Evening all
my mk1 escorts been getting alot of work done,rusted badly so now trying to check gaps
i offered the new repro wings up to the door pillar and the middle is 15mm shy
the top and bottom touch ok but the middle isnt playng ball,i tried giving it a good push and clamp but its not getting close yet
any advice would be gratefull.
Dan.
A big hammer on the drip rails
I'm going to pull your head off because i don't like your head!
its the a pillar post that it doesnt fit behind the door
i have self tapped the drip rails on to align the tops but the back is not so easy..
the curve up by the skuttle panel is a large gap,not very well made wings ..
Some pics to show us would be best .
With the bonnet on shut ,showing all the gaps .
Duck tape if need be this will give more idea where the problem is.
If the end of the sills have been done the a post fixing part of the wing could be fouling at the bottom .
Does the tongue at the bottom of the wing that fixes to the end of the sill reach the sill ?
Hmm. Might have to get the dolly out and bash it into position. I dunno. There are some good body work guys on here that i'm sure will point you in the right direction
I'm going to pull your head off because i don't like your head!
thanks gents ,i will get a few shots in the morning when i venture outside thanks again..
Dan
we love pics lol.
Door to wing gap? Is the wing flush with the door with door closed?
Bottom of wing flush with sill?
Back of wing to scuttle gap ? Back wing to scuttle flush?
im on it,camera charging .thanks
images of wing
sorry the wheels n door look ugly its all i got in rebuild mode
as you can see the gaps are not that bad,but the middle of the wing is jutting out a fare bit
it touches top n bottom fine but not the middle and if i push it not much happens
the corner curve by the skuttle is a poor shape to will have to address that.
nothings secured yet.
middle of wing gap
think tawny had some of these on his mex, had to take the grinder and the welder to the wings before they shaped up right. its a shame and i dont think these wings are that cheap either, although word on the street is the new batch are better.
i can just about handle the shaping but cant get the wing to the A post in the middle is the main issue
bar major heaving but its very tight.
I had to tweak the length [depth?] of the return on mine [non Ford pattern years old wings] to adjust the distance they sat from the hinge post. The actual gaps weren't too bad looking in at 90 degrees, just looking along the car side profile they stick out a touch...... Not sure I got any pics though...
So is the the bit that fits on the A post flat ?the section through the middle should be.
If the a post fillet on the wing allows the wing to sit correct and flush with the sill ,its the correct depth at the bottom.
If the a post fillet on the wing allows the wing to sit correct and flush with the top of the door then the depth there is correct .
lol i no that obvious ,so put a straight edge along it and check for the gap .so if there is a 15mm gap then you are going to have to put a slit at 90 degrees in the
a post fillet .Im guessing the best place will be the upper body line .
I would be tempted to get a large piece of card and stick it in the slot between the door and wing .Take the profile off the end of the door ,cut it out and
place it on the back of the wing at 90 degrees .This might give you a better idea where the shape is incorrect ,where it rocks and where the cuts in the fillet should be.
Anyway just some thoughts .
i just took your advice and found the measurements where ok
the problem i think i have solved "maybe"
the bad curve at the top that i need to address reshape was in fact holding the wing away on a little angle
and threw the whole wing out so i gave it a little persuasion and the gap shrank alot
so i will unpick the spot welds re shape then re fit,hopefully it will come round
thanks for all the advice ,
If it helps, I had to remove all the inner bracing from the wings and start again to get the shape correct not only the contour to scuttle and door was wrong, the shape of the wings along the top were well out, shocking really but what can you do other than just get on and make them fit, it's better than rust I think
if its any comfort mate here's a couple of pics of my genuine Ford Mex wings bought ~16 years ago
i fitted the wings after rebuilding the inner wings and rails, but didnt touch the A-posts
as you can see they could have done with being interfered with more for a better fit but tbh its not as bad in the flesh as it looks in these photos
the drivers side one sits too high at the outer edge (not as bad as it looks below) but the flange line is dead right with the one on the door so it wouldve taken a lot of cutting/shutting to get it better
the passenger side is almost exactly opposite where the top point of the wing sits a bit low
when its all painted it really doesnt show up as much
btw, how well does the boot fit - try getting that straight and level with good even gaps
Bernie
Are these the repro ones?!! That curve is awful unless it's a trick of the light?!!!
IMG_4762-1.jpg
its an awful shape,i am going to unpick the welds and re shape it,even if i have to cut it and reweld.
where the skuttle curves down the wing doesnt and is fouling against it keeping it away from fitting correct if that makes sense.
i havent fixed the drip rails yet just self tappers but will require carefull trimming.
my front chassis needs some work,then i can refit front panel,secure it then lock it down square and work the drip and wings to the bonnet.
if i had the car ready when the wings arrived i may have sent them back.
i have seen others with well fitting wings
for the money they cost i am not super happy but better than what i had,pure rust n holes.
i guess you live & learn.
Just remember that it all ties together on the front end!! I had the wings, rails, front panel, slam panel etc all held in place with a handful of self tappers when I done mine. It is easy to have something out of line which could effect the whole lot. I'm not putting you off, just saying take your time
The reason I used metal wings was because of how easy they are to modify to fit compared to fibreglass IMO obviously.
i totally agree,it would bug me after putting in so much time on the rest to have it out of line.
i will take alot of time and get it spot on or refab it until im happy.
What ratters said keep it so you can jiggle it .
I also left my cross member self tapered .
Self tap the front panel at the bottom to the cross member lip in-line with the chassis rails only not in the middle .
I found that this would let the ends of the valance pull round to meet the wings better.
The middle of the valance could flex out at the bottom in the middle.
Only a few mm but stopped the valance kinking round the chassis rail ends.
Just some thought
I am having the same problem but mine are tight to the door on the top and 15 mm out at the bottom but when I look at the wing by the a post there is 2 cm difference from the a post strengther to the end of the wing were it meets the door and yet the bonnet slam panel front panel all are spot on I had to walk away as I was going to beat them with a lump hammer
This was the only major bit of tweaking I had to do & even then it wasn't that difficult really or time consuming - http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthre...=1#post1766396
I found the bonnet gaps & door gaps themselves were pretty good & even for unknown wings - Maybe I was luckyMaybe mine were patterns but OLD patterns.... I don't know
Not sure what you mean about the 2cm bit.Originally Posted by dodgyknee
I had the same problem with my wings ,the back of the wing would not run parallel to the door.
Right at the top and to big ,like you say at the bottom .
I found the wing rail was a tad high at the front only a few mm but that helped it a bit .
But if i remember right lol. With the wing clamped to the rail ,pushing the wings lip in towards the strut helped pop the back of the wing back towards the door at the bottom .
Think that's what i did was a while ago ,this was also when i found i had to pull the corners of the valance round to meet the wings.
Sorry for posting rusty wreck. The 2 cm thing is at the back of the wing from the strengthener to the edge of the wing is completely different from the other wing sorry
go ahead,alls good to read as i have to do the other side yet so all might help
good to see different fabrication work to get these things level.
Hi guys
Thought id add to this thread even though it was 6 years ago. Im having same problems, only someone else has put new A panel on and slam panel also wing rails and not to mention strut tops, when I've got my wing on the wing rail, I have a nice 5mm gap from door to wing and 50mm at the bottom and if I line the wing gap up perfect to the door it' a bus ride away from from wing rail.... my problem is, has the bloke previous to me made a total hash or is it just a poor quality wing.
Similar problems with my wings, both came from magnum the drivers is a perfect fit but the passengers is 10mm high at scuttle panel. Seems the issue is with the manufacture in Italy who produce the wings for Magnum.
DSC_0812[1] by sean1roche, on Flickr
1 Perfect fitting wing matt e coat by sean1roche, on Flickr
2 Perfect fitting wing matt e coat by sean1roche, on Flickr
3 Bad fitting wing shiny e coat by sean1roche, on Flickr
4 Bad fitting wing shiny e coat by sean1roche, on Flickr
Holy crap yer that's not good... to be fair I picked up some panels today from aldermaston panels and we were talking about mk1 and mk2 body panels... he told me that there were 2 lots of presses from Ford Magnum now has one set and Heritage has the other... so that's confusing when magnum panel are now made in Italy. I must say my a panel I picked up today has got a few ripples in from the press but it wont be seen.
I'm assuming your gonna have to trim down the section that attaches to the wing Rail? Or try another wing and see how that goes.
Just add re mk1. I'm well out of my depth on mine just been on it and I need some professional help... no matter what I'm looking at I just can't get my head round it, so I'm now decided to go and get a glass of red wine and drink lol
Yeah we are going to try a few more wing and see if any of them are better, if not this one will need to be modified :-(
Good luck, be interesting to know the outcome....
thanks same to you, perseverance will get us there in the end. Hope you sort something out too
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