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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Mmmm , if the connector is available separately then it could be done, but extra loom would have to be added to operate the VVT.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Just thought, its there on yours i believe so might be feasible to do it. i would have to speak to Alan at DTA . I will ask next time i am on the phone to him and let you know.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    you will need the cam sensor and the plug to go with it as i have been told its difficult to source new and a 2 pin timer plug for the vvt solenoid.
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    its just a normal 2 pin connector as per injector type connector. i've utuilised one, and fits fine, juust need the expensive ecu to work it!
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Well , had Chris's on the dyno today and played some more with the map and cam timing and gained 14 bhp at 4000rpm and 188 bhp max. Happy days

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    mmm...... interesting stuff, how did the torque figures compare? noticable difference in its driving characteristics? a nice an easy way to gain 14 bhp!

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    There was a hole in the torque curve at 4000rpm and this has been eliminated totally. Chris felt it much smoother and responsive. the figures at the top changed very little but peaked for longer. We need to retard your cam another 4deg Allan. Start saving mate for that ecu.!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    lol, well if you told me how much its gonna hit me, i could tell ya how long before u see me! lol hopefully we cab do it in a day this time

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    right, to dig up an old thread! cutting a long story short, my initiall st motor experience was short lived! managed to spin No4 shell! anyway, new motor fitted, another st170 lump, this time with vvt working. still on same ecu. so same on/off function. made my appointment with dynoman, and off i went! it was very flat on the first run, 40bhp @3k rpm, and around 120bhp i think @ 6500. dynoman layed his hands on the engine and ecu, and by the time he was done, i was on 70bhp on 3k, 169bhp @ 6500, this all on a standard engine and ecu. i've gained all round on both power and torque, and the car feels WAAAAYYYYYYYYY more responsive, not that it was a slouch before! much sharper and responsive all round. have bben playing with it a few nights now, had to stop as my fresh tyres were no more! lol this guy has to be the big JC of the engine world. hoping to be out on the 3/4th of september, see what result the car can give me! thanks again dude! oh btw, he makes a top brew as well! lol.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Alan, you have the figures mixed a bit as you have wheel and flywheel figures. The final flywheel figure at 3k was 91bhp and it peaked at 169bhp. The mid range was so much stronger than the old engine and very similar to Chris's engine on DTA with its own VVT map, which proved to give more bottom end 107bhp @ 3k and better top end 188bhp. Having said that , for the basic switched vvt it gave a good return.
    Glad your happy with it and theres no excuse now! lol .

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    i stand corrected! getting caught up in the excitment of it all! lol! i do have an excuse, as it happens! ME!!! lol, thanks again vince, top job!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    might have to change the thread title soon! not sure if i should put mk1 escort st190, or maybe st200! what do u reckon dynoman? ur pit of talent is endless! lol

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Between ST170 and ST188 should be the title. That way your safe! LOL

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    lol, we'll settle for that, anything more will be a bonus! need to get dome badges made up for the car! lol!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Looks lovely this car.
    As said in the other thread I'd like to see some close up pics of the important bits.

    They are looking at changing the MOT rules for hid headlights in the uk making them a fail if not a standard fit or has self levelling etc.

    Might make you think about converting ?

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    let me know what pics you'd like, i'll endeavour to sort some out. all the 'engine' bits, are just as per normal zetec, mounts etc, so all easy there. it is a bit tight at the bulkhead, so if i were to do another, id allow for a bit more room between the thermostat housing and bulkhead. the manifold and fuel rail fit as per normal. the big 'air box' need to be turned upside down. think i used some 50mm silicon hose, so connect up to themanifold, very fiddely, as you havent got much room, but u just have to cut and fit till it all goes in. there is also 2 air tracts inside this box, the st170 uses a control unit to switch from one to another, i have tied this off at the tensed position, as i don not use this control. as for the hid, well, i think its a nice thought, but would create so much hassle i feel during scrtueneering, plus by using the crystal lenses, im getting really good lighting at the moment, so feel i'll just let it lie for now.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    JUst a quick update! It's been nearly 12month sInce I initially got the mk1 running, it's been a bit me a bumpy and interesting ride along the way. Just come back from the rolling road session last night, the ecu now been tweaked to work the Vvt correctly. Done nothing to the engine at all, But on have gone from 169bhp, to 193bhp, with a fraction under 180lb/ft torque. All this from a stock, £300 engine!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Nice! Bet is feels a whole lot quicker now!
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    Wow came to mind when I first buried the loud pedal, no hesitation, pulls hard and strong, from very low down right up to the top! It really has made so much difference! Can't be many stock 2L engines, including the standard induction, that gives you that kind of power! Just need to learn how to drive it now! Lol

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Have you got any information on how the VVT operates now?
    And which ECU you are driving it with?
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    HI, the ecu is an mbe 9a4 unit. PRior to this it was an either full on or off for the timing, now it's utilizing the cam sensor as well, so can determine how much is need and when, do a search for dynoman on here. He's in the know, a mine of information, and does a top brew!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    As dyn-car-gwyn says its the MBE 9A4 which we have developed in conjunction with
    MBE and SBDevelopments to enable the entry level ecu package too drive the VVT
    with its own seperate map, as Ford intended.
    These are available only, at www.mosleysgarage.co.uk

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    Speak nicely to Mr dynoman, he'll even make you a nice brew after you get there, bit of a hike, but worth the effort!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    well, following my recent event, rally bryniau clwyd, the first completed event since the latest re map. very pleased with the car, very drivable, and plenty of pulling strong everywhere, regardless of how steep the hill! managed a 6th o/a, 2nd in class. so am pretty happy with that result to say the least! hoping to get a few more events this year, so i can maybe creep up the results a bit!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Interested in the MBE 9A4 being able to drive the VVT correctly rather than having it on/off. How much would I be looking at one for?

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Quote Originally Posted by E.S.C.O.R.T View Post
    Interested in the MBE 9A4 being able to drive the VVT correctly rather than having it on/off. How much would I be looking at one for?
    try and get in touch with dynoman on here, he's the one in the know. it was a fair while ago when i bought mine, vat has gone up twice since! lol! if you cnt get him here, let me know, i'll pm you his number.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Ok thanks. I'll get it touch

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Good stuff ,Thanks for pm mate

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Alan any chance of a close up pic of the injection side , is that upside down ? I am just playing about with mine
    Trying to work out what you have removed/moved to fit it etc ,I cant see it to well
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Yes of course mate, pm me your email or phone number if your WhatsApp, I'll take whatever pics you want. It is basically upside down. A bit of fiddling, but very doable.

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    Pmd

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    a quick update, couple of pics from last year, hopefully get some more decent ones this year

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    Great motion shots
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    The infamous 2 wheel "trons brown" moment!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro Motorsport View Post
    The infamous 2 wheel "trons brown" moment!
    yes indeed, a very brown moment! lol

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    right, just a quick update on the car. due to the fact that good st engines are getting thin on the ground, i decided to shell out and buy some shiny bits for the inside of the engine, raise the compression etc. only having done one event with it since the install, i can report that the car is doing well, much much stronger at the top end, and much livlier to drive! i have much to learn with it, but hoping to have a few events under her belt soon. only marginal gains figure wise, but feels much more! dynoman has been kind to start a thread under zetec instalation, 'ST170'

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    great to see a st170 engine being 'used'

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Very impressive! i'm going to be attempting the same with my ST engine and fitting into a Mk3 Cortina. I want to move the engine as far back as possible but that air box is just in the way and was thinking of changing inlets but after reading your thread i can see it is possible to move it

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    the fitting of the engine is no different to a zetec. the airbox will fit, its essentially "upside down". not sure how youre fixed for space on the Cortina, but it is a squeeze on the mk1. still, its there, and works, very well!! :-)

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