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    X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Hi All.

    I have put together my X.Flow after a complete strip and rebuild but had a brain fart when it came to the timing...

    What i need to know (and either i am not asking the correct question or using the correct terminology as i cant find it) is how to do the initial setup.

    I have pistons attached to the crank, in and the cam in. Where should they all be for the timing chain to be fitted?

    The Pulley and cover (with timing marks) are not fitted at this stage so i cant use them (although i did fit the pulley and line the notch to 12 o'clock and then fitting the cover realised is WAY off.

    Does anyone know a good written or pictorial guide for this?

    Cheers fellas.

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    The crank and cam pulleys have dots marked on them (if my memory is correct) These have to be aligned dot to dot - this will put the crank and the cam in the correct relative positions (again if memory serves correctly)
    Query why are you rebuilding an engine without a workshop manual?

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    As above. From memory crank dot points to about 10 o'clock cam dot point to about 5 o'clock but they will make a straight line to each other. Plus your piston will verfiy TDC as it will be at the top. I assume you don't have the head on yet ?

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Thanks guys. No. No head on yet and why would I need a manual? Haynes is as much use as a chocolate teapot and I have a printout of torques settings.

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Richb77 View Post
    Thanks guys. No. No head on yet and why would I need a manual? Haynes is as much use as a chocolate teapot and I have a printout of torques settings.
    Haynes aren't the only manuals out there - Ford did produce their own for Ford employees workshop use believe it or not!

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Richb77 View Post
    Thanks guys. No. No head on yet and why would I need a manual? Haynes is as much use as a chocolate teapot and I have a printout of torques settings.
    at least a haynes would tell you how to line up the timing sprockets!

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    at least a haynes would tell you how to line up the timing sprockets!
    Eggzackerly !

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    I suggest you contact Scotty 77's engine builder for advice, looks like he don't use a manual neither

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy slim View Post
    I suggest you contact Scotty 77's engine builder for advice, looks like he don't use a manual neither
    most engine builders including myself dont, but the OP rubbished a haynes manual then asked how to line up the cam sprockets, thats the pot calling the kettle black!

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    He needs the Haynes RS1600, Mexico manual. I purchased mine in 1977 and spent many hours reading it. Long before the Internet it was the only way of finding any technical information about a BDA engine even though I didn't have one at the time.

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Forest_rallying View Post
    He needs the Haynes RS1600, Mexico manual. I purchased mine in 1977 and spent many hours reading it. Long before the Internet it was the only way of finding any technical information about a BDA engine even though I didn't have one at the time.
    With respect, we've no idea what size / type of x-flow this is or what car it's fitted to? Why recommend a 'niche' manual when a std escort / cortina / capri would suffice in regard x-flow rebuild info. Just checked the required into in a std model escort manual - perfectly adequate and fit for purpose.

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    The Haynes rs1600 manual is worth getting though as it contains info on the x/flow, BD, pinto, twin choke, dcoe's, dellortos, 2000e box, RS 4 speed box plus many many more

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy slim View Post
    The Haynes rs1600 manual is worth getting though as it contains info on the x/flow, BD, pinto, twin choke, dcoe's, dellortos, 2000e box, RS 4 speed box plus many many more
    i agree its a goodun

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy slim View Post
    The Haynes rs1600 manual is worth getting though as it contains info on the x/flow, BD, pinto, twin choke, dcoe's, dellortos, 2000e box, RS 4 speed box plus many many more
    No Pinto info in that manual. (well not in the one I have)

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    With respect, we've no idea what size / type of x-flow this is or what car it's fitted to? Why recommend a 'niche' manual when a std escort / cortina / capri would suffice in regard x-flow rebuild info. Just checked the required into in a std model escort manual - perfectly adequate and fit for purpose.
    With No respect I take it you haven't got one then!! We all know what a X Flow is and what capacity they are. It was just a general remark to use that Manual, after all if you have to buy one why not buy that one and gain a little bit more knowledge.

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Ti's in the 1984 edition

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    So what size engine does the OP have? I don't know if it makes any difference - that's why i've got a manual for an Escort fitted with an x-flow. We are supposed to be helping him / them, not providing info for an engine they haven't got! Tell you what, i'll donate my Suzuki GSXR1100 manual - full of great info but equally useless for the task in hand!

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by katana View Post
    So what size engine does the OP have? I don't know if it makes any difference - that's why i've got a manual for an Escort fitted with an x-flow. We are supposed to be helping him / them, not providing info for an engine they haven't got! Tell you what, i'll donate my Suzuki GSXR1100 manual - full of great info but equally useless for the task in hand!
    The Rs1600 manual also covers mexico so it does include the X/f in 1600 form at least

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    The Rs1600 manual also covers mexico so it does include the X/f in 1600 form at least
    That's why I suggested the RS 1600, Mexico manual as most of us know the MK1 Mexico was fitted with a 1600 X Flow engine.

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Richb77 View Post
    Thanks guys. No. No head on yet and why would I need a manual? Haynes is as much use as a chocolate teapot and I have a printout of torques settings.
    Hmmm, why would you need a manual? as your question is of the most basic I would suggest that even chocolate teapot types will cover the information you need. Workshop manuals in whatever guise or author (and I must have half a dozen on the Kent engined cars alone, including Ford’s own manuals), always have useful info to be gleaned.

    (I once knew a fitter called Howarth that pointedly never used a manual or written info when fitting timing belts, he was a shite mechanic and all his timing belt jobs never ran properly afterwards. Addendum: he now works in a breakers yard.)
    Are we there yet?

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    Re: X-Flow rebuild timing setup

    IMHO any manual is better than NO manual if you do not know what you are doing.
    Torque settings are only a very small part of building an engine correctly.

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