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    Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Just about to pick up a 2.2 pinto short block from Naismith's as per the Classic Ford 2012 article

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    How much for all the work?

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    pm sent

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    If I remember well, it's chrysler piston ?

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Yes, correct the spec is as follows:
    93mm hypereutectic cast ( what ever that means) Chrysler Voyager pistons
    steel H beam silver top Zetec rods
    offset ground pinto crank.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    whats the advantage of that combo ? is it just availability of new parts ?

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Yes, availability of new parts and less time spent having to machine engine parts

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    Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Is the article a comprehensive guide or a gloss over ?
    I can't see it on mine.


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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    I'll try and scan and upload a pdf of the article

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    Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post

    I may have the mag 


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    managed to scan the article from Classic Ford see attached


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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    thanks saved and shall have a read later.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Good read, and cheaper than I expected!

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    A very interesting read, especially regarding their cam grinding skills.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    [QUOTE=rustyshell;3356505]Just about to pick up a 2.2 pinto short block from Naismith's as per the Classic Ford 2012 article

    Have you got this in and running yet? Very interesting read.

    I have 2 sets of 1.6 Diesel Fiesta conrods and 2 cranks here, ready to do a 2.2 build. I haven't bought any pistons yet and yours does sound a good combination.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    No not yet, still busy working on the shell see my other resto thread glens rs2000 . Only just managed to get an efi head which will need work.

    Like you I have a set of fiesta rods and 2.8 pistons but decided to go the Naismith route instead.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by rustyshell View Post
    No not yet, still busy working on the shell see my other resto thread glens rs2000 . Only just managed to get an efi head which will need work.

    Like you I have a set of fiesta rods and 2.8 pistons but decided to go the Naismith route instead.
    Thank you for the reply.
    I also have an EFI head that I sent to Vulcan to be reworked to their Stage 1 spec. It's now fitted with a FR30 cam, as was looking for some good road manners too.
    This is currently fitted to the engine that's in my car now and it really improved the way it drives, at all rev ranges.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Vulcan will build a complete 2.3 bottom end with a steel crank, forged pistons and steel rods for £2900 exchange, i reckon thats a great price, no offset ground crank or smaller big end diesel rods etc!

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    Vulcan will build a complete 2.3 bottom end with a steel crank, forged pistons and steel rods for £2900 exchange, i reckon thats a great price, no offset ground crank or smaller big end diesel rods etc!
    Thanks for this info, it lets the other users know whats available for big bore conversions (mine cost approx £1700 for Naismith 2.2pinto )

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    Vulcan will build a complete 2.3 bottom end with a steel crank, forged pistons and steel rods for £2900 exchange, i reckon thats a great price, no offset ground crank or smaller big end diesel rods etc!
    thats certainly a great price, sadly wont be an uk made parts in it for that price though

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Sure does, Farndon crank, £2900 + vat exchange that is

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Really, exchange. What do they exchange it for then.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Eh, a std pinto bottom end that’ll be. As per!

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Billet steel Farndon crank for a std pinto bottom end.... I just don't get the sense it that.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Why is that then? Better than offset grinding a cast one and having to use a smaller big end bearing / rod. Plus they aren’t too expensive. Less machining and a nicer quality crank. It’s not a std pinto bottom end, it’s a 2.3 bottom end with forged pistons and steel rods, have you read the posts at all?
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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    And you can get 9bolt flywheel ones so you don’t have to dowel the flywheel

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    Why is that then? Better than offset grinding a cast one and having to use a smaller big end bearing / rod. Plus they aren’t too expensive. Less machining and a nicer quality crank.
    I get that lot.

    I just can't understand why they'd want an old cast crank in exchange.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    . It’s not a std pinto bottom end, it’s a 2.3 bottom end with forged pistons and steel rods, have you read the posts at all?
    Yes I have, but maybe I've also misunderstood parts of it... You were specifically talking about a crank in part ex for a full standard bottom end.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Vulcan build all sorts of pintos not just big cc ones, so id imagine they'd take std parts in exchange to allow them to be used for other builds, kinda makes sense and is often the case. i didnt really ask too much about what they wanted to do with the exchange std bottom end, only made inquiries into the detail of the new bottom end spec.

    I actually love you, which is even odder, just the questions are a bit annoying given it aint rocket science.
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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by rallyrob View Post
    I get that lot.

    I just can't understand why they'd want an old cast crank in exchange.
    the crank manufacture wont want on old pinto crank in exchange, but vulcan will want a bottom end in exchange, ok they wont use a pinto crank in a 2.3 but it will come in handy for rebuilding something some time, one day even standard pinto cranks will be rare enough to be worth ££££.

    you seen the prices of pintos lately, on time people used to give me engines, now they are asking £200-£300 for a standard non injection nothing special used 2.0 lump

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Yup, you used to get injection pintos compete for £50

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    Vulcan build all sorts of pintos not just big cc ones, so id imagine they'd take std parts in exchange to allow them to be used for other builds, kinda makes sense and is often the case. i didnt really ask too much about what they wanted to do with the exchange std bottom end, only made inquiries into the detail of the new bottom end spec.

    I actually love you, which is even odder, just the questions are a bit annoying given it aint rocket science.
    Apologies as I was making reference to your specific quote on a farndon crank being £2900 and was wondering why Farndon would want an old crank, not realising you were also making reference to the Vulcan 2.3...
    And doing it on my phone is also a pain. Much prefer the pc. Easier for adding quotes.
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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    The engine in this post is really good value too.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    What make of steel rods and pistons are Vulcan using in the 2.3 Pinto for £2900? Is the price they quoted you for a short motor built up with bearings etc fitted? I would image a Farndon crank alone is now approx £1400 and £600 each for both a set of pistons and rods. It's very good value if you can somehow get everything all in for the quoted price of £2900.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    They use Pec rods and Wossner pistons, fully built, it’s around £2100 for parts and the rest is labour for machining and assembly. Their prices are always really good, I was around £4500 last time Steve did a compete engine for me that I assembled. Stage 4 head, rebore l&b, cam kit etc, basically everything I needed to build a 190hp tall engine. Plus vat remember

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    They use Pec rods and Wossner pistons, fully built, it’s around £2100 for parts and the rest is labour for machining and assembly. Their prices are always really good, I was around £4500 last time Steve did a compete engine for me that I assembled. Stage 4 head, rebore l&b, cam kit etc, basically everything I needed to build a 190hp tall engine. Plus vat remember
    That explains it then, I wondered about the Pec rod and Wossner piston combination. An engine builder offered me a new set of Pistons and rods the same as those a couple of years ago for approx £600. I chose to use YB rods instead that I already had instead of the Pec rods that possibly came from China.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    PEC are a uk company who manufacture here to excellent QA stds, they are used by lots of well respected and proven engine builders. Same goes for Wossner, better quality than most id say, I think you might be confusing them with the knock of Chinese rods on eBay. You’d be doing well to get a set of Pec rods and forged pistons for £600. Think I paid £1000 at the time for 136mm long rods and short 92mm Wossner pistons. Sounds like you are not familiar with PEC then? I’ve seen their R&D destructive testing reports and their development QC and testing is as good as the likes of Accralite, Cosworth, Farndon etc. I also prefer the rod ratio to cossie rods, lighter too. Pec rods are made from AISI En24 steel, heat treated to HRC38 and shot peened then finely balanced, good kit!
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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Pec might be a UK company but can you prove that their rods are manufactured here? The engine builder that was doing the rods and pistons for £600 could not guarantee where the rods were made so I had the Wossner pistons and left the rods where they were. I already had a brand new set of YB rods that were bought circa 1987 and never used in an engine so to me it was a no brainer not to use them.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    Yes, the original forgings come from Sweden and the final machining is done here. You can get all the data sheets.

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    Re: Naismith Pinto 2.2 engine

    completed engine collected from HPE Jeff & James today........its one of their BVH sat on top of the Naismith Block.

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