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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    one reason why ive never built an escort race car is i dont want to spend weeks welding up a rusty old shell ive already paid a small fortune for, or pay even more money for a whole car which needs just as much welding and then chuck 80% of it away.

    but if i could buy a new shell for a few thousand, i could possibly build a car at lot faster and cheaper than now no rust worries and as for panel gaps, its a race car who cares

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    If it ever happens, I will have one (MK1). Please deliver to Long Beach California. I have an 95% complete interior and conversion parts from an RS1600 that was turned into a race car.
    When can I have it and W\where do i send the check?
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Nope I'd imagine the originals would become more expensive, an original would be more desirable if there were lots of copies around.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    When are they going to be available? I would have one, if price is right. How would you tell the difference between original and the Chinese one? Apart from rot?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Who do I speak too about getting one of these shells?? Looking for a mk1 and possibly a mk2 as well. Any ideas on price etc???

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    you can be sure with the investment involved when they are ready to be put on the market every one will know from whom and what price

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I'm hoping that they will need to go through a process of testing first to make sure that they don't fall apart under use. With that in mind I would like to think they aren't going to be immediately available unless the vendors have a desire to make money first and solve issues second.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    this looks like the place selling the shells

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by HonkyWhiteTrash View Post
    I'm hoping that they will need to go through a process of testing first to make sure that they don't fall apart under use. With that in mind I would like to think they aren't going to be immediately available unless the vendors have a desire to make money first and solve issues second.
    i see no more reason for a new shell to fall apart than a 40 year old one!

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    i see no more reason for a new shell to fall apart than a 40 year old one!
    I do - with a Ford shell at least it went through some testing before it was released on the market, and Ford had experience of welding methods. The company making the new shells - what methods are they using? Who operates the machines? What safeguards do they have? Also, what gauge of steel are they using? I've seen pattern panels for mk2 escorts that are nearly half as thick as genuine ford ones - that's not good to build a whole car out of half the gauge of an original one surely?

    I seem to remember counterfeit milk from China not long ago. Anything is possible.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by HonkyWhiteTrash View Post
    I do - with a Ford shell at least it went through some testing before it was released on the market, and Ford had experience of welding methods. The company making the new shells - what methods are they using? Who operates the machines? What safeguards do they have? Also, what gauge of steel are they using? I've seen pattern panels for mk2 escorts that are nearly half as thick as genuine ford ones - that's not good to build a whole car out of half the gauge of an original one surely?

    I seem to remember counterfeit milk from China not long ago. Anything is possible.

    They have nailed it then. A mk2 escort shell, great! But a light weight mk2 escort shell, brilliant! Build a rally car and she used to be 1100kgs now with the new shells they are 900kgs. Power to weight ratio increased by around 16% winner.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by HonkyWhiteTrash View Post
    I do - with a Ford shell at least it went through some testing before it was released on the market, and Ford had experience of welding methods. The company making the new shells - what methods are they using? Who operates the machines? What safeguards do they have? Also, what gauge of steel are they using? I've seen pattern panels for mk2 escorts that are nearly half as thick as genuine ford ones - that's not good to build a whole car out of half the gauge of an original one surely?

    I seem to remember counterfeit milk from China not long ago. Anything is possible.
    my point was you cant get a new shell form fords, so chinese or a 40 year old one that will of been patched up left right and centre are you suggesting that all the cars which have been patched up over the years are as good as when ford made them???

    this is all getting a bit silly now, when you buy other stuff or get parts for your road car do you asked to see the qualifications of the bloke that made them? no. if a new shell is made of the right thickness materials and has the same spot welds, which is your really anal you can count why would it fall apart? i dont think for one monent the Chinese thought off there own backs making old ford shells would be a good idea, someone somewhere in europe has bankrolled a lot of money into this, i highly doubt that they have NO quality controls in place, after investing so much money they wouldnt risk having the first shell to crash fall to bits, it would kill the product before it even got going.

    yes the Chinese do produce a lot of knock off crap, but they can also produce good stuff. we as a nation have great engineering heritage, and throughout the 70's and 80's our motor industry turned out a load of crap too which is partly why there are no true british car manufacturers left.

    so why dont we cut out all this negativity, if you dont want a new chinese shell dont buy one!

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Looking good...
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post

    so why dont we cut out all this negativity, if you dont want a new chinese shell dont buy one!
    I don't want to cut the negativity as it's a valid point and you or no one else will change my mind about whether such things should just be taken as being perfect from the off.

    I doff my cap to the people responsible for attempting the whole thing. They have put their money where their mouth is. I've certainly not written them off and I may even be tempted to buy one after seeing one in person.
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I've had a lot of panels for my Chevy pick up that are made in Taiwan,China or wherever and can't knock the quality, yes they aren't as thick as originals but there's nothing wrong with them at all. I'll be straight on to the company mentioned above for a price. If anyone could point me in the right direction I would be interested in talking directly with the manufacturer about a possible deal to bring both mk1 and mk2 shells in. Would be nice to get these easily available to people at a sensible price.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by HonkyWhiteTrash View Post
    I don't want to cut the negativity as it's a valid point and you or no one else will change my mind about whether such things should just be taken as being perfect from the off.

    I doff my cap to the people responsible for attempting the whole thing. They have put their money where their mouth is. I've certainly not written them off and I may even be tempted to buy one after seeing one in person.

    I went foe it with a set of chinese rods off a company called maxspeedingrods. They cost me £185 to my doorstep abd took 3 days to arrive. They were a 1/3 of the price of any where else, came with arp rod bolts and lube. They rev to 7800rpm all the time and the engine has done around 6000miles and 16hours on the dyno (took so long as i mapped it myself) and all in an engine that hasn't get the best of rod angles due to the rod length and crank throw. If i ever get a chance i will run a chinese turbo next off the same people just to see how well they last. All i'm trying to say is british investors are over there building stuff for peanuts and making sure they cut no corners now this makes for a brilliant product at low prices. It isn't great for the competition though but as always china will get too expensive and the next manufaturing heaven will be born.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Just got off the phone with Higgins, he's going to have one in the end of September to view and will be taking orders. Doesn't look like mk1s are going to be happening and he can only have a limited number of mk2s made. Looks like I'll be going over the end of September to check it out! Price was £7k

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by 73mexicoboy View Post
    Just got off the phone with Higgins, he's going to have one in the end of September to view and will be taking orders. Doesn't look like mk1s are going to be happening and he can only have a limited number of mk2s made. Looks like I'll be going over the end of September to check it out! Price was £7k
    Thanks for the update and info
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by dazzle View Post
    Thanks for the update and info
    He's not having Mk1's made but as far as I know, they are being done as well but in Taiwan. ;-)

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    The subject of original manufacture quality... hmmm - a friend has recently restored the shell of his mini to find the door post secured by very few spot welds... a LOT less than you would expect and also a lot less than on other comparable minis. Products are only as good as the person who made them. It doesn't matter if they are genuine original or some aftermarket unbranded item. Bear in mind quite a lot of 'genuine' parts are actually manufactured by smaller businesses and just branded with the OEM label! Modern manufacturing is not like the days of steam trains where the works literally built everything in house.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by evodave View Post
    He's not having Mk1's made but as far as I know, they are being done as well but in Taiwan. ;-)
    Thanks for the info, Do you happen to know who is getting them made?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold View Post
    The subject of original manufacture quality... hmmm - a friend has recently restored the shell of his mini to find the door post secured by very few spot welds... a LOT less than you would expect and also a lot less than on other comparable minis. Products are only as good as the person who made them. It doesn't matter if they are genuine original or some aftermarket unbranded item. Bear in mind quite a lot of 'genuine' parts are actually manufactured by smaller businesses and just branded with the OEM label! Modern manufacturing is not like the days of steam trains where the works literally built everything in house.
    Has anyone seen the latest RS type inner wings from Magnum ? If quality is an issue for anyone then I'd suggest to try & have a look at these as they seem to be a lot stronger & substantial than the original Ford inner wings ever were.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by evodave View Post
    Has anyone seen the latest RS type inner wings from Magnum ? If quality is an issue for anyone then I'd suggest to try & have a look at these as they seem to be a lot stronger & substantial than the original Ford inner wings ever were.
    I know it's bad form to quote your own posts but that's something I'd agree with:

    "Has anyone considered the possibility that they may actually be better made with modern techniques than they would have been 40 years ago?
    I have a genuine nos RS Mk1 inner wing which I am not going to fit to my car (anyone want to buy it?) because the Magnum version is generally better including the fit."

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    i do think its slightly comical, people want to uprate or change just about every aspect of these old cars presumably because what ford made in the first place isnt good enough, then suggest replacement body shells or panels can't possibly be as good as what ford made

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I think the real issue is that so many folk have spent a lot of money and countless hrs restoring original cars only for new Chinese copies to come along at a reasonably cheap price....prob cheaper than most Restos, I think it's understandable that it would piss a lot of people off.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmex View Post
    I think the real issue is that so many folk have spent a lot of money and countless hrs restoring original cars only for new Chinese copies to come along at a reasonably cheap price....prob cheaper than most Restos, I think it's understandable that it would piss a lot of people off.
    Oh I don't know. really? I assume these same people wouldn't have used any reproduction panels or parts when they restored their cars, just genuine stuff at NOS prices.
    I'm rallying an escort, sounds like good news to me

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Can only be a good thing in the long run. I've always thought it was crazy that you can get just about anything you need to almost build a new car for a Mini or MGB (for example), but only have been able to get replacement mk1 wings in the last couple of years.

    If it eventually means you can get any panel you want, off the shelf, it's got to be good for all of us in the long run.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by MegatronUK View Post
    Can only be a good thing in the long run. I've always thought it was crazy that you can get just about anything you need to almost build a new car for a Mini or MGB (for example), but only have been able to get replacement mk1 wings in the last couple of years.

    If it eventually means you can get any panel you want, off the shelf, it's got to be good for all of us in the long run.
    pity ford care so little about their past

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    Quote Originally Posted by morcheen View Post
    pity ford care so little about their past
    their past doesnt help then shift a zillion of todays cars, most car manufacturers dont really care about their heritage, although it makes handy advertising platform from time to time

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    Quote Originally Posted by morcheen View Post
    pity ford care so little about their past
    On a rare occasion they do, Dynacorn make the Mustang shells & these are now licensed by Ford to be called 'Ford' Mustang Shell. I should add though... I dont think Ford had to do any work on this!

    http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...ved-body-shell

    "It’s now possible to build a brand new ’64½, ’65 or ’66 Ford Mustang convertible from the wheels up using this latest Ford-approved and officially licensed body shell.

    Unveiled today ahead of its public debut at next week’s 2011 Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas, the new body shell joins previous ‘restoration parts’ versions for the 1967-68 and the 1969-70 fastback Mustangbodies.

    The standard design is for the ’65 Mustang convertible but the original ’64½ as well as the later ’66 can be built depending on which powertrain and trim parts are added to it.

    The body, which is currently being produced by Dynacorn and is ready for delivery, is priced at $15,000 and includes the doors, trunk lid, and all the sheet metal from the radiator support to the taillight panel except the hood and front fenders.

    Unlike the original Mustangs of the 1960s, the new body shell is made using modern welding techniques and comes fully rust-proofed.

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    their past doesnt help then shift a zillion of todays cars, most car manufacturers dont really care about their heritage, although it makes handy advertising platform from time to time
    didn't harm making the old mini and mg shells and making retro inspired models has helped them shift cars too.odd how ford did not do anything similar.wont be long now till these mk2 shells can be looked at
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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    When is going ahead as very very interested

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    Yes yes to new mk2 shell as fed up welding up rust.

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    has the shell landed in northern ireland yet ?

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    £7k for a new shell, where did I put my piggy bank! I bet a good few get snapped up and stored for a good few years.
    Any news on the Mk1's?

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    Re: New shells,, yes or no??? Mk1 and mk2

    I am very excited about this!
    If i hadnt just bought a house id be placing an order!

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    If the panel fit is good, its a good thing

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