Type 9 into mk1 mex

[grunty-motor]

i have searched a lot and getting well confused....(lots of info on std mk1/mk2 - but not so much on the type 49)

1. am i going to have to move the gearbox hole further back? the picture below seems to show the lever further back (but not sure on bell housing length cause i dont have an alloy one yet)
2. am i right in thinking i keep the std crossflow pressure plate (only the actual clutch itself needs changing?). need to know before i get crank balanced.

[grunty-motor]

....and i thought the prop was a straight fit. apparently not. type E / 9 boxes have different splines - so now i also need to buy a prop...

is there a cheaper option for the clutch than a burton one?

[exboyracer]

What you're looking for is the clutch plate from a 1.6 sierra 82-86 5 speed 190mm 23 spline

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3pc-Clutch...item4ab7ae0e36

I believe Neil from 105speed used to sell the friction disc on its own, I think Graeme @ GS Escorts does as well.

AFAIK the 5 speed stick position should be in the same place as the type E box

[Fridgeman]

i had to move the hole back on mine .i thought the 5 speed was longer as that spacer in the middle of the box was to fit the extra gear in. just fot the box and all will be revealed.

[Fridgeman]

or even fit the box.

[grunty-motor]

i would do but just need a bellhousing first!!!

its just i thought it was a direct fit on the RS2000 and the shells are supposed to be the same? and guess i will also need another centre console (and again i thought all mk1s had the same one) as that hole will be in the wrong place too.....something else onto the shopping list........

[grunty-motor]

been digging some more - rs2000 had type E gearbox and mex had 2000E box.

so, although both had type 49 shells i guess avo did some "bodging" and moved the hole back when they did the converting.

but why are the centre consoles the same? how does that work?

[Fridgeman]

well its only a inch or so , whats been done on mine before is to carefully cut round the existing hole and mark round it for the new one. cut that and fit them in there new locations. but lets hope it fits with out all that.

[caprimentle]

that input shaft looks long at the end, you sure its not a 2.8 type 9 box? have a measure up

[grunty-motor]

yeah it is a 2.8 box - also checked the gear ratios so pretty sure.

does it make any difference ? i thought you just have to cut the input shaft nose off ???

[caprimentle]

no its needs shortening to the correct length, both the end bit past the spline that goes in the spigot bearing and the splined section for the clutch plate, look at the measurents, the end of the splined section on the 2.8 box sits 17mm further than that of a 4cylinder box, that will make the splined section drag on the flywheel giving the same effect as the clutch constantly engauged meaning you cant change gear, and thats only if you can tighten the box up tight, if i remember correctly those that have just shortened the end part rather than machining down the splined section too cannot bolt the box up tight to the block because the input shaft is tight against the flywheel making something like a 5mm gap from it being tightened up flush if that makes sense.

[grunty-motor]

i had measured the 2 splined areas up and found that there wasnt much of an overlap between the 2 boxes. I was worried that the clutch wouldnt sit right but just thought heaps of people had done it and it worked out ok for them so was keeping my fingers crossed.

presume then that the 2.8 box only fits (after cutting the nose) on a pinto motor?

[exboyracer]

Yes, you will need to shorten the input shaft nose otherwise it bottoms out inside the crank, which is a bad thing.

Basically, you will need to machine the input shaft to tose of a 4 cylinder one otherwise it'll bind on the clutch. You also need to shorten the input shaft collar otherwise that fouls on the clutch as well.

[grunty-motor]

cheers all. b*llocks more work to do. starting to wish i had never started on this..... Was only doing it cause the 'box was in the garage - cant go back now cause i already bought the prop, bellhousing and the hyd. clutch, etc. ah, well

[caprimentle]

worth it in the end mate, it is the best of the type 9's when fitted,

[grunty-motor]

fitted the engine and box this weekend. I have a x-member but not sure what its from (maybe the donor capri?). anyway it sits as shown in the photos - there is about 20mm clearance between the tail shaft and the roof of the tunnel.

does it look ok?

[pablomills]

Interested to hear how you get on with this mate! Did you cut the hole in the end?

[grunty-motor]

no. i got the tail shaft on the box shortened. Even doing it this way the gearlever still hits the hand brake (dont have a quick shift yet)

tbh, looking back, it is not as quick and easy as others have said. Maybe on the RS2000 everything just drops in but on the Mex its a lot of work (or atleast a lot of bits). Mind you, i did it the slightly harder way with a V6 box that needed rebuilt and keeping the hydraulic clutch. All that for another gear.....and the 2000E box is really good/slick to start with!

[pablomills]

Yeah, that's my dilemma - I love the 4-speed box, it just gets a bit much on the motorway when you're pushing on a bit.

[exboyracer]

looks good, that cross member looks to be a Sierra one imo