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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Great job getting it sorted. Hopefully you will have many good races with no more problems
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Yeah, if the dry sump belts could just stop snapping. That would be great.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Have you space to fit a wider set of pulleys and a decent strong dry sump drive belt, honestly I think that the usual dry sump belts are just waiting to fail, they are the flimsiest things I have ever seen & they keep the engine together, the only thing I would trust those little belts to drive is a sowing machine lol!

    Good work with the manifold, I was expecting more mid range with the relatively small pipe diameters and long primary lengths you chose, great that the top end is the same as before, very best of luck with it
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    There's your problem.



    Which resulted in this.



    And in turn to this. Some colors in the oil




    NOTE TO SELF: Do not reuse the locking pin on the main axle.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    That is a seriously messed up looking belt and locking pin.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Sure is. But on a I don't predict vast havoc in the bottom end this time. I hope I can get a way with just new big end shells. But the journals may need a polish. Or a regrind even but I'm confident the rods are ok this time around.
    If thats the case I'll be ready for the 2014 sooner than ever before.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    That is unreal bad luck, hope the crank is ok, is that a roll pin driving the rotor? that is a very poor way to turn the rotor with no keyway and one pin, that Will fail again in time, I would be looking at a better pump and wider drive belt if solid reliability is the aim
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Bad luck or bad judgement when reassembling the pump. I don't think its the pumps fault. It has worked fine for three years untill I reassembled it. I think the middle rotor on the axle is not meant to be dismantelled or reassembled with the old pin anyway. It's not a roll pin. It's a solid pin that needed to be tapped to get it in. And the rotor is heat fitted to the axle so its a very tight squeese. Perhaps pulling it out and back again loosend it up and gave some play to the pin. Also the center rotor needs to be located with a pin since it determines the end float. The other two rotors are keyway'd.

    I can't be arsed to fit in a new type of pump, I'll take my chances and fix this one or buy a new similar pump.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    I took off the sump yesterday. It looks like I got of easy. New big end shells and a polish to the journals is needed. And the new pump naturally.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Engine out again


    Mains look good


    Crank looks decent too except this no.3 journal. We shall see if this polishes out



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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Now how nice is that. Polished out perfectly and is as straight as an arrow. And the good fellas of the machine shop tear dropped the galleries too.



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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Finally, some good news.

    Keep at it.

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Looks good , when I was at pace products we did some work for a guy that was running something like 207hp out of the sigma engine .
    They are so light , that why I am putting one in my light weight 3dr sierra I am building ( turbo,d)
    Not long ago I dry sump a sigma in a ford Anglia and I fitted the alt" on the outer edge of the oil pump , fitted well / low slung, and compact ,

    Keep up the good work mate

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    Yeah, if the dry sump belts could just stop snapping. That would be great.

    Sounds like the belt is to tight mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacey View Post
    Sounds like the belt is to tight mate
    I really doub't it. It has work as it is since 2010. It snapped first time for some mysterious reason and again due to me F@cking up the rebuild of the pump. But I will be utilizing the oil pressure alert - function in my ecu. It will shut down the engine as the pressure drops under pre set value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mario r h santos View Post
    Finally, some good news.

    Keep at it.

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    I will, and thanks for the cheer !
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    Hyvältä näyttää ja ammattimaisesti tehty race peli

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    How's things going on mate?

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Well its been quiet in the garage lately. I have ordered new parts but I do believe somethings gone wrong as the new bits have not arrved. But tbh I dont mind since I still have some bills to pay from last summer. No changes will be made to the car. I'll only fix the broken bits and try again (hopefully with better luck) next year.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Just sat and read this whole thread, some good work has been done but with all the problems I think I would have gave up, nice to see you have continued thou

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Thanks mate ! I may well sit the next season out. I have had alot going on in my life during the last 10 months and I may not have it in me to do this season. Nevertheless there's very little that needs to be done with the car and I will get it up and running if I decide to paticipate this year.

    Tending to a minor exhaust manifold tweak today.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    hello im putting a sigma se in my anglia do you still have your old ex manifold if so do you want to sell it thank you

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Nice. Anglia should go wery well with a Sigma in it. Yes I still have it. In fact I have the evo 1 and 2 manifolds. The evo 1 manifold does not have a collector, but if thats not an issue I can sell it to you. If its the evo two, the shorter 4-1 manifold, I'd have to think about it for a while.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    hello how far away from head at longest point thanks

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Maybe I need some information from you as many things change in racing over here in Germany IŽm thinking about a 1,4 Zetec Se built.

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Sure thing mate you can PM me or drop me an email roadsport206@gmail.com Those 1400's can be a true firecracker, but I do think you'll be looking at custom rod and piston set to get most aout of the engine. Theres one works 1400 trophy Puma pushing our 190bhp.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Quote Originally Posted by scott105e View Post
    hello how far away from head at longest point thanks
    I'll do some measuring for you as soon as I get to the car, mate.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    ok thanks

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    the evo 1 streches 22cm our and 50cm down. Evo II 27cm out and 34 down The collector is located beside the engine block so it ts the actual exhaust pipe that needs to bend under the car.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Quote Originally Posted by scott105e View Post
    hello im putting a sigma se in my anglia do you still have your old ex manifold if so do you want to sell it thank you
    Yay, another one.

    I am also putting a Zetec SE in an Anglia but for the road, however it does have an Escort WC front end, five link rear, coilovers all round, type 9 box and still working on the brakes.

    I am using the Puma 1.7 and planning on keeping it standard except for bike throttle bodies, ecu (emerald, omex, canems?) and tubular exhaust.

    Whereabouts are you and do you have pics/blog/website? EDIT Sidcup in sig, look before posting!

    I have deatils of my build on here ifyou are interested - anglia1968.weebly.com

    Finally what are you doing about the rear coolant manifold, using the one on this thread from BJP(are they still about?), anyone know the origin of this one?
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Does anybody know what happened to this thread and its owner?

    Was really enjoying the read!!!

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Hi Shaunster

    Had one rough year on track and off track. Pretty much lost my interest on this car. All tough I know it's not an unreliable car and the DNF's were due to epic, epic, bad luck. I've had my share of engine outs and ins. As it stands the engine is out and only needs a new set of big end bearings. The dry sump pump is overhauled by Titan so hopefully no pump/lubrication related issues anymore. Still need to see why the right hand rear wheel bearing broke on the dyno. Thinking of measuring the bearing housing roundness. It may have warped while welding the caliper brackets in.
    Anyway all of this has been on hold for a year and a half now due to no motivation.

    I decided I need to bring back the fun in motoring and decided to do something completely different. Started a -89 Mustang v8 project which keeps me busy for a long while. Now I know this kinda thing is not you're cup of tea. But I wanted something simple to work on and reliable. Tired of squeezing every last bit of horsepower from a tiny engine. 331 CID V8 provides more than enough power with moderate CR and reasonable rpm's. Aiming for long service life and some fun on track and hopefully off track too. A friend of mine said :" If you have large enough bucket you don't need to fill it to the top."
    Keeping two cars may prove too tough so the Escort will be for sale sooner or later.

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Started a -89 Mustang v8 project which keeps me busy for a long while. Now I know this kinda thing is not you're cup of tea. But I wanted something simple to work on and reliable. Tired of squeezing every last bit of horsepower from a tiny engine. 331 CID V8 provides more than enough power with moderate CR and reasonable rpm's. Aiming for long service life and some fun on track and hopefully off track too. A friend of mine said :" If you have large enough bucket you don't need to fill it to the top.
    i totally understand where your coming from

    and a mustang is absolutely my cup of tea so get posting

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    Thanks Graham. Let's see about the build thread. As of now I only have a pile of cardboard boxes, a bent shell and a plan.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    i dont know about you but i tend to find i get to the point of development where the effort and stress is out of all proportion to the gain, and feel like im permanently pushing an elephant up hill. usually at that point i have a change of direction, usually something simplier and lower speced, and i enjoy myself again, then the development starts again and at some point we go full circle

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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Ha! That's bound to happen ! But I'm deffo done with fuel injection and dry sump stuff (for now). I hope this behemoth will provide a whole new set of challenges. Instead of trying to get power out of a tiny engine the challenge is to get this hulk turning and gripping. So the engine needs to be reliable to do some serious testing and suspension development.
    I'll be competing in the same championship as I have for 13 years but in the V8 class. Fox body will go to the light weight class. I'll be aiming for the minimum weight of 1150kg's (and 400bhp). The issue will be tyre width. The "tiny" V8's maximum tyre size is 225/45 - 17. So tyre wear and getting the best out of them will be the challenge.
    And like you said, if I get the gripp I'll want more power and loose the grip and start again...
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    I put the engine up for sale if anyone's interrested. If it sells I could still keep the escort. Which is also reluctantly for sale .
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    The thread is still here ! Took a trip down the memory lane and figured IŽd update this thread. So the Escort was sold and after a few good seasons It was sold again. This time It got chopped and modified so bad basically only the roof was left untouched. So pretty much the car I knew is pret debut seasonty much gone and done for. The engine did goog for the new owner. Even took one championship ! It still exists and is for sale once again. It was replaced by a Duratec.
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    Re: Escort Sigma 1600 Race Car

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    i dont know about you but i tend to find i get to the point of development where the effort and stress is out of all proportion to the gain, and feel like im permanently pushing an elephant up hill. usually at that point i have a change of direction, usually something simplier and lower speced, and i enjoy myself again, then the development starts again and at some point we go full circle
    Boy did I go this full circle during this build =)
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