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    Type 9 hitting clutch

    Been having a grinding nose from the clutch. When i took box out i found that the input shaft cover is hitting the clutch plate. It would make me think i had the plate round the wrong way except when i had it turned the other way. The springs on the clutch plate hit the bolts on the flywheel.....im having trouble trying to upload photos...... has anyone had anything similar. .. i included an ebay link to show the cover in taking about.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192594740033

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    The other thing i found today was that the spigot bearing hasn't seated all the way into the crank and sits proud by a few mill. Should this be all the way in.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2esccy View Post
    The other thing i found today was that the spigot bearing hasn't seated all the way into the crank and sits proud by a few mill. Should this be all the way in.
    There's a chamfer round the inside edge of the spigot bearing hole in the crank, Ive always put spigot bearings in level with
    the face of that. Which I'm pretty sure is all the way home in the crank anyway.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Thanks ..im going to order a complete clutch kit from Retroford and start again. Im certain the clutch kit i have is wrong. Ive never been convinced the release bearing was the right one and the Retroford kit does have a different bearing. The car changed gear and drove but clutch was slippy. If i fail again I'm sticking it in a garage and getting someone else to do it.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    If the boss where the splines are is fouling on the end of the tube for the thrust bearing then it sounds like you could have the wrong centre plate fitted and why is it slipping, is it a new clutch? You look like you have the center plate fitted the right way round if the cushion springs foul the flywheel bolts when the disc is installed the opposite way round.

    What engine is it, Pinto? Normally the spigot bearing is flush with the end of the crankshaft on that type of engine. If the bearing's not fully home in the crank it shouldn't be causing the problems you are having.

    Don't give up by going to a Garage to get it sorted, most of them now won't be familiar with this engine and box and will fob you off with any excuse.
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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Yes it was a new plate ... got the whole thing on ebay years ago.. described as type 9 to xflow clutch kit. I couldn't put up pics on here but managed it on another forum...see link below

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Is the gearbox inputshaft tube a std type 9 one as I can see from that photo but the tube looks quite short and what bellhousing, clutch fork and release bearing are you using? I take it you're trying to mate the gearbox upto a X flow engine.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Was it an automatic?

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    The car was an auto before putting the type 9 in...its just got the cast iron bellhousing. The fork came with the box from someone on here but i believe its correct. The bearing came from burton power.... there is an orange painted dot on the clutch fork which is weird because I've seen other peoples photos and some of them have an orange dot ��
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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2esccy View Post
    The car was an auto before putting the type 9 in...its just got the cast iron bellhousing. The fork came with the box from someone on here but i believe its correct. The bearing came from burton power.... there is an orange painted dot on the clutch fork which is weird because I've seen other peoples photos and some of them have an orange dot ��
    The first thing to do is take the measurements of your bellhousing from face to face, the figure should be approx 175mm and the length of the clutch bearing tube should be 101mm from the bolt face to the end of the tube. The length of the input shaft spigot should be virtully flush with the end of the bellhousing where it bolts to the block if you were to put a straight edge accross. Those figures are for a type 9, 5 speed fitted to a 4 cylinder Sierra direct from a Ford Data Book. I don't know enough about computers to put a link on here.
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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    This is an xflow engine...the bellhousing is 175mm. Not sure what the clutch bearing tube is��

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2esccy View Post
    This is an xflow engine...the bellhousing is 175mm. Not sure what the clutch bearing tube is��
    automatic x/flow had a spacer on the end of the crank, did you remove it before fitting the flywheel?

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Hi Graham..hows you.....yes i took off everything to do with the auto box....i can't upload photos here. The cars driving me nuts. I put a couple of photos on the oldskoolford site .....i think the clutch kit i bought was just a pile of crap.

    https://www.oldskoolford.co.uk/ipb/i...clutch-issues/

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2esccy View Post
    This is an xflow engine...the bellhousing is 175mm. Not sure what the clutch bearing tube is��
    You need to measure the length of the thrust bearing tube first before you draw any conclusions on whether the clutch itself is the wrong one. At least you know it's not the bellhousing.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Sorry for being a bit of a div but is this the thrust bearing tube.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192594740033

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    Last edited by Forest_rallying; 06-09-2020 at 07:52.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    I have just had a look at the photo of the flywheel bolted onto the crank, are you sure there's not a spacer or something behind it as it doesn't look to be mounted correctly unless it's my eyes.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2esccy View Post
    Sorry for being a bit of a div but is this the thrust bearing tube.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192594740033
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest_rallying View Post
    Yes
    Cheers bud ill check that next

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Forest_rallying View Post
    I have just had a look at the photo of the flywheel bolted onto the crank, are you sure there's not a spacer or something behind it as it doesn't look to be mounted correctly unless it's my eyes.
    Theres definitely not a spacer...i have that in the cupboard. I bought the flywheel from ebay i think listed as 1600 xflow flywheel

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Well just checked the bearing tube and that seems to be 101mm so surely points to a wrong clutch plate..or is it possibly the flywheel that's wrong

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2esccy View Post
    Well just checked the bearing tube and that seems to be 101mm so surely points to a wrong clutch plate..or is it possibly the flywheel that's wrong
    You have narrowed it down to one on the two now, it a shame you can't post photo's of your clutch set up.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Im using my mobile but when i try the photo uploader it keeps telling my the photo is too big..ill try again in a bit

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2esccy View Post
    Im using my mobile but when i try the photo uploader it keeps telling my the photo is too big..ill try again in a bit
    you need to resize pics for the uploader to work 800x600 pixel works well

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    done it... this is just a test pic but this is my plate

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Here's my full kit

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    The thrust bearing came apart whilst i was taking it off.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    What have the cushion springs been rubbing on, the flywheel bolts or the pressure plate fingers? Thrust bearings often fall apart when dismantled, however that's not your problem.
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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    What's the diameter of your clutch centre disc, the correct one should be 190mm for the X flow flywheel with 23 splines for a type 9 input shaft. Burton Performance do one for £35.42. Part no C784 AF.
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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Quote Originally Posted by Forest_rallying View Post
    What have the cushion springs been rubbing on, the flywheel bolts or the pressure plate fingers? Thrust bearings often fall apart when dismantled, however that's not your problem.
    The springs hit the flywheel bolts as i put the plate on with that side facing the engine. It started squealing so i took it out and turned it round. That stopped the squeal but now i have the problem of the bearing tube hitting the clutch plate as the raised metal collar is facing towards the gearbox. The plate is 190mm and 23 spline. If you look at the last photo of the clutch plate you can see the raised collar im talking about. This is the bit that's hitting the tube. Are these bits all the same size on clutch plates ?

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Why don't you trim a slight amount off the end of the tube, I can see to how far the thrust bearing travels on that old school photo and it's no where near the end of the tube. Try 5mm as a starting point and go from there. Make sure you bolt the tube back in the same place.

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Cheers ill maybe give that a bash... Will be getting a new clutch kit at the end of the month

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    Re: Type 9 hitting clutch

    Can anyone confirm if this is the correct flywheel for the 1600 xflow...i think we've narrowed my issues down to either the clutch kit being wrong or the possibly the flywheel. ....ive bought everything from ebay and it was all listed as 1600 xflow. I don't want to change the clutch and then have to take it all apart again ...cheers


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