able to confirm what car they are off. Might be worth trying first before shelling out on new big alcons and 15's?

    I think Willwoods suffer a lot from caliper flex.

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
    I think Willwoods suffer a lot from caliper flex.
    They do indeed mate, I think Matt was making the things bend so much under the amount of pedal pressure he's able to apply that there was only about half the pad contact!

    Windy still uses Princess 4 pots with modified subaru pagid RS14's, he has used them twice on rallies at Milbrook.

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by JonSegger View Post
    Cheers Tom. Yeah, the one where I went straight on was when the brakes failed.

    I know what you're saying about 15" wheels possibly messing up the handling - but my theory is that bigger brakes are going to be better than small ones, and if I'm going to spend a lot of cash on brakes I want to get the best I can. Thinking about how many corners there were in each 15 mile stage at Marham, for example - braking a quarter of a second later into each one would make up a lot of time over the whole stage.

    Having said that, I do like how it handles at the moment. I have quite a few 13" wheels and I think Escorts look better on 13s (- a small point I know...)

    So I'm torn really. In most of the rallies I've done recently, the only escorts that have beaten us have been running on 15s (with the exception of Gavin, of course ) so in general it look like they're doing something right...

    Totally agree, can't argue with that, you'll definitely be able to fit bigger discs under 15's. Whether that would make the car stop any quicker is another matter, but they'll certain cope with the heat build up better.

    Matts car stops and handles awesome - but he's been using that setup for ages - and he's used to it now.

    Speaking to some spectators, of all the cars on the RBMR, the one that seemed to stop the quickest was Simon's mk2 (with the exception of the orange Darrian, but that thing is in a different league). He runs literally the biggest discs and calipers (which are pretty fancy Brembo jobs) he can fit under 13's and he admits they are right on the limit - not far off cooking them on long stages - but he choses to stick with that setup as he doesn't like the way the car handles on 15" wheels, which is what he'd have to do to upsize the brakes.

    Another thing to think about is your rear brake setup, again I use Simon's mk2 as an example (and why not, is about the quickest thing out there) he has the traditional gp4 escort "works" AP calipers on the back. They have a piston area comparible with most 4-pot front calipers.

    Why don't you maybe borrow some 15's from someone and give the car a try before spending any money? Will make your mind up one way or the other!

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Hmm, yes I was thinking along the lines of borrowing some 15" wheels and seeing how it feels. I'll keep a lookout.

    I will also speak to Ian Rix next time I see him. He supplies a lot of the AP kits to the various rally spares places, so I'm sure he'll have some advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
    I've got brembos on mine and use a pagid blue pad with 2.8i discs and they are fantastic. I can take dimensions of the fixing bracket so you can get some machined up? I think the calipers are of a 406 coupe or something. Para might be able to confirm what car they are off. Might be worth trying first before shelling out on new big alcons and 15's?

    I think Willwoods suffer a lot from caliper flex.
    Hmm, sounds like they're definitely worth considering. I'll do some investigation...

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Update time...

    Lynn Charity Stages, 7th November 2010

    Having armed myself with a roll cage certificate after failing scrutineering at Woodbridge, our next event was the Lynn Charity Stages.

    We arrived at a cold and wet Sculthorpe and after a bit of trouble getting the car started, we sailed through scrutineering without any issues. We were warned that the stages would be slippery as there was a lot of standing water in places and a decent covering of mud and slime in others. Tyre choice was going to be crucial, but we didn't have any wets and didn't have full enough pockets to buy a set, so we opted for part-worn soft slicks on the front and rear.

    Stage 1 went OK. It was very slippery as expected, but good fun. A powerful rear wheel drive Escort is definitely not an advantage in such conditions.

    Stage 2 wasn't so good though. We really struggled for grip and in the wet sections it felt like we were driving on sheet ice. We also had a big spin after the jump but luckily didn't hit anything. The class B 106 that was running behind us caught and overtook us. They actually took nearly a minute out of us on this stage, front wheel drive and wet tyres working well for them.

    In service after stage 2 we looked at our tyres and it was obvious why we had no grip. There was nothing left of the rears (see attached pic). Although it was very slippery, there were still some abrasive sections and that was just killing the tyres. So, we moved the front tyres to the back and then splashed out on some new soft slicks for the front.

    The day went better from here on. Apart from clipping a barrel on the exit of a chicane and putting a big dent in the rear quarter, stages 3 to 8 pretty much went to plan. The car held together well and we finished 11th overall and took a trophy home for being 2nd in class C.

    Now it's time for a winter check-over. A dent to fix, a leaky gearbox to sort out and an upgrade to the brakes. Our next event will probably be Brands Hatch in January.

    Some pics - cos we all love pics:

    (These were the ones we took off the rear after stage 2...)











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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Did your new oil cooler perform ok mate?

    Going to be giving mine a good test at rockingham in a couple of weeks. I've gone from a 13 to a 25 row!!!

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Well done Jon Another great result

    Car looks good in the photos as well. I like the last photo best.

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by cossie matt View Post

    Going to be giving mine a good test at rockingham in a couple of weeks. I've gone from a 13 to a 25 row!!!
    Won't that depend on how much snow you get??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
    Won't that depend on how much snow you get??!!

    Er I bloody hope not mate!!! But I hear it's a very real possibility. If it does my car will be staying firmly on the trailer LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by cossie matt View Post
    Er I bloody hope not mate!!! But I hear it's a very real possibility. If it does my car will be staying firmly on the trailer LOL
    Good man! i used to be like that with just rain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cossie matt View Post
    Er I bloody hope not mate!!! But I hear it's a very real possibility. If it does my car will be staying firmly on the trailer LOL
    Aye, no use putting it in a barrier for nowt! It's slippery enough there with a bit of drizzle!

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Good result in the end Jon, nice one.

    I'm interested to see which way you decide to go with your brakes - any decisions yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cossie matt View Post
    Did your new oil cooler perform ok mate?

    Going to be giving mine a good test at rockingham in a couple of weeks. I've gone from a 13 to a 25 row!!!
    Hi Matt.

    I went for the 19 row 330mm one in the end. It seemed to do the job, although now it does take a long while to get the oil up to temperature initially. Even with a long period of ticking over and revving it waiting for the start of stage, it was only about 60 degrees as we left the line. The highest I saw was just over 90 degrees in the tank, but it was a fairly chilly day.



    Water temperature seemed OK, although I may need to tape off the radiator on an exceptionally cold day I think.

    If it's really cold at Rockingham do you reckon you might need to blank some of your oil cooler off to get the temp up a bit..? Although your oil tank is in your engine bay so I guess it doesn't get as much chance to lose heat as mine does with all the pipework connecting it from the boot... it seems a difficult thing to get right so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
    Well done Jon Another great result

    Car looks good in the photos as well. I like the last photo best.
    Cheers Paul

    How long till yours hits the stages again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mervhill View Post
    Aye, no use putting it in a barrier for nowt! It's slippery enough there with a bit of drizzle!
    Yeah, my mate Tony had his biggest crash so far in the wet at Rockingham last year in his Mitsubishi Evo. He had a big slide into another car that had already crashed into the pit lane wall...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 360phil View Post
    Good result in the end Jon, nice one.

    I'm interested to see which way you decide to go with your brakes - any decisions yet?
    Cheers. I'm going to go for the 13" AP setup. I'm getting it all from Ian Rix who makes the kits for a lot of the various rally supply places. I'm going to swap to alloy hubs and grp4 studs at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonSegger View Post
    Yeah, my mate Tony had his biggest crash so far in the wet at Rockingham last year in his Mitsubishi Evo. He had a big slide into another car that had already crashed into the pit lane wall...
    Oh really? Yeah that actually caused the stage to be cancelled in the end, was crazy slippery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonSegger View Post
    Hi Matt.

    I went for the 19 row 330mm one in the end. It seemed to do the job, although now it does take a long while to get the oil up to temperature initially. Even with a long period of ticking over and revving it waiting for the start of stage, it was only about 60 degrees as we left the line. The highest I saw was just over 90 degrees in the tank, but it was a fairly chilly day.



    Water temperature seemed OK, although I may need to tape off the radiator on an exceptionally cold day I think.

    If it's really cold at Rockingham do you reckon you might need to blank some of your oil cooler off to get the temp up a bit..? Although your oil tank is in your engine bay so I guess it doesn't get as much chance to lose heat as mine does with all the pipework connecting it from the boot... it seems a difficult thing to get right so far.
    Looking good that install Jon, I've specced for HOT sumers day size so I've had to go across the front.


    I've been putting the miles on my new engine and I'm struggling to get the temps up on these cold days this week but was hoping that when I give it some proper revs and stick it will get hotter but it's definitely much much better.

    I've moved the fan to the engine side as I needed the room. I opted for the 400mm 25 row Setrab cooler, but now the fan isn't in the way I can easily blank off the intake to restrict the air flow. I've got a new 12" Spal pull fan, I was most upset when my faithful Pacet fan finally gave up the ghost after 17 years LOL I bought that for my very first escort, my first car!!

    You gonna pop up to Rockingham for a watch and natter?

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by cossie matt View Post
    ...I was most upset when my faithful Pacet fan finally gave up the ghost after 17 years LOL I bought that for my very first escort, my first car!!

    You gonna pop up to Rockingham for a watch and natter?
    Haha - the Kenlow fan on mine has been in about half a dozen of my Escorts - and it was 2nd hand when I bought it back in the early 90's.

    I'm not going to be able to make Rockingham unfortunately. Family commitments getting in the way. (I need to keep the missus sweet if I'm going to get enough garage time over Christmas to get the car ready for next year.)

    I'm guessing you'll be doing the Brands Hatch one in January? I'm aiming for that one followed by Goodwood 2 weeks later.

    Good luck for Rockingham

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    looking and sounding great mate, remember looking at your build on the rallyesport site
    cracking car

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Cheers! It's nice to get to use it, having spent so long building it.

    Yours seems to be coming on a treat now too...

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    Thanks Jon

    Yes she is fair coming on and like yourself will be used and driven how they should be

    Keep up the good work and enjoyment with yours mate

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    Hi Jon,

    Well done on the result

    Thanks for all your info on the roll cage certificates

    Hope to see you at Brands next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by GavinR View Post
    Hi Jon,

    Well done on the result

    Thanks for all your info on the roll cage certificates

    Hope to see you at Brands next year
    Cheers Gavin - and no worries. Nice to have it all sorted.

    Yes, see you at Brands. I see the regs are out now and entries will be accepted from the 6th December: http://brandshatchstages.co.uk/

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    Will have to get Matt to enter that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by mervhill View Post
    Will have to get Matt to enter that one
    Doh... so that will be Matt and Gavin in the same class as me..? My trophy hopes are fading already...

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    to be honest I don't think Matt will do that one mate, he's considering some Epynt or Otterburn action next year now, going to save his budget for tyres etc for that.

    I'm sure we'll be down to support you guys though!

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    So, a quick update...

    Mark has given the car a good jet wash and we've had the gearbox out to fix the leak. It seems the oil was leaking from where the selector rod comes through the front of the gearbox and into the recess in the bell housing. A new gasket and some liberal use of sealant should fix this hopefully. The box is back in the car now.

    While I was in the workshop, I also got a couple of pics of the dent that we need to push out. Shouldn't be too bad...





    I've submitted our entries for both Brands Hatch and the South Downs Stages at Goodwood - but we're 1st reserve for Brands. Fingers crossed that one of the 80 accepted entrants will pull out beforehand.

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    Hi Jon - if it makes you feel bette, my rear quarter was worse than that, and Shaun at SP Racepaint knocked it out in a couple of hours...

    Keep the updates coming - it saves me from boredom here in China

    Cheers,

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    Re: My mk2 Rally car - Duratec power

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAlex View Post
    Hi Jon - if it makes you feel bette, my rear quarter was worse than that, and Shaun at SP Racepaint knocked it out in a couple of hours...

    Keep the updates coming - it saves me from boredom here in China

    Cheers,

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    Yeah, I'm hoping it will pull back into reasonable shape. My main priority is getting the brakes sorted and the car ready to rally again. I'll sort out the dent if I have time left over. I'll probably just push it out roughly for now and then do a 'proper' job in the summer when I've got more time.

    (Whereabouts in China are you? and what are you up to?)

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