the dvla and logbook problems, age related or Q plate.

[Warrior]

My dad was buying a mk1 Mexico off a friend that’s he’s known for a long time. This is 1 of 3 mk1’s the guy has, he rally’s and has done for the last 40 years or so.

the one my dad was buying is an old rally car lots of history a now out of date msa logbook.

it still has a 1600 cross flow 4 speed box ect but the engine number is different to the log book. It’s a rally car I’d be very surprised if it’s not had a few engines and Shells over the years.

my dads mate applied to the dvla for a new log book with the correct engine number (has the old log book still in his name and address ect,

they then sent a standard letter asking for pictures of this and that on the car, the car is in primer but a full dry build befor it will be stripped for paint.

thery weren’t satisfied with the pictures for some reason and asked to view the car, not a problem it’s a genuine car ect 90% compleate sat next to 2 other mk1 cars.

tgey have been and inspected the car and said it has to go on a Q plate and have a sva test when complete and can never have a age related plate again. This can only mean they have doubt over its history ect.

has anyone come across this and knows how to get it sorted, I did see a thread the other day about a SA import haveing a similar problemcoukd it be as simple as getting proof of build date?

[katana]

With what you have said, is it any wonder they have doubts over its history! The inspectors don't know you or your friend who could be professional ringers - the car doesn't have a documented on road history so anything you say can't be proven - even a build date only applies to the original registration which, in their eyes, may or may not be that car! Importing a car isn't quite the same as it was never registered here so effectively has never existed and so as long as a manufacture date can be established it can receive an age related plate! It is a crazy system that is screwing people over but dems da rules!

[Graham]

agree with above really, without the original engine number present and most likely original vin tags or stamped body shell numbers missing and probably a car much modified from standard with the original mexico trim long gone it isnt surprising they dont think its the same car, the onus is on you to prove it is, not they other way round

[Warrior]

The original tags chassis numbers are there, the car last did a rally in 2010 so not that long ago and was worn at the end of the season,

I know what your saying about we could be ringers, but it’s all the genuine people that suffer now from people ringing cars or selling log books

[waverunner]

So the DVLA are sending personnel to peoples homes now? I hope they have a whole range of employees who know each and every classic car out there inside out, sounds a bit dubious to me.......

[Ken B]

So the DVLA are sending personnel to peoples homes now? I hope they have a whole range of employees who know each and every classic car out there inside out, sounds a bit dubious to me.......

Been doing it for a few years now. They use a third party company called SGS who are not as green as they are cabbage looking as the saying goes.

[Graham]

Been doing it for a few years now. .

yeah, its not something that new, they sent someone out to check out my uncles motorcycle that must of been 20 years ago if not more

[Warrior]

So the DVLA are sending personnel to peoples homes now? I hope they have a whole range of employees who know each and every classic car out there inside out, sounds a bit dubious to me.......

Yes they send an inspector, but there not specialists in any particular car,

[Warrior]

The end of this is, they have revoked the registration number and will never be issued on a car again,

[Graham]

The end of this is, they have revoked the registration number and will never be issued on a car again,

shame.

i suppose what we should all be looking at doing is getting the v5 doc BEFORE carrying out any work. ive got a rover P6 here, which i shall do the same with, make sure i get a v5 in my name before i do anything to it

[rallyrob]

I'm hoping I don't have this problem with my car. It was last mot'd and taxed in 2005 or 06 I think, can't remember which. I'm pretty sure I've got the latest style V5 issued in about 08 roughly. It's been sorn since 07 I think and I've owned it since 1988...
And quite frankly I have no idea when it'll be back on the road again. At the rate I'm going probably not for another 10 years...

[rallyrob]

I know it wouldn't be it's original plate but couldn't it be put on a private plate of the same year...?
I don't know how they can say it can't have another age related plate if that were a private plate. I always thought that was the point of being able to put a private plate on a vehicle.

[Warrior]

shame.

i suppose what we should all be looking at doing is getting the v5 doc BEFORE carrying out any work. ive got a rover P6 here, which i shall do the same with, make sure i get a v5 in my name before i do anything to it

He had the logbook in his name, has been in his name over 10 years at his home address. The assessor has said somthing like, the cars had to much work done and must have an sva test,

[Warrior]

I know it wouldn't be it's original plate but couldn't it be put on a private plate of the same year...?
I don't know how they can say it can't have another age related plate if that were a private plate. I always thought that was the point of being able to put a private plate on a vehicle.

You can put a private private plate on a car solong as it looks the same age or older, but I don’t think you can put a private plate on a Q registered car.

[Warrior]

This is a little different and just a thought,

If you bought a new mk2 shell new engine new everything, could you not have an sva test and get a new age related plate say an 68 plate of done next month?

[alancdavis]

I think the DVLA make it up as they go along

[katana]

This is a little different and just a thought,

If you bought a new mk2 shell new engine new everything, could you not have an sva test and get a new age related plate say an 68 plate of done next month?

Not unless EVERYTHING used on the car was brand new - not refurbished - NEW! And its unlikely a 'new' shell would pass an SVA test with all the angles and sharp edges!

[Ken B]

This is a little different and just a thought,

If you bought a new mk2 shell new engine new everything, could you not have an sva test and get a new age related plate say an 68 plate of done next month?

You would have to prove by receipt absolutely everything you used and document the build completely to even get close to that. As Katana says its unlikely the shell itself will pass anyway.

[wildo105e]

Did the owner of qualife do it with an rs200. He did buy up all the old stock from ford though so all new parts technically.

[alladdin]

my dads mate applied to the dvla for a new log book with the correct engine number (has the old log book still in his name and address ect,

why dis he not send the log book off to be modified ? maybe that was the trigger

[Warrior]

why dis he not send the log book off to be modified ? maybe that was the trigger

The car had been used for rallying for a long time, has an msa logbook aswell and has been off the road since 2010, it’s an historic spec car, even has the original cc engine still

Modifications where done years ago befor he had it, it was a spair car for him,

If what the dvla say is right then most escorts been used today should be on a Q plate.

[alladdin]

Agree with all you say But

That doesn't answer the question I posed.


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[wildo105e]

Only if they been off the road for years and suddenly appear again. If it was a standard road car it would probably be ok as the integrity of the whole car is there and the inspector can see that.

[Ken B]

The car had been used for rallying for a long time, has an msa logbook aswell and has been off the road since 2010, it’s an historic spec car, even has the original cc engine still

Modifications where done years ago befor he had it, it was a spair car for him,

If what the dvla say is right then most escorts been used today should be on a Q plate.

You are probably right but as you applied for a new log book with a different engine number rather than sending off the original for alteration, or at least thats how your original post reads, you rang the biggest bell DVLA have got.

[Warrior]

You are probably right but as you applied for a new log book with a different engine number rather than sending off the original for alteration, or at least thats how your original post reads, you rang the biggest bell DVLA have got.

Sorry, having read through this I did not really explain how it came about,


He did not apply for a new logbook, he tried to change the engine number on the original log book, hence he would be given a new log book with the new number,

[waverunner]

If a new Mk2 shell will not pass an SVA test and it obviously doesn’t have any history, where does that leave them?

[Warrior]

If a new Mk2 shell will not pass an SVA test and it obviously doesn’t have any history, where does that leave them?

Grey area depends how you read it, if parts at replace on a like for like bassis then they don’t count towards the points system with a Q plate.

But there’s a 60% rule she’ll is more than 60% of the car.

Like if you replace a sill on a car and was spot welded from factory it can be spot welded again and doesn’t have to be seam welded, again all how the tester reads the book tho.