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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    Problem is it would have to be a Q-plate, next problem is getting them into the country without them being seized as counterfit as Ford defo wouldn't have permitted them to produce these under license, that being said, if they are goo quality and I can pay on delivery i'll take 2, suddenly all the log books start getting snapped up and these are being sold off as genuine Ford cars, not good....although it will probably push up the value on the real cars.
    This always comes up regarding Ford. It appears to be non-issue. Only thing to go on is legal precedent in this type of thing..

    Various car manufacturers have been to court to block or limit the sale of copied parts in the past with little success.
    From the outcomes of these court cases (not just in the UK) it appears that as long as the parts do not carry the OEM logos or markings there isn't much they can do to stop it.

    Complete fibreglass Mk1 escort shells have been available for some time, if Ford were going to make a fuss about copied shells of a 40+ year old design they probably would have done it already. Have ford made a noise about the Magnum panels? It seems there is little basis in law for them to do this now anyway

    A UK or EU Community registered design can last up to 25 years, a UK unregistered design right only lasts for 10 years, with an Community unregistered design having an even shorter lifespan of 3 years.

    These things are unlikely to have ford logos are they!

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by para144 View Post
    This always comes up regarding Ford. It appears to be non-issue. Only thing to go on is legal precedent in this type of thing..

    Various car manufacturers have been to court to block or limit the sale of copied parts in the past with little success.
    From the outcomes of these court cases (not just in the UK) it appears that as long as the parts do not carry the OEM logos or markings there isn't much they can do to stop it.

    Complete fibreglass Mk1 escort shells have been available for some time, if Ford were going to make a fuss about copied shells of a 40+ year old design they probably would have done it already. Have ford made a noise about the Magnum panels? It seems there is little basis in law for them to do this now anyway

    A UK or EU Community registered design can last up to 25 years, a UK unregistered design right only lasts for 10 years, with an Community unregistered design having an even shorter lifespan of 3 years.

    These things are unlikely to have ford logos are they!
    Yeah true but im not sure where complete body shells lie with regards to them being just parts??, The RSR Mk1 Escorts are not a direct copy, SHP make their own space frames and bodyshells which appearance wise are quite different from the originals, im not sure how the Chinese shells would get around iso standards either, i guess its possible to get them in but i can pretty much gaurentee that it wont be an easy process.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    Yeah true but im not sure where complete body shells lie with regards to them being just parts??, The RSR Mk1 Escorts are not a direct copy, SHP make their own space frames and bodyshells which appearance wise are quite different from the originals, im not sure how the Chinese shells would get around iso standards either, i guess its possible to get them in but i can pretty much gaurentee that it wont be an easy process.
    The original shells were supplied as parts by Ford 'service shell', a new log book wasn't required because it was a spare part.

    In any case - "A UK or EU Community registered design can last up to 25 years, a UK unregistered design right only lasts for 10 years, with an Community unregistered design having an even shorter lifespan of 3 years". A product that's been out of production for 30 - 40 years?

    Who are Ford going to sue over a part for a 40 year old car? BMW failed to get anywhere in court even when a Chinese car manufacture is making a working copy of the BMW X5.

    I work in the life support equipment business, our anaesthetics machines, vaporizers & ventilators are copied in China along with all of our competitors products. Nobody has been able to stop it. My company is small & but one of our main competitors is GE, another is Drager - imagine the clout they have! (or not in these cases).

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by para144 View Post
    The original shells were supplied as parts by Ford 'service shell', a new log book wasn't required because it was a spare part.

    In any case - "A UK or EU Community registered design can last up to 25 years, a UK unregistered design right only lasts for 10 years, with an Community unregistered design having an even shorter lifespan of 3 years". A product that's been out of production for 30 - 40 years?

    Who are Ford going to sue over a part for a 40 year old car? BMW failed to get anywhere in court even when a Chinese car manufacture is making a working copy of the BMW X5.

    I work in the life support equipment business, our anaesthetics machines, vaporizers & ventilators are copied in China along with all of our competitors products. Nobody has been able to stop it. My company is small & but one of our main competitors is GE, another is Drager - imagine the clout they have! (or not in these cases).

    I would say its not just an issue with Ford though, there could be problems with govt bodies, counterfeit act etc., my friend owns a company that import beauty industry product from China...teeth whitening machines, tanning equipment etc and he has an absolute nightmare, he's been battling through the courts for the last 5years to keep his business operating. Im not saying it cant be done but I would imagine someone would be on the case straight away.............knowing the bureaucracy in the UK there will be something somewhere that will put the blockers on this. This topic has been spoken about for years and we haven't seen one land in the Uk yet.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by para144 View Post
    The original shells were supplied as parts by Ford 'service shell', a new log book wasn't required because it was a spare part.

    In any case - "A UK or EU Community registered design can last up to 25 years, a UK unregistered design right only lasts for 10 years, with an Community unregistered design having an even shorter lifespan of 3 years". A product that's been out of production for 30 - 40 years?

    Who are Ford going to sue over a part for a 40 year old car? BMW failed to get anywhere in court even when a Chinese car manufacture is making a working copy of the BMW X5.

    I work in the life support equipment business, our anaesthetics machines, vaporizers & ventilators are copied in China along with all of our competitors products. Nobody has been able to stop it. My company is small & but one of our main competitors is GE, another is Drager - imagine the clout they have! (or not in these cases).
    Copied in China but sold where?, not in the UK I bet, anyone can copy something but exporting and selling in a country like the UK is a complete different matter.
    I do a lot of work with Drager and GE, I know GE had supply chain issues a few years back but I doubt you will find any Chinese copied products here, most companies buying those kind of products here have very tight procurement procedures...Fpal etc.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by gary_aka_jimmy View Post
    Attachment 75611Attachment 75612Attachment 75613

    New Shells may be here pretty soon
    is it me or does there look like a chopped up yellow mk2 in the background in pic 3?http://www.turbosport.co.uk/attachme...chmentid=75613
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    Copied in China but sold where?, not in the UK I bet, anyone can copy something but exporting and selling in a country like the UK is a complete different matter.
    I do a lot of work with Drager and GE, I know GE had supply chain issues a few years back but I doubt you will find any Chinese copied products here, most companies buying those kind of products here have very tight procurement procedures...Fpal etc.
    Might we be in the same job? I'm in Anaesthesia, ventilation & Monitors.

    I don't mean fake parts in the OEM supply chain, I mean copied products being sold independently. I've come across plenty of 'lookalike' stuff in use in the UK, the most common ones with my company products are copy patient monitor accessories like SPO2 finger probes etc but we see all sorts. I proved to someone that their absorber was a copy of a GE item when I showed him the parts are interchangeable!

    Here is a good example, one photo shows a Genuine OEM vaporizer & one is a Chinese fake (that doesn't work properly) - Which one is which?



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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by para144 View Post
    Might we be in the same job? I'm in Anaesthesia, ventilation & Monitors.

    I don't mean fake parts in the OEM supply chain, I mean copied products being sold independently. I've come across plenty of 'lookalike' stuff in use in the UK, the most common ones with my company products are copy patient monitor accessories like SPO2 finger probes etc but we see all sorts. I proved to someone that their absorber was a copy of a GE item when I showed him the parts are interchangeable!

    Here is a good example, one photo shows a Genuine OEM vaporizer & one is a Chinese fake (that doesn't work properly) - Which one is which?


    No mate, I'm a Maintenance Superintedent in the offshore oil industry, we buy our fire team breathing apparatus from Drager and turbine and electrical equipment from GE, my sister is a Product Manager for Thermo Fisher Scientific in the States tho, she's more in your line of work.
    I've emailed the Chinese company...will wait and see what they come back with.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    another issue might be getting the shells ,when fully built for road cars, insured ? might they bring into doubt the shells strength/built quality etc ? i hope not.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by morcheen View Post
    another issue might be getting the shells ,when fully built for road cars, insured ? might they bring into doubt the shells strength/built quality etc ? i hope not.
    as for strength /build quality, compaired to what? a rusty 40 year old shell which has been patched and bodged to death with substandard repairs, theres no issue insuring them

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Ok so, I have been emailed a rep. for Suyang a few times this morning, the company is producing shells for a UK customer who has invested in all the moulds, however, with similar investment and a decent order number the shells could be made, I guess this would be an ideal place for people to get together to place an order, its more than likely Suyang will produce these exclusively (investment size dependent i suppose) for their UK customer, there are a number of other companies that could be approached in China that do similar work, i'm also in the process of looking at other companies closer to the Uk with a view to reducing shipping costs, import duties, I have a few contacts in Poland....sourcing within the EU would massively reduce import costs....im also wondering if it would be simpler shipping as kits rather than complete assembled body shells.

    Thinking about the business aspects of this kind of thing, there is no way you can protect it, if this becomes popular / profitable then its only a matter of time until the market would become flooded with cheaper shells, dropping out the middle men and any decent margins, same with anything that comes from China.
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    So IF someone has infact invested in the moulds your suggesting people club in to help the Chinese rip him off ?
    Or reading again maybe your not
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    NO, whoever has invested in the molds has exclusivity over them, but only with the particular company, who would grant a contract to a company to produce molds for use with another customer ???

    That only applies with that company though, there's nothing stopping anyone going to another manufacturer and getting the same molds produced, this is always the problem with copying a design, you cant patent it, so you can never secure your business, its only a matter of time before someone does it cheaper if the market is lucrative enough, or what the Chinese are famous for....producing goods at a low price for a customer, watch how the market performs, if good, they cut out the middle man, market the products themselves then flood the market and make profit by low cost high volume sales.
    Ive had 2 approx quotes so far for developing these molds (2 dr shells), without divulging prices....a quick calc says i would have to sell around 35 @ £6500 to break even. thats without taking into account import duties, legalities etc.
    For the initial outlay its not the shrewdest of investments and carries a fair risk, personally if i was going into this venture i wouldn't make it so public, doing this kind of business is all about keeping your sources close to your chest....its a non protected business.

    With the way things are going a newly manufactured shell here ion the Uk with a supply contract to the likes of Magnum would make far more sense, even though not all the panels are available here surely a nice little contract drawn up with Magnum where you invest for the molds to be produced for the missing panels would be the way to go, Magnum would get the sales costs of these panels with a small payment made to you for the investment return.....another side business assembling the shells,,,,,everyone is a winner!
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Q plates dont exist any more, my understanding is dvla will issue a previously un-issued age related plate where actual age of the whole vehicle is uncertain.
    Incorrect, Q plates do still exist and still get allocated.
    If the age of a vehicle can't be proven to DVLA to their satisfaction (and they have specific guidelines) then they will not give any age relate and will be given a Q plate, its all stated on their web site. If you buy a shell and then put it together from parts from ebay you will get a Q plate AND require IVA.

    To get an age related plate you must have a donor car v5 and use components from that car but you will still need an IVA... You might be able to get formal letters proving these shells are to original ford spec and thus prove to DVLA you are simply replacing the monocoque of your existing escort, then you can retain your originals escorts identity and avoid an IVA.
    Bewarned though, DVLA do state they except the letter to come from the original manufacturer... whilst I don't think ford will care that someone is making replica monocoques, I think its unlikely they will provide any documentation to say its to original spec.... its a real minefield when building an old car, MAKE SURE you do you research first and come up with an appropriate plan on how to register your car, don't just assume it will be ok because others have done something similar to before as DVLA are starting to clamp down in recent years.
    Below is an extract from DVLA website


    10. Reconstructed classic vehicles
    New or replica parts.
    Your vehicle won’t get an age-related registration number if it includes new or replica parts. DVLA will give your vehicle a ‘Q’ prefix registration number. Your vehicle must pass the relevant type approval test to get a ‘Q’ prefix registration number.

    https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...assic-vehicles
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Two points - technically Ford wouldn't be the original manufacturer - the Chinese are using their own dies to produce the panels so THEY are the original manufacturer - it may be a replica but Ford have had no input into its production. And if it is a new chassis and you use all new major items then wouldn't an SVA test apply and it could be declared a 'new' vehicle and get a 'new' date type plate?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    i imagine in most cases a shell would be used to reshell an existing car or at least end up attached to an existing id, so no one, certainly not dvla will know if its had a major restoration or is indeed a new shell

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    Two points - technically Ford wouldn't be the original manufacturer - the Chinese are using their own dies to produce the panels so THEY are the original manufacturer - it may be a replica but Ford have had no input into its production. And if it is a new chassis and you use all new major items then wouldn't an SVA test apply and it could be declared a 'new' vehicle and get a 'new' date type plate?
    Correct, IF you disclose or DVLA find out you have used these new shells (and there has been talk of forum threads and shows being used by DVLA to evidence that the car is not original) then you can use brand new parts for every single component except one single item (usually engine) which must be proved to be reconditioned to as new condition. Then you can technically apply for a brand new plate, I have done this previously.

    Point is IF DVLA find out and you don't have a ford letter stating the chassis is to original spec, then the V5 of the original ford escort is withdrawn (you don't actually own the V5 only the car itself and this has happened) and you have to go through IVA regardless of how you register (SVA was replaced with IVA a few years back but its essentially the same test).

    By far the easiest option is to simply build the car and not tell anyone... I considered going this route as this has worked almost faultlessly in the past and I was planning on doing much the same with my Capri project.... however it seems DVLA are being forced by european law to tighten up and are starting to enforce these 30 year old regs... its made me think VERY carefully about my project so that I can register it correctly, how you register and if you require an IVA will effect how you build the car as you must have e marked lights, no sharp objects, glass etc etc.

    Its a mine field... make sure you have the fact and formulate a plan to ensure you don't get caught out.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    We are being caught out with fake electrical equipment the has been supplied by 'RS'.

    Even RS's suppliers are selling them fake/copied items.

    The worst I have seen is fake RCD's that only have 2 bitsa of wire inside them.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I wouldn't want one if they were not licensed by ford myself i'd like to know they have been built to a good std decent steel etc...

    I think we will find that everyone wants to see them made but then people will say when looking to buy Is it a proper one or a chinese copy?

    This means a copy will be worth much less in the end in my view and at 6-7k a pop would not be worth building into your normal road cars due to the cost of parts building it up?

    Much more likely these will get modified and built into big money rally cars,re shells etc?

    I can't see anyone wanting the hassle of trying to register a copy shell correctly either which will make the market waters even more murky I think
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I hope they are made to better tolerances than Ford used at the time!

    Has anyone considered the possibility that they may actually be better made with modern techniques than they would have been 40 years ago?
    I have a genuine nos RS Mk1 inner wing which I am not going to fit to my car (anyone want to buy it?) because the Magnum version is generally better including the fit.


    I haven't got a problem with the concept, to honest I'd prefer them from Taiwan like the Magnum panels, the Chinese wings don't seem to be as good as those are.
    Plenty of us are already fitting chinese & Taiwanese floors, wings, front & rear panels etc etc already.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    they cant even make a louvred scuttle panel good enough for us to fit, so i suspect the shells may not be of suitable quality for most folk.

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    Q plates are still being issued, mates just tried to get replacement log book for his sunbeam ti which has been off road for 17 years and been told they can only issue a Q plate

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Just read this from start to finish and it's all ended up so very negative...

    I shake my head at some of the posts I've read. But going in through the back door in what seems to be an attempt to undermine the people who have done so much to get this progressed is (in my opinion) quite disgraceful. It seems to me that the one thing some enthusiasts lack is enthusiasm and some people are never happy unless they are pissing on other peoples bonfires!

    I really hope these shells come online. Some of the Magnum panels made in Taiwan are really quite good and not badly priced too. These panels were a non-starter 10 - 15 years ago, so it proves that where there's a will there's a way.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    Just read this from start to finish and it's all ended up so very negative...

    I shake my head at some of the posts I've read. But going in through the back door in what seems to be an attempt to undermine the people who have done so much to get this progressed is (in my opinion) quite disgraceful. It seems to me that the one thing some enthusiasts lack is enthusiasm and some people are never happy unless they are pissing on other peoples bonfires!

    I really hope these shells come online. Some of the Magnum panels made in Taiwan are really quite good and not badly priced too. These panels were a non-starter 10 - 15 years ago, so it proves that where there's a will there's a way.
    Bang on Smudger !!

    I've read a lot about this on here & on Facebook as well & I'm pretty disappointed in the reaction.....its not what I had expected.....why is everyone looking for problems.....we should be looking at ways of solving them & keeping this classic alive !!

    I've also spoken to the lad (yes, on the phone, directly) who financed this & is responsible for the shells coming soon, September he reckons......and along with it....every panel will be available too !!

    Shells are based on a 1979 small strut top type shell & there were shells sent over & picked apart to allow presses to be made for each & every panel.....not a cheap job & a lot of money invested.

    The other thing is that the 'factory' also makes shells for other leading manufacturers so the quality should be there.

    Theres Mk1's coming soon as well.....but I believe this is from a different location.......exiciting times !!

    Lets wait & see how it goes first & what the finished product is like before slating them.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    , personally if i was going into this venture i wouldn't make it so public, doing this kind of business is all about keeping your sources close to your chest....its a non protected business.
    The pics on here & everywhere else were leaked, someone hacked an e-mail address & got a hold of the pics, it was all being kept pretty quiet as the work had been going on for some time......

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I see, even if it wasn't leaked it doesn't take much for someone to contact a manufacturer and get a quote, you can never be exclusive manufacturing a copy of something, after about 8 emails I had a quote from another company for 300k USD to kick off a similar project. I just don't think you would get the volume of sales for this to be a viable investment.

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    old skool racer ,who started this topic,could tell you plenty of tales of underhand tactics from all sorts when he was trying to get parts made .

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    I just don't think you would get the volume of sales for this to be a viable investment.
    The amount of Mk2 rally cars being built in Ireland alone now would make it viable.....more & more companies that are building cars are wanting parts "in stock & off the shelf" so they can build them quickly to meet customers expectations......if someone wants a car built quickly, then they will pay for it.....and its happening already.....but the biggest issue is sourcing shells.......but not for long !! ;-)

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    The market isn't that big, you'd have to sell quite a lot to just break even. And then you always run the risk of someone under cutting. This very company offered me exclusivity on mk1's. Even if someone else got in with that same company I could just go somewhere else....order higher volumes at lower costs and under cut....it's not a safe thing to get into. Hats off to whoever goes for it but it's quite a high risk investment.
    Plus...how sustainable would it be?, once you've sold a few hundred shells what next?, you'd have to recover the initial investment fairly quickly as sales volumes would tail off not increase. There's only so many people in the UK want a Mk2 copy.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    The market isn't that big, you'd have to sell quite a lot to just break even. And then you always run the risk of someone under cutting. This very company offered me exclusivity on mk1's. Even if someone else got in with that same company I could just go somewhere else....order higher volumes at lower costs and under cut....it's not a safe thing to get into. Hats off to whoever goes for it but it's quite a high risk investment.
    Plus...how sustainable would it be?, once you've sold a few hundred shells what next?, you'd have to recover the initial investment fairly quickly as sales volumes would tail off not increase. There's only so many people in the UK want a Mk2 copy.
    Is it your money? Your time? Then what do you care? Why the negativity? No one is forcing you to invest. You and the rest of the people criticizing the idea, and criticizing the quality of something they haven’t even seen in the flesh is baffling to me.

    The market isn’t just confined to the UK, escorts were sold globally, and are still rallied and restored globally. There are currently hundreds of escorts being rallied here in Ireland, go to any rally here on any given weekend and there will be a few dozen escorts entered, and one gets a bang every rally, the demand for shells is absolutely there, simple as that. I’ll have one as soon as they are available.

    This is a huge deal, great for all escort enthusiasts, well done to all those involved.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    It nearly was yeah as when I saw this post I started looking into it a bit further thinking maybe something I'd like to invest in, ive been looking to do something like this for a while but after doing the sums it didn't really add up too well.
    It would just worry me how safe this kind of investment would be. I guess even if you captured 50% of the Irish rallying scene market the numbers still aren't even that high.

    Definitely well done to all involved, its great to see people with balls kicking things like this off and I always respect people that put the work in to make things happen.

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    A chance to get a rust free new shell and theres complaints, can hardly believe it. my mk2 days are behind me now but (financial issues apart) I wish I could get a brand new mk1 golf shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e321 View Post
    A chance to get a rust free new shell and theres complaints, can hardly believe it. my mk2 days are behind me now but (financial issues apart) I wish I could get a brand new mk1 golf shell.
    You can, from South Africa, they still make Mk1 's there, a mate has one that has a modern 1.4 EFi polo engine in it that came from there.

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    I believe they stopped making them couple of years ago, and 5 door anyway afaik, don't do 5 doors, Only my dolomite sprint had 5 doors didn't do a 2 door.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by e321 View Post
    I believe they stopped making them couple of years ago, and 5 door anyway afaik, don't do 5 doors, Only my dolomite sprint had 5 doors didn't do a 2 door.
    That was 4 and a boot

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    Youre quite right, used to be easy 2 or 4 door, then it became 3 or 5 door, even though the hatch wasn't a door, I think, now ive confused my self.

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    Interesting Thread this , I can tell you first hand after spending a lot of time in china sourcing and developing product in China that for some reason only now to the Chinese they would sell there grandmothers 3 times over if there was money in it .

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    Anybody thought about there value of there current car? If these were to become available would the value of existing ones get cheaper. Just a thought.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr-c View Post
    Anybody thought about there value of there current car? If these were to become available would the value of existing ones get cheaper. Just a thought.
    doesnt seem to of been the case with mini's and mgs, so why should fords be any different

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    True. Never thought about that. Me bad. Although. I would love a new shell always wanted a mk2 from when I was young and even today they still look the nuts

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