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    Paul Alex's character building, pain-in-the-ar5e, bufty money pit

    So, the car finally grew from a Project to a Competition Car at the weekend, and as I should have expected with this thing, it was a bit of a baptism

    After the usual last minute dramas, running around, and working on the car every night the week before the event, we were finally ready to leave for the Adrian Barker Memorial Rally by lunchtime on Saturday.

    The service team of Lee, Cossie Mat and Smiffy, plus myself, had managed to cram more gear than you'd ever imagine into Lee's pickup - and we headed north toward scrutineering at the Swynnerton miligary base in Stafford. A quick detour to the rallyschool meant we were also armed with a gazebo for the weekend, so the boys had somewhere to hide should it rain as forecast.

    Scrutineering went very smoothly, with nothing whatsoever to rectify, and plenty of complimentary comments from marshalls, officials and other competitors.

    We headed to the hotel where we'd meet the co-driver for the event (Neil Bye), and hit the bar for some drinks and a bite to eat. Its been a while (nearly six years) since I've done an event, but it was reassuring to see that the usual pre-event banter was the same, and the boys ability to eat "desserts for two" was still evident

    Sunday dawned dry, and we got setup in plenty of time - despite 4 iPhones all setting themselves back an hour for British Winter time - after we'd all wound them back before bed!

    I started the rally with low expectations, having still been unhappy with the car upto the Thursday before the event. However, Stage 1 saw us catch and pass two cars, and despite going very steadily on the slippy approaches/exits the junctions, it later turned out that we'd set a good time. In fact, we'd beaten every other 2 litre car, and were in the top ten overall.

    Stages 2, 3 and 4 were much the same, and by the 4th service, we were comfortably leading the class having set fastest class time on every stage.

    I told the boys after stage 5 that I thought I'd had a good one, and it turns out I was right. Our pace had jumped further ahead of our class rivals, and we'd even started pressuring the top drivers in the over 2-litre class

    Stage 6/7/8 all went the same way, with big gaps to the 2 litre boys, and handfuls of seconds being traded with the 2.3 Duratec Escort of Dave Willett (eventual 3rd overall), and the 2.5 Millington engined Escort of Lyndon Barton (eventual 5th overall). We'd now set 4 top-5 overall stage times too

    Unfortunately, it all went pear-shaped on Stage 9, the first to run in darkness....

    I miss-heard (well, didnt hear!) a pacenote, and turned right at a junction (the way the stage had run all day), when in fact we should have gone left this time. Neil shouted to turn around as we should have gone left, so I nipped it round on the handbrake to face back in the right direction. At this point, I could make out Lyndon Barton approaching on the left, and with "left-left-left" still ringing in my ears, I launched it in 1st to get back on the stage ahead of Barton (who we were fighting fo 5th overall).

    Unfortunately, from the angle we were facing, the road now didnt go left, but square right! I'd already pulled 2nd gear before the mistake was clear, and at that point we were heading off into a ditch ;(

    The car hit a tree on the right hand headlight area, before falling down to the bottom of the bank and clipping a tree on the n/s rear quarter. We were out.

    The damage is all cosmetic, but still not cheap unfortunately - so it looks like a few more sessions in the garage before I get to play again . The only plus point is that the areas affected werent as good as they can be, so the car will be much more to my liking when it comes back.

    More importantly, the team have definately proven that Honda power was a good choice, and that our fussiness in the build of the car is now proving its worth. As you'll see from the times below, we won our class on every one of the 8 stages completed, and once I'd started driving properly, we were actually right amongst all the over 2 litre boys and 4WDs. I dont expect anyone to believe me now, but I genuinely wasn't pushing hard. The accident was a stupid combination of bad communication / mishearing the notes, and disorientation - it wasn't me taking risks.

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    Without bullsh*tting, the brakes were only at 85% of where they can be, and the suspension is way out still - well certainly for that type of venue. We also had a mis-fire which restricted me to around 8000-8200 rpm all afternoon, and a few phantom cuts from the flatshift - so the car will only be quicker next time

    I'll finish by saying a massive thanks to Lee, Mat and Smiffy for all their help - and apologies for the late return home. Also, thanks to everyone who was following our progress, and all those that have tried to pick me up from my p*ssed off / depressed mood this week, and have offered to try and help us put it back together - it really is appreciated.

    In short, I dont know when yet, but we'll be back - with the car looking prettier, more reliable, lighter, and faster for sure. And then I'm going to push the thing properly!!

    More updates soon I hope.

    Cheers,

    Paul

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Gutted you bumped her, but atleast youve proved all the preparations and effort put into the build was worth it. Get afew pics of the damage and some action shots.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Sorry to hear about the damage to the car. I have been following the build for some time and was waiting to see how the you and the car got on. Unfortunately rallying is like that, full of highs and lows. The most important thing now is to get back to the car, fix the damage and get back out there. Can wait to see what you can do when you are pushing 100%
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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    I'm proud of you .... you plonker.

    Soon be sorted.. the ego may take longer.

    On the plus.. driving below par, in a new car, and being rusty.. and posting those times.. think theres some worried 2.0L Escort pilots out there

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Good write up Paul.

    Sounds like the car is performing well for its first outing and I'm sure with times like that it won't be long until your on top form again.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Good write up Paul
    As you say, thankfully its only cosmetic and I'm sure now that you've been out there in the car I bet part of you can't wait to return.
    Were you happy with everything else then apart from the brakes & suspension not being 100% spot on??
    Or is there anything else you fancy changing now that you've had the baptism??

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    thats a great and very encouraging start well done

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Quote Originally Posted by 4parajon View Post
    Good write up Paul
    As you say, thankfully its only cosmetic and I'm sure now that you've been out there in the car I bet part of you can't wait to return.
    Were you happy with everything else then apart from the brakes & suspension not being 100% spot on??
    Or is there anything else you fancy changing now that you've had the baptism??
    Hello mate,

    The suspension is next priority I'd say. We had OK traction, and it wasn't a handful under braking or out of corners, but on the few long corners at the venue it felt like it was lacking control across the car. I've already got a custom (read stronger than normal) front roll bar on the car, so it needs some more thought

    We change the steering wheel boss during the day as I couldnt reach the wheel - so that needs putting right with a more permanent solution

    The brake perfromance was very good on the day, but we were only using what I'd call a medium compound pad. We also didnt have a great pedal all day. I'm going to swap back to the stronger pads, but will need to also change the brake cylinders to get good balance.

    The flat-shift is occasionally doing a phantom shift and causing the engine to cut when it shouldnt, so I'm going to either raise the trigger value on the loadcell, or eliminate some vibration from the gearlever.

    The engine misfire needs sorting, and the throttle body spacers moved (with remap). The engine builder reckons I'm losing upto 15bhp at 5600rpm currrently.

    There'll be 101 other changes too, but they are probably the main focus right now....

    Cheers,

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Congrats on its first outing albeit a little bump been following the thread and waiting to hear some results. Can i ask what the steering wheel boss solution was after that smiley?

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Welldone Paul, Good Results there, considering first time out in it, gutted to hear about damage, but as you said its cosmetic. cummon S2000's lol

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Very nice start!!!
    Congrats

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    Really great work mate, I never had any doubt myself!

    I look forward to chapter two and seeing you beat those big capacity boys, they'd better get some big rear view mirrors because no doubt your car will be filling them soon!

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    Nice pic here mate...


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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Well done Paul, bet you're well pleased with how competitive you are. The car looks great in that last pic and I'm sure you'll make it even better than before once its repaired

    Good write up too Look forward to the next one..

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    Great write up Paul , and the car looks stunning in the pic Glen has posted .

    Look forward to more write ups when the car comes back stronger and better than ever

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Why did you leave the engine standard? Is it just powerful enough as it is? Won't the Duratecs give you hard time (seems like no)?

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Paul,

    Absolutely love the Pic of your MKII Merv's has put up on this thread...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    Why did you leave the engine standard? Is it just powerful enough as it is? Won't the Duratecs give you hard time (seems like no)?
    They are quite powerfull as standard... and look at the results, fastest times on the stage, or in other words..balanced..

    And then theres the bonus of if it goes puffft ... you can grab another engine from the carpark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retromotorsport View Post
    They are quite powerfull as standard... and look at the results, fastest times on the stage, or in other words..balanced..

    And then theres the bonus of if it goes puffft ... you can grab another engine from the carpark
    Not bad for a boat anchor lol

    Car looks great in the pic Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retromotorsport View Post
    They are quite powerfull as standard... and look at the results, fastest times on the stage, or in other words..balanced..

    And then theres the bonus of if it goes puffft ... you can grab another engine from the carpark
    There sure are a lot of S2000's in UK.

    They "cheap" enough to keep a spare? That would make sence.

    Was it 240bhp out of the box? Does theafter market ECU and ITB's improve it still? I guess it matches up to most tuned duratecs?

    How about the box? STD? Does the STD engine and Box mate nicely ratio wise for rallying? Only CWP needs to be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy View Post
    Not bad for a boat anchor lol

    Car looks great in the pic Paul
    Why boat anchor?

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsport View Post
    Why boat anchor?
    It weighs a fair bit ! Great engine though.

    As for your previous post a aftermarket ecu makes a LOT of difference in terms of getting more midrange power, throttle bodies also help a little too but overall peak power isn't that much of a increase over standard, approx 255hp from a claimed 240hp standard power.

    As Gary said though its a cheap engine to replace if it ever fails, which tbh is unlikely.

    As for gear ratios :

    http://www.turnzero.com/technical_re...ear_calculator

    Probably best to keep this on topic and start another thread in the correct forum if you have any other questions.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Sounds sensible.
    Didn't realize I was so off topic though.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Thats my fault as I thought it was a discussion about Pauls first event not the car itself.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    I believe the increase is a little more than that, around 270 is the figure in my head. Paul has a Quaife G60 gearbox.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    from what i've heard in terms of peak power on an otherwise std engine ecu and throttle bodies add nothing more than a couple of bhp at peak power but do improve the midrange

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    That is very similar to the setup that Paul is using, I'm running a slightly different set of throttle bodies but from what I gather the gains are nigh on identical.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Very impressive first outing, shame about the off

    Shows all the hard work was worth it
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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    saw the photo of the car in the ditch in this weeks Motorsport news, shame to bump it but sounds like a strong start!

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Quote Originally Posted by mervhill View Post
    I believe the increase is a little more than that, around 270 is the figure in my head. Paul has a Quaife G60 gearbox.
    270?!? In my dreams Glen As has been said elsewhere, 255bhp is the figure that RED quote as what is seen on their dyno when using their latest map and throttle body spacers etc. Therefore, I'd imagine I probably only have around 245bhp.........

    ......at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAlex View Post
    270?!? In my dreams Glen As has been said elsewhere, 255bhp is the figure that RED quote as what is seen on their dyno when using their latest map and throttle body spacers etc. Therefore, I'd imagine I probably only have around 245bhp.........

    ......at the moment

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    Although its 'only' around 245bhp that is on a pretty standard engine which must make it a lot more driveable than some of the highly strung 300+ 16Vs out there, which I guess would help a lot in rallying. I know that in tricky conditions on a race circuit it is the more driveable engine that you'd want rather than something peaky and often less is more in that situation.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Is 270 what you WANT it to be then mate? I'm sure you mentioned that figure once upon a time, but perhaps that was with more headwork and cams? I dunno.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Hi Glen,

    I'd imagine that 270 would be at the far end of what is possible with the 2.0litre without changing internals - which would obviousy then be going against the philosophy of staying standard and saving any major wallet-bashing engine issues.

    I seem to remember that they're only quoting something like 280ish for a 2.4 version - but obviously with more torque. That could be of interest in the future, but not until we've seen how far we can go with the 2.0 against Vauxhall's, Duratecs, Cossies, BD's, Millington's etc etc

    Cheers,

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAlex View Post
    which would obviousy then be going against the philosophy of staying standard and saving any major wallet-bashing engine issues.l
    And at what point in this build has that bothered you mate

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Only staying standard with the engine mate - the more we can modify everything else away from what can be done off the shelf, the better

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Paul,
    Did you enjoy yourself? That's the main thing.

    Aside from all the mechanical issues how did you feel you drove? Obviously the times were good and the spec of the car is high so you must have drove well.

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Hi John,

    Yes, it was great to be back competing after such a long break, and to nail 8 consecutive fastest-in-class stage times, especially by a fair margin, was good for the confidence. The venue really wasn't much of a drivers venue in my opinion (although obviously speed is in the smallest of details), so the car must be quite good.

    Although its a bit depressing looking at car at the moment, a number of the areas that I was never 100% sure about can now be done to a higher standard - so I'm looking forward to that...

    Cheers,

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    So when are you going to bring it over here to the Emerald Isle PAul ? Lovely tarmac rally , 3 stages 3 times , just off the motorway down from Dublin , coming up in February...

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    It will be EVEN better when she's all back shiney again mate, you've certainly proven it's going to be a good package. and any other appropriate smileys

    I'm thinking of patenting the front vents though

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    Re: Paul Alex's Honda-powered tarmac rally Escort

    Quote Originally Posted by cossie matt View Post

    I'm thinking of patenting the front vents though
    ahem....

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