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    1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    In another thread I talked about building a 1700 Pinto engine, but had a change of heart and decided against it( mainly because of the extra weight when compared to a xflow). Well sod the extra weight...I want to build a 1700 Pinto screamer so it's back on. XFlows are too easy...

    I'll be using an early 1600 engine as a base, keeping the stock 66mm crank; steel 2.0ltr rods and custom made 90mm forged pistons with a low compression height. The head will be a downdraught experiment with epoxy glued in tubes. I'm pretty sure it won't leak, but if it doesn't work I can always resort to a standard ported head. Fuelling will be by Mikuni Flatslide race carbs. The Pinto head will outflow any XFlow head by a large margin (even that CNC alloy one) and I'll be looking for some serious power. With a very oversquare motor with high flow head and strong internals, it should rev it's little gonads off; 8500 should be no problem - (I think..)

    My car is already set-up for a Pinto so it makes sense to keep it Pinto. I'm sure I can lose a few kilos here and there on the car to compensate for the extra weight- alloy diff housing, alloy bellhousing, skeletal flywheel, 4 speed gearbox (don't need 5 in a hillclimb car), carbon silencer rather than the heavy steel one that's currently fitted. Don't need an oil cooler - it'll never get hot enough, so there's some weight saved there (already taken it off). I'll be keeping the baffled alloy wet sump - it's lighter than a dry-sump system. Heck, I could even go on a diet! Besides, I really like experimenting and thinking out of the box, trying something new. No one would think of using a Pinto in an up to 1700cc hillclimb car, so that immediately draws me to it!

    Just need a good 1600 engine now....

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Hi mate...keep us posted..ive nearly completed a downdraught head with tubes (1600 pinto) its going on a 2.1 bottom end..took a lot of work to get this far ..all on my pillar drill....worth the effort if it works...like thinking out side the box....cheers

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    Hi there. Do you have any pictures of your downdraught head or is it a bit secret? Unfortunately I don't even have a pillar drill, but I do have a very powerful die grinder which should make mincemeat of the ports. I'd rather do it myself - it just takes a little longer and is a lot messier. It's either that or pay someone to machine out the holes, but I don't like paying for someone to do something I can do myself.

    I've just bought an early 1600 Capri engine as a base, so I'm ready to start. Except my wife has booked for us to go away next week.....

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Hi yes ive got lots of pics...i will prob start a thread...the first thing to do is cut a old head in half..then you can see where to take the material from...i will post a couple of pics for you when i get home...cheers mark

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I will be selling a 16 pinto head late next week if any use to anyone. Not sure of post cost tho
    Very interesting thread :thumbup:

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    A 1700 Pinto looks a very interesting project, however some serious work will need to be done to get your compression Ratio High enough. you may have to Weld the Chambers to reduce the CC. You`ll need an Engineering Shop to Bore the Valve Throats out and Re cut the Seats with the understanding of a Performance Cylinder Head. You can then do the Porting to your own design with a Die Grinder. Good luck.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    1600 heads had a 38cc chamber so i see less of an issue getting a 1700 using a 1600 head to 12.1, than getting a 2.0 with 2.0 head to the same ratio.

    or you need to find a 1300 head, which is what dave walker fitted to his race 1600, i got him to show me one once, it has smaller chamber and inlet ports, but importantly for flow there is a lot more meat at the bottom of the inlet port where it turns.

    normal pinto valves are too short for a 1300 head, apparently essex v6 work in one though

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I remember years ago someone built a 1600 with 2.0 crank 1600 rods and Cosworth pistons block re-bored to suit with the crowns machined down I think it made it around 1800cc.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyPolak View Post
    I remember years ago someone built a 1600 with 2.0 crank 1600 rods and Cosworth pistons block re-bored to suit with the crowns machined down I think it made it around 1800cc.
    . Don't you mean " someone built an 1800 "

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    If the 1600 chambers are 38cc, then I will only need a 1mm head skim to get 12 to 1 cr with a 90mm bore, pistons flush with the top of the block and using a 1mm gasket. Probably have to pocket the pistones for clearance - not sure yet. I'll be looking for a camshaft with about 12.5 to 13mm lift and 300 ish duration - a rally/hotrod type cam should work well in a 1700. A 90mm bore will give 1680cc, a 90.5mm bore will give 1698, but I don't mind forgoing the extra 18cc as I don't want the cylinder walls too thin ,and I'm not certain how far you can bore out a 1600 block. Besides, it will make sod-all difference!

    Started stripping down the 1600 base engine I bought yesterday (£75!), but off to the USA tomorrow for a week so haven't got very far. Might give JE Pistons a call whilst I'm there...get them to make me a set.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    If the 1600 Head has shallower Chambers does that mean the Valves are closer to the Piston on overlap needing deep Pockets to avoid them hitting the Pistons? then the Pockets loose CC.

    1300 Pintos must be rare! JE make a nice Piston if you can get your hands on some.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    yes 1600 chambers are shallower, and yes it does mean valve pockets are more likely needed, but it needs to be put into perspective, valve pockets will only add a couple of cc at the most to the chamber volume which is considerably smaller

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Update.

    Not much to tell really. Some Muppett has rounded off the star on 3 of the head bolts (exhaust side), so will now have to carefully drill off the bolt heads just to get the cylinder head off! I'm hoping once the torque is released the rest of the bolt (now a stud) should unscrew easily. Otherwise I'll have to weld on a nut to each shaft.

    Just one of the pitfalls of working with a 30 odd year old engine I suppose.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Well after much drilling, annealing, more drilling and more annealing, I have at last managed to get the cylinder head off! Those head bolts are very hard and got harder the more I drilled.
    Very pleasantly surprised to see 42mm inlet valves as it means I don't have to grind out as much metal to fit the 44.5mm inlets planned. Exhaust valves are 34mm which are probably big enough but I may go slightly bigger to 36mm depending on what's available. Chambers are much shallower than a 2litre head, so will definitely need valve pockets in the piston crowns with the lift and duration I'm looking for.
    Tonight I'll get the crank out. The whole engine looks very fresh and completely unworn, if very mucky, so I'm hoping that the crankshaft journals are OK and won't need too much regrinding.

    More later....

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    What steel rods are you going to use?

    I have the same kind of setup in my mind, but I'm only trying to keep the bore near original.
    The best pistons for 1.6 I've found are Wiseco K547M89. They are flattops and some minor lathe work is needed to get the right compression height.

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    I'm going to use either a good used set of Cosworth YB rods, or a set of new H Section rods in standard 2 litre Pinto length. I'm going to have the pistons custom made by JE to suit my compression height, and they will be flush with the top of the bore. I haven't ordered them yet as it depends on which rod I choose.
    Cheers Chris.

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    I read somewhere that Cossie rods couldn't handle much more constant rpm's than 7000. Don't know that for sure though.

    Is there any other standard lenght steel rods than which burton sells?
    eBay sellers of course, but that's another story.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I read somewhere that Cossie rods couldn't handle much more constant rpm's than 7000. Don't know that for sure though.
    dont believe everything you read!pinto rods will usually stand a constant 7000rpm, yb rods will handle 8 easily

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post
    . Don't you mean " someone built an 1800 "
    Was that not the one they featured in Fast Car magazine ?? I'm sure it was a 2.0 Pinto but used the YB Turbo pistons with bowl machined off, 1600 rods & 2.0 crank....from the outside it looked like a standard 1600 Pinto....very stealth !! ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    dont believe everything you read!pinto rods will usually stand a constant 7000rpm, yb rods will handle 8 easily
    Are YB rods ok at 8500? I've just bought a set!!

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    i dont think id be worrying too much about 8.5, assuming you have a nice light piston and pin combo.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Update 23/11/2013

    Just spent a few hours continuing the stripdown of the old 1600 engine. Very pleasantly surprised to see an immaculate newly ground crankshaft at 0.25mm undersize on mains and big ends - totally unmarked and will definitely not need a regrind. The bearings look brand new, although I will be using a better quality in the rebuild. What a result!

    A cursory look at a piston crown shows a 020 marking, which I'm assuming is 0.020" or about 0.5mm. I measured the bore at 88.3 with a pretty accurate vernier, but admit I could be a little out. Bores are totally unworn with the honing marks still visible. All irrelevant though as I will be going to 90mm to make the most of the 1700cc limit in my hillclimb class. I've been cleaning the cylinder head in a paraffin bath ready for the assault with a die grinder....starting tomorrow, although I could now be persuaded to take it to a machine shop and have them bore out the ports ready for glueing in the downdraught tubes.

    Anyone know of a good machine shop in the Derbyshire/S.Yorks area?

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I would sell the block and pistons since it seems to be freshly bored, buy an other (cheap) one to bore to 90 mm !

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Quote Originally Posted by racing escort View Post
    I would sell the block and pistons since it seems to be freshly bored, buy an other (cheap) one to bore to 90 mm !
    To be honest, this WAS a cheap one. That's the problem here in the UK; the 1600 has no real value as it's far easier to drop a 2.0 litre engine in which will produce far more torque and power. The standard 1600 is pretty worthless really (except to odd people like me!).

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    When i did my downdraught head...the first thing i did was cut an old head in half...you can see what there is and more important what there isnt...when you bore you will find that you are left with nothing to fix the tubes to..only at the manifold face...the other problem to over come is the valve guide..this will need to be sealed through your new insert tube...of course depending on angle and depth of bore.....i ended up boreing 48mm and ofsetting by 0.8mm.....i will start a thread soon..just need to get my ar@@@e in gear...cheers mark

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I'd like to see pics of your downdraught head Mark. By the sound of it, mine won't be so extreme as the tube inserts will stop just short of the valve guide leaving plenty of material to drill through for the new bronze guides. After boring the holes for the tubes, I'll turn the head over and stick them in place using copious amounts of JB Weld. After curing overnight I will then flood the remainder of the original port with JB which goes very viscous when heat is applied. It will run down through the port and seal everything completely. I have done this before on a PreCrossflow, and after a couple of days of curing, the tubes were so well stuck that there was no way they were going to budge. Ever!

    What size tubes did you use?
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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I did very similar to your idea in the end stopped just short of the valve...i ended up with a tube 48mm o/d and tapered from 47.5 to 38mm at the valve end the tube ended up 100mm long ....i used the tube as the manifold as well...to keep all my tapers dead straight...
    I took the angle of the tube as high up as i could without breaking through the top(there are a couple of recesses on the top that stopped me going any higher) cheers mark

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    On a side note ..have you thought about valves....i found this was a problem for the 1600 head....no body seems to have the correct length racing valves with the single groove cotter...i ended up finding some in America 46mm inlet and 37.5mm exhaust 112.5mm long (7.9mm stem so used v6 stem guides honed to size)...cheers mark

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I was going to use standard 44.5mm inlet and 36mm exhaust race valves in 2.0l length and fit them with lash caps to get the desired 1600 length.

    I am not going to go quite as large on tube diameter as you. I will be using 38mm steel tube with 1.2mm wall giving a bore of 35.6mm (I'll probably hone it to 36mm). I think that for a 1700cc engine a 36mm bore should be more than enough, particularly as virtually all of the new port will flow air due to the downdraught design, where most of the valve curtain will actually be used (rather than 3/5ths of it like a normal Pinto port). With a 44.5 valve and 13mm of lift, the valve curtain is virtually the same as two 31mm valves at 10mm lift as seen in a BDA! If I can get near to BDA levels of flow, I will be well happy lol.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Have you managed to locate a local Engineering Company to Jig Bore your Head Ports yet? I have some 38mm diameter Steel Tube if you need it.

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    I was given the name of a CNC Engineering company in Sheffield, but am open to suggestions if you know of anyone!

    One alternative is to take the head to Steve Campbell at Thunder Engineering in Leicester http://www.thunderengineering.co.uk/...1556_1051.html. I sold Steve a Clubmans Sports Racing car project a few years ago which he painstakingly rebuilt and then raced in Classic Clubmans. His work is second to none, and although he does mainly classic motorcycle race parts, I'm sure he'd have a go at the old pintosaurus.

    Thanks for the offer re. steel tube. I only need about 30cm so I thought I might rummage in Twiggs' (Steel stockholders Matlock) offcuts bin.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    I tried WM Twigg when I required some 38mm Tube for Roll Cage Door Bars but it`s not a size they stock.

    We used Beckett and Garner for our machining work 20 odd years ago but I don`t think they are still in buisness. Some one in Cromford Bored an Atlas LSD out for GP 4 shafts back in the 90s but I can`t remember who they were.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    More progress.

    I have fully ported the exhaust ports and also the inlets, but not yet had valve seats cut. I was struggling to find a competition 36mm exhaust valve of near the correct length of 113 mm, so am going to use 111.5mm length in a 38mm diameter - larger than I really wanted but still plenty of room in the chamber when combined with the 44.5mm inlet valve.

    I ported the inlets to give me the choice of going full downdraught, or copping out and just adding epoxy to the short turn for a nice flow to the seat ( a lot less work). You'll be pleased to know that I chose the former, and have today delivered the head to Steve Campbell at Thunder Engineering in Leicester, who will be doing the machining for me. Steve is an old mate from my former hill climbing days, and the quality and scope of his work has to be seen to be believed.

    One thing he did say was to leave the cast iron valve guides! ( bosses already removed). I was going to have k-liners fitted, but he said the cast iron guides aren't worn at all and will last longer and have better lubricating qualities than bronze liners. "But I intend revving to 8500" said I. "absolutely not a problem" he said, which was quite enlightening really. I bow to his superior knowledge as not only does he do high end Motorsport CNC machining for both bikes and cars, he is also an excellent engine builder, racing car driver, and race bike pilot and former Supermono champion. You should see some of the very trick 8valve heads he is producing for old Triumph (Meriden) twins!

    Anyway, the head is in good hands. I'll start posting some pictures when I get it back and the fun really starts.

    Cheers for looking.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Santa's been early to Memphis!







    Custom made 90mm JE Pistons with a v. low compression height to suit the Cosworth YB rods. So beautiful it's a shame to use 'em!

    Still waiting for the head to come back from being machined for downdraught tubes. It's a frantic time of year, so it's going to be after Christmas now

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Just read this, some key points:

    Cast iron guides with the guide bosses removed will only last a very short time, bronze K-line guides are Bomb Proof in a competition engine, shortened cast iron guides are a Bad idea, the machinist may not know half as much as you think he does, what people say about machinists and what they really do can be an incredibly large gap! judge by the quality of machining you see first hand rather than word of mouth

    YB rods will take 8000rpm in a 2.0 engine with light forged pistons quite reliably, but I would not trust them above this, the small end will pull clean off the top of the rod if given enough rpm's over a long time, NA YB engines have heavier pistons and failures have happened going to 8500rpm regularly, you might see 3 seasons life out of them or more, depends on how hard they are being revved

    YB rods with a 1600 short stroke crank will be Bomb Proof with your light forged pistons, 8500rpm will be completely reliable, 9000rpm would be pushing it but they would live for a while even at those rpm's, the piston movement is much slower and less harsh around TDC with your effectively long rod short stroke combination, your rod ratio is 1.95 to 1, a YB rod in a 2.0 engine = 1.67 to 1, added to that the shorter stroke, greatly slows down the distance the piston has to travel per crank revolution greatly slowing down piston speed at any rpm, all of the above means you will have a super reliable combination

    About pressing in new inlet ports, you would be better with 45.5 to 46mm inlet valves, this will allow you to make the ports a little larger and still have decent port velocity

    You are correct that a 36mm parallel port will work very well for a full on 1600 engine, 35mm is also plenty, over 36mm will just throw away toque and engine response

    I would gradually flare the ports larger after the head up to 45mm webers or 40mm TB's with dead straight port runners and TB's being ideal, with a small tumpet radius instead of a large flared entry like Jenverys which loose some usable power for "looks"

    Place the new port as high up as possible under the rocker cover, leave a nice entry into the short turn, raise the short turn as much as possible to make best use out of the valve area as you said

    The port bowl area should be made much larger than the 35 to 36mm diameter of the port, ideally the port would get a lot larger around the valve guide area to slow down the airflow and allow it to turn around the valve seat, as for the bowl area just under the valve seat, this should be 39mm if it is a 44.45mm valve or 40mm if it is a 45.5mm inlet, make this section parallel (not including the short turn) for around 10mm down from the top of the 45* valve seat, then make it considerably larger up to the valve guide and gradually going back to the port diameter

    For valve seats, use all 1.6mm seats, a 35* x 1.6mm top cut, 45* x 1.6mm seat, 60* x 1.6mm lower cut, 75* cut over 3mm long, the 90* bored throat diameter will blend into the lower 75* angle, use 88% throat diameter for this engine, this shape will make the valve seat act as a Venturi increasing airflow, throats that are too large just under the valve seat loose airflow and velocity, 90% diameter is ok but over 90* is too large, 90% of 44.45mm = 40mm, this is the upper limit for the parallel 90* bore section with the valve size

    The short turn will be blended into the port to create the best short turn radius by hand/experience

    The 35* top cut is a little better than the usual 30* cut which does not match the pinto chambers as well as a 35* top cut, the 30* cut leaves a step that needs blending out, a small point but if you have a choice of cut angles go for the ones I listed, they are about as good as it gets imho, some people use narrower 45* seats but there is no advantage imho and a 1.6mm seat on a large valve is about as narrow as practical, even 1.8mm is fine, more than that is too wide

    Be very careful with cam choice especially if you are using carbs in a 1700 engine, a 2.0 cam will be a few steps up in cam from the get go, overlap is to be avoided like the plague in an engine like this

    The only cam I would recommend for this is RL31, forget anything else, it just won't work for you, if you want less cam choose BP285, but RL31 will give the best balance of torque and HP, you will be quite pleased with this cam for racing, for fast road BP285 is a good choice with lower overlap again

    All of the usual big power 2.0 pinto cams will not be suitable due to very high overlap for a low cc engine, they would be real pigs below 5k

    If you want every last hp you can get and don't need driveability below 5k and are using TB's then you could stretch to using a lumpier cam but it will want to live at 6 to 8k all the time, in that case BF63 would fit the bill along with one or two others
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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post
    . Don't you mean " someone built an 1800 "
    Lol a 2.0 pinto bore and 2.0 crank stroke = 2.0L no matter what block it is in
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    Quote Originally Posted by RWD fords rule View Post
    Just read this, some key points:

    Cast iron guides with the guide bosses removed will only last a very short time, bronze K-line guides are Bomb Proof in a competition engine, shortened cast iron guides are a Bad idea, the machinist may not know half as much as you think he does, what people say about machinists and what they really do can be an incredibly large gap! judge by the quality of machining you see first hand rather than word of mouth

    YB rods will take 8000rpm in a 2.0 engine with light forged pistons quite reliably, but I would not trust them above this, the small end will pull clean off the top of the rod if given enough rpm's over a long time, NA YB engines have heavier pistons and failures have happened going to 8500rpm regularly, you might see 3 seasons life out of them or more, depends on how hard they are being revved

    YB rods with a 1600 short stroke crank will be Bomb Proof with your light forged pistons, 8500rpm will be completely reliable, 9000rpm would be pushing it but they would live for a while even at those rpm's, the piston movement is much slower and less harsh around TDC with your effectively long rod short stroke combination, your rod ratio is 1.95 to 1, a YB rod in a 2.0 engine = 1.67 to 1, added to that the shorter stroke, greatly slows down the distance the piston has to travel per crank revolution greatly slowing down piston speed at any rpm, all of the above means you will have a super reliable combination

    About pressing in new inlet ports, you would be better with 45.5 to 46mm inlet valves, this will allow you to make the ports a little larger and still have decent port velocity

    You are correct that a 36mm parallel port will work very well for a full on 1600 engine, 35mm is also plenty, over 36mm will just throw away toque and engine response

    I would gradually flare the ports larger after the head up to 45mm webers or 40mm TB's with dead straight port runners and TB's being ideal, with a small tumpet radius instead of a large flared entry like Jenverys which loose some usable power for "looks"

    Place the new port as high up as possible under the rocker cover, leave a nice entry into the short turn, raise the short turn as much as possible to make best use out of the valve area as you said

    The port bowl area should be made much larger than the 35 to 36mm diameter of the port, ideally the port would get a lot larger around the valve guide area to slow down the airflow and allow it to turn around the valve seat, as for the bowl area just under the valve seat, this should be 39mm if it is a 44.45mm valve or 40mm if it is a 45.5mm inlet, make this section parallel (not including the short turn) for around 10mm down from the top of the 45* valve seat, then make it considerably larger up to the valve guide and gradually going back to the port diameter

    For valve seats, use all 1.6mm seats, a 35* x 1.6mm top cut, 45* x 1.6mm seat, 60* x 1.6mm lower cut, 75* cut over 3mm long, the 90* bored throat diameter will blend into the lower 75* angle, use 88% throat diameter for this engine, this shape will make the valve seat act as a Venturi increasing airflow, throats that are too large just under the valve seat loose airflow and velocity, 90% diameter is ok but over 90* is too large, 90% of 44.45mm = 40mm, this is the upper limit for the parallel 90* bore section with the valve size

    The short turn will be blended into the port to create the best short turn radius by hand/experience

    The 35* top cut is a little better than the usual 30* cut which does not match the pinto chambers as well as a 35* top cut, the 30* cut leaves a step that needs blending out, a small point but if you have a choice of cut angles go for the ones I listed, they are about as good as it gets imho, some people use narrower 45* seats but there is no advantage imho and a 1.6mm seat on a large valve is about as narrow as practical, even 1.8mm is fine, more than that is too wide

    Be very careful with cam choice especially if you are using carbs in a 1700 engine, a 2.0 cam will be a few steps up in cam from the get go, overlap is to be avoided like the plague in an engine like this

    The only cam I would recommend for this is RL31, forget anything else, it just won't work for you, if you want less cam choose BP285, but RL31 will give the best balance of torque and HP, you will be quite pleased with this cam for racing, for fast road BP285 is a good choice with lower overlap again

    All of the usual big power 2.0 pinto cams will not be suitable due to very high overlap for a low cc engine, they would be real pigs below 5k

    If you want every last hp you can get and don't need driveability below 5k and are using TB's then you could stretch to using a lumpier cam but it will want to live at 6 to 8k all the time, in that case BF63 would fit the bill along with one or two others
    Crikey! Thanks for your very thorough advice Jason. Yes cam choice is a little bewildering for this engine - I had virtually settled on a BF63 as the engine is going in 500kg hillclimb/sprint car where runs are pretty short; generally well below a minute. I fully expect little power below 5000 but then great gobs of it all the way to 8500. However I'm more than willing to follow your advice and go for an RL31.

    Re. valve guides -again it was always my intention to have them k-lined until I heard the conflicting advice, so yes I'll get them done.

    Thanks again.

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    re cam, if you get it right on a 1700 a rl31 should pull a zillion revs, when i used one on a 2.2 power was still going up @7500

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    Re: 1700 Pinto.... Back on!

    Yes Rl31 is the cam to use, I have taken the time to map several pinto cams in a spare engine with a large degree wheel and DTI, the difference between RL31 and BF63 is not that large in terms of valve open area, they are identical from around 2mm lift upwards, the RL31 has lower seat timing and a Lot less overlap, the RL31 actually has a tad more peak valve lift but nothing worth talking about (with the same valves and rockers used in each test)

    Let us know how you get on, this will be an interesting build and something different
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    I've been doing a little work on my downdraught head. Still to cut the valve seats (I'm waiting for some cutters to arrive) but it's coming on nicely. Just to whet your appetite;




    There's a slight step in the port where the tube joins the throat (throat is larger by probably less than 1mm) as they were ported before I had the holes machined ; short turn just need a little more epoxy filler to avoid turbulence. Long side I will leave alone as I don't think it will make the slightest difference. More later.
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