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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    there is an ebay seller in Australia who is always banging on about his Taiwanese supplier but so far appears not have have come up with any goods. It's possible I suppose....
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Found this on Rallyesport escorts (posted by Mexcio Mark)


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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    this is the very same tawanese who tried to nick my wings, went to huge trouble to try to get them but didnt, he had them for sale on e bay and as mine were delayed he pulled his off, and on again and off, but he never got any, he even came to uk and ireland bragging about being able to sell them,( i even got nasty e mails from certain panel dealers sayin they were to be the uk suppliers etc etc,, and to back off, cheek of them and i knew it,), was in cahoots with an aussie firm,, and then backstabbed the oz guy,, one thing i can guarantee you,, i too have priced tooling for a shell, anf i bet mine would be half the price of his,, i just cant finance it all on my own, there was a mk1 shipped to taiwan but it came from austrailia,, not uk as the article suggest,, unless there are 2 taiwanese firms at escorts,, which i doubt, as the same firm were into mustangs too, there are lots of rumours in this game,, but as u all know,, im pretty close to the ground with this stuff as i am in the game,, there is something fishy about this,, i know the guy who sent the shell to taiwan from oz,, and up till now he hasnt proceded,,

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    be sure to keep any nice e-mails you got sent.might be handy in the future.love to know what company warned you off,just so they can be avoided.looks like the economy might be getting worse so best to do the 1/4's and doors next good luck and keep us informed.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    guess so,, yes quarters are next if i can manage it,, i will have confirmed price in a few days,, then its all go if its viable,, im looking to keep them under the 300 mark .. so all depends on the tooling price,, its a large panel, but we will see,,

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by old skool racer View Post
    guess so,, yes quarters are next if i can manage it,, i will have confirmed price in a few days,, then its all go if its viable,, im looking to keep them under the 300 mark .. so all depends on the tooling price,, its a large panel, but we will see,,
    Keep up the good work with everything you are working on !!

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I agree. You are obviously a very driven and dedicated man. I am very impressed with your efforts on this and your willingness to take a risk. Top work.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    thanks guys,, i will keep it up,, i love my escorts,, watch this space,, i just got myself a mk1 and mk2 in philippines and have found a guy who is 3 yrs restoring a mk2 mex, so the build will begin as soon as i go back,,

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Any news on the MK2 escort rear quarters

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by HOSSMAN View Post
    Any news on the MK2 escort rear quarters
    he told me at the classic ford show they had the finance sorted for the 1/4's .no date mentioned though.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Are the reproduction MK1 & MK2 inner wings listed on ebay anything to do with you?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    not heard from him since the summer re the 1/4's.i don't know who's behind making the inner wings.
    the more individual parts are made the more there's a chance that shells might get made in the future .pity the world finances are in such a mess.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    There were complete mk1 floor pan assemblies on there too from same people

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Seems that the quality of those inner wings on e bay ( probably Far East production ) is really poor and none of the perfectionist restorers would like to fit them.

    Atnthentop of that, I wonder if they fit correct because if they do not then it does not only a create a geometry problem it also creates a serious fitting problem as far as the other related panels such as the slam panel, wings, front panel.

    I would really be happy to hear and see some positive remarks and comments among better photos ( than the ones at e bay ) here for these sensibly priced inner wings.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by hawk1903 View Post
    Seems that the quality of those inner wings on e bay ( probably Far East production ) is really poor and none of the perfectionist restorers would like to fit them.

    Atnthentop of that, I wonder if they fit correct because if they do not then it does not only a create a geometry problem it also creates a serious fitting problem as far as the other related panels such as the slam panel, wings, front panel.

    I would really be happy to hear and see some positive remarks and comments among better photos ( than the ones at e bay ) here for these sensibly priced inner wings.
    If you have a look at the "inner wing" post elsewhere on here then first impressions are quite good.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Hi there,
    I restore/modify escorts for a living, my standards are very high (check my posts for the quality of work)
    I have a set of these inner wings for a mk1, they are made by magnum, first impressions are very good, i will be trial fitting them to my own shell before I try them on a customers, jobs of this mature I do on a jig to ensure correction measurements, I have no tie in with magnum and have to buy from all the same suppliers as everyone else,
    Cheers,
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Hello David,
    Hello James,

    Thank you for the replies. I would only be happy to hear and see that the quality of these inner wings from Magnum are really good. The price is just more than right in my opinion so if the quality is there I will happily buy these inner wings.
    I/we am also restoring and rally preparing our own Escorts and customer's cars and have been using Ex pressed panels full inner wings or top replacement panels so far.

    Look forward to see some installed inner wing photos when all the related panels in place as soon as possible.

    James,

    Which are the posts that I can see some of your work ?

    Btw, I have probably the only never registered brand new 1.3 Mk2 Escort bodyshell still in hand.

    Merry Christmas to all friends,

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    any updates on the rear quarters for mk1 or 2 escorts
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Biggest problem with anything you get build in China or Taiwan. These people don't know anything about fair business. I see the same here. You send a part, pay for the development and then they sell the parts very cheap to anyone. But you can't sell so cheap because you payed for the tooling. And this can be 100 times higher than the product you get.

    Second problem, you start advertising your product here, they always try to watch you website, see the prices you try to sell and raise there prices. Not knowing we need to pay a lot more taxes as they do.

    I've got contact with many large German suppliers and they don't want to send anything to China or Taiwan anymore because of the bad experiences.

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    Old Skool Racer, beware they don't mess with you.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I wish i had the cash for a complete mk1 shell, is this little venture still going ahead?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I was told that ford were not too happy with someone starting to reproduce new shells and would take action if they did! does anyone know different?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    if ford had any sence they would be backing the scheme

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    ford have no interest in keeping old escorts going, they are only interesting in selling new cars

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    Think they may have some interest but would it not be more awkward for them (sva, type approval,whatever, sort of thing)

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    Does anyone know the shipping cost of a shell from china? Or anything of that size etc
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe-Tait View Post
    Does anyone know the shipping cost of a shell from china? Or anything of that size etc
    Depends on how many your moving, the best way would be to fill a container top to bottom with them
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    You must be able to get nearly all the panels to make your own! seems to be a lot more available! not seen any doors though or someone making them now?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by micraman View Post
    I was told that ford were not too happy with someone starting to reproduce new shells and would take action if they did! does anyone know different?
    you reckon ???

    fomoco's profits would more than triple if anyone who owned or used a ford only used gen ford parts for service or repair, i have bought the other day front and rear pads for a new shape transit and a screen and non of the bots came from ford,if they were bothered about shells then they wouldn't let anyone make cheep parts for a current production vehicle they sell

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Ford got the hump with firms making decals for the mk 1 and mk2 rs models that i do know as i use to do business with a chap who use to make them! there is a difference with making panels and a bodyshell and although ford have no interest sure they soon would if someone was making money out of there product as they will still hold copyright! i for one would love ford to have a heritage division knocking out shells etc as mg have! As for parts for modern cars these are made under license
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    you will find that someone possibly contacted ford and offered them money to replicate stuff,i'm sure if the irishman offered ford 2 grand a shell to sell them as official they would be yeee hawing in detroit.
    like i say ford has lost billions in revenue due to people just deciding to knock out everything from stickers to wings etc......

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzy felt View Post
    you reckon ???

    fomoco's profits would more than triple if anyone who owned or used a ford only used gen ford parts for service or repair, i have bought the other day front and rear pads for a new shape transit and a screen and non of the bots came from ford,if they were bothered about shells then they wouldn't let anyone make cheep parts for a current production vehicle they sell
    you can make and sell a cover for an ipad,or screws for it, you cant make and sell ipads tho ?

    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzy felt View Post
    you will find that someone possibly contacted ford and offered them money to replicate stuff,i'm sure if the irishman offered ford 2 grand a shell to sell them as official they would be yeee hawing in detroit.
    like i say ford has lost billions in revenue due to people just deciding to knock out everything from stickers to wings etc......
    it would cost them more in insurance against the lawsuits.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Thats true ford have lost millions with companies knocking ther products out! thats why you would think they would use this as a oppotunity to cash in! but they dont seem to botherd at the moment! but you do have to get there permission to reproduce decals for a small fee if your a ligitimate business! ford have said they do not have the tooling to reproduce shells nor have they any interest but as you say the are missing out on millions. good luck to anyone who can supply shells they will make a fortune! and im sure ford will want there cut,
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    1960's mustang shells got made ok so why not mk1/2 escot shells ?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post
    you can make and sell a cover for an ipad,or screws for it, you cant make and sell ipads tho ?



    it would cost them more in insurance against the lawsuits.
    " man killed in dodgy chinese copy of 1960 car "
    I work for a British company that makes life support equipment, anaesthesia & ventilators etc.
    There are about 6 large 'western' companies that dominate the market, you may of heard of G.E. (Massive U.S. Company) & Drager (big German company).

    Anyway my point is that ALL of the companies have current & obsolete products copied by dozens of Chinese manufacturer & its sold all over the world.
    Some of the products look identical right down to 'real' company branding. Quality is often poor but its money that talks & I am not aware of even one case of litigation due to someone using a copied product. Remember GE is a massive conglomerate so its not down to lack of resources & its very hard to prove someone died because the product was a 'copy'.

    If someone crashed & died in my escort it would it be 'man dies in 1970's car repaired many times with dozens of dodgy patern repair panels from 'god knows where'

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    i think you missed my point.

    or are you saying GE put their approval on these products and sell as genuine for a couple of quid commission each ?

    i dont doubt shells are coming, i hope so anyway. i just dont think ford would ever get involved.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    no but they should give there blessing it would look good on ford

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post
    you can make and sell a cover for an ipad,or screws for it, you cant make and sell ipads tho ?



    it would cost them more in insurance against the lawsuits.
    " man killed in dodgy chinese copy of 1960 car "
    i'm not into i pads but i suspect ford motor company sell thousands more different products than a phone company ever will,you try keeping tabs on every single item ford sells that can be copied

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by 3hotrod1 View Post
    no but they should give there blessing it would look good on ford
    about 12 years ago fomoco used a silver mk2 escort that was group 4 ish to sell products that were made by one of these modern companys and had the lot in a brochure for rs parts,i'm certain they were tarmac arches and compomotive ml alloys that even had a part number so i know that ford will when it suits use companys that replicate stuff and get a cut.
    and that is for sure before anyone questions me.

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