3SGE(Beams), 4AGE (16v & 20V)

[MAX2503]

Gents,

Just some quick quicks about your experiences with the above engine's. I've recently come across them in various mag's and YouTube, but just wanted to ask if I wanted to drop one into a MK2 Cortina shell, which is best?

I know thats probably a hard question as i'm sure they all have something different to offer, but your own views and stories would be great to hear. I think which ever engine, i would look to go n/a itb route, as i love the sound. Gearbox suggestions would be welcomed as well.

Many Thanks

[M11rf]

THe BEAMS comes with a 6 speed RWD gearbox and it 200bhp and has more torque than the 4age. Quite a tall engine and will need the crossmember/steering rack lowering.

20v 4age already has ITBs and will look better in the engine bay, you will need to source either a 16v RWD gearbox or a type 9 with a special bellhousing.

[muckerbarry]

The 20V is an absolutely cracking engine, I’ve got a bog standard one in my rally car with an omex ECU and it produces 158bhp, its a little lacking in torque bit it loves to rev, sounds brilliant, and looks right at home in an escort engine bay. Its done 3 fully rallys, 3 hill climbs, a sprint, and 2 track/drift days and it hasn’t missed a beat. It was 10th overall in a local rally here before a puncture put us out of contention.

I know of another 20V MK2 that has done close to 20 rallys with a standard 20V and there hasn’t been a spanner put on it.

There is loads on the web about how to make one RWD, but one thing that is never mentioned and is an absolute must is to modify the timing belt tensioner, its a spring loaded/hydraulic thing and its crap, I opened mine welded in an M8 nut and use a log bolt to tension the belt instead. Ledwith racing on facebook will do this for you.

[Sam-Q]

As above, the 20V if you do the basics is realiable and not hard to install. The beams takes a lot more work and is quite bulky. However they have lots of mid range power.

I can supply just about all the conversion bits you would need for the 20v and I am planning on realising my own version of a manual belt tensioner shortly.

[d8vyr]

and 4-age is a lot cheaper to get than a beams plus you would have to buy itb`s or whatever you were thinking of running on it, when the 4-age already has them fitted
check out tezzaworld site and you will find all you need to know about the beams
cheers davy

[MAX2503]

Many Thanks for your feedback gents,

Quick question, if i stuck with the 4age 20v and wanted to marry it to a type 9 gearbox, whats needed? parts wise?

[Mk1_Deano]

I'm mid rebuild on my 20V powered escort

These two threads have all the information:
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthre...-Help-I-m-lost
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthre...-clutch-set-up

but incase you cant be arsed :P

Bellhousing
Sierra clutch fork
215mm pinto clutch plate
Toyota 4age 212mm clutch cover
4age to type 9 Crank Spigot Bearing
Clutch Release bearing

[MAX2503]

Many Thanks Deano,

I have read your thread before, thinking that you don't live to far from my folks. I would like to ask where about's did you source the engine from? I've been looking around, and although I'm not in a position this side of Christmas to pick one up, I'm curious as to where people are turning to buy these.

I open that last question up to the floor...

[Mk1_Deano]

Many Thanks Deano,

I have read your thread before, thinking that you don't live to far from my folks. I would like to ask where about's did you source the engine from? I've been looking around, and although I'm not in a position this side of Christmas to pick one up, I'm curious as to where people are turning to buy these.

I open that last question up to the floor...

No problem Ah whereabouts do they live? Maidstone is slap bang in the middle of Kent so its not too far from anywhere!

The engine was advertised on driftworks from a private seller a couple of years ago. 40,000KM on the clock, automatic and about 20mins away from where I live, the perfect combination! I paid 800 quid for engine, all ancillaries, ecu and loom.

I know Bunta20V imported his from Canada, and a work mate of mine got hold of one quite recently from one of the companies that advertise them on ebay, not heard any problems last time I spoke to him.

Drop me a pm if you need any more info, HTH

[mk1rally*]

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There is loads on the web about how to make one RWD, but one thing that is never mentioned and is an absolute must is to modify the timing belt tensioner, its a spring loaded/hydraulic thing and its crap, I opened mine welded in an M8 nut and use a log bolt to tension the belt instead. Ledwith racing on facebook will do this for you.[/QUOTE]

Does the silvertop 20v need this mod too??

Cheers

[mk1rally*]

Found the answer - nope silvertop is pulley arrangement.

[bunta20v]

The 20V is an absolutely cracking engine, I’ve got a bog standard one in my rally car with an omex ECU and it produces 158bhp, its a little lacking in torque bit it loves to rev, sounds brilliant, and looks right at home in an escort engine bay. Its done 3 fully rallys, 3 hill climbs, a sprint, and 2 track/drift days and it hasn’t missed a beat. It was 10th overall in a local rally here before a puncture put us out of contention.

I know of another 20V MK2 that has done close to 20 rallys with a standard 20V and there hasn’t been a spanner put on it.

There is loads on the web about how to make one RWD, but one thing that is never mentioned and is an absolute must is to modify the timing belt tensioner, its a spring loaded/hydraulic thing and its crap, I opened mine welded in an M8 nut and use a log bolt to tension the belt instead. Ledwith racing on facebook will do this for you.

Could you please put a photo up of this modification please. I think the timing belt has slipped a tooth on mine and it sounds like this is the culprit.

[Sam-Q]

Bunta I will be releasing something shortly, I already have a batch of the basic shape back from the laser cutters, here is how it will look:

[Mk1_Deano]

Bunta I will be releasing something shortly, I already have a batch of the basic shape back from the laser cutters, here is how it will look:

Sam, I'd love one of those when they are finished

Standard adjuster next to manual adjuster.


HTH

[Sam-Q]

Ok neat I am aiming for only about 55 pounds or so for them. They are next in line after I finish my batch of dizzy kits off.

[bunta20v]

Ok neat I am aiming for only about 55 pounds or so for them. They are next in line after I finish my batch of dizzy kits off.

Hi Sam, that looks good. I also want to replace the timing belt too with the genuine Toyota item. How much to supply both including shipping?

Im going be selling my car soon but want this sorted so the next owner doesnt have the same issue.

[M11rf]

Im going be selling my car soon

What!!!???

[bunta20v]

What!!!???

Yes m8. We have bought another house so the car has to go im afraid. Will do another project Mk1 Escort 2door, Anglia or Cortina.

[M11rf]

Sorry to hear that mate... Hope all goes well and you get another car soon

[Sam-Q]

that's a real pity. These should be finished in the next couple of weeks. I will let you know when that happens and sort out the quote for you.

[bunta20v]

Sorry to hear that mate... Hope all goes well and you get another car soon

If I do sell then it wont be long before im back behind the wheel of another Ford. Ideally I want to develop this car and the 4age 20v. I have a Toyota avensis which kindly may give up it's 7afe block in the need for development