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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor.
This is all because of Cossie-envy
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Part of the furniture
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor.
Definately cossie envy!! Seems like alot of work when you could just bolt in a cossie lump with a couple of mods to get 420 BHP . So who's gonna be the 1st to get 1000 BHP out of a cossie lump?
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Not much work if you sorting the motor in the 1st place just a
few parts sorted from salvage yards & a little insurance.
Hell there are guys that have fitted doc volvo heads on these blocks. that is not a small feat by no means.
I'm considering building a Cozzie. but the cost of getting the stuff here is nuts.
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor.
What's the record power output of a cossie engine?
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I've heard of a cossie running 900 BHP in a grass racer, but i've only heard of it, I don't know if it actually exsists!
I think the thundersaloons ran 650+ BHP, but they needed to be rebuilt every 3 hours
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Yeah Wes I was going to say 600bhp or so, i think 900 is a dream, you have to remember you have to find a rolling road that can handle that power to substantiate it, otherwaise it's just guessing.
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Rolling Road? I wouldn't trust the reading from any rolling road any where in the world!! Engine dyno's are the only true way to get BHP / Torque figures. I don't think 900 BHP is unobtainable, you could run 12 grey injectors (on methanol), a T4R should be able to supply the boost, and possibly NOS, but it isn't going to be reliable at all! Remeber the RS200 (BDTE engine) could produce 750-800 BHP on methanol with 8 greys and a T4R turbo, all from 2.1 litres!!!
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Could not agree with you more mate re rolling roads they all differ anyway, the thing is these muppets get a RR reading and think thats it, but it's all down to gearing, aero dynamics, traction, lsd's, power band and human logistics.
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Exactly m8, BHP is such a bullshit figure anyway, Torque figures will give a much better idea of how quick a car pulls, I was speaking to Cossie Clint about this the other day, a certain Cosworth produces 515 BHP and 450 ft/lb torque, and another produces 504 BHP and 492 ft/lb torque. Which one is quicker? I would put my money on the 2nd car
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Could'nt agree more! there are alot varibles. just the slant on the road can make a big differance.
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How much did the Zakspeed Capri's used to run ?
I know that was BDT but its still a Cosworth
I seem to recal the 1.3 litres (yes 1300cc's) running about 350Hp
They then uprated to the 2litre block and the power went up to about 800 ? ... the article was in classic ford last year sometime
I think they used to run refrigerated intercoolers too
the 1.5 litre turbo charged F1 cars used to run 1000 BHP on funny fuels too (don't think cosworth were involved at that point tho')
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Yes MikeLMR, I seem to remember the F1 cars ran 1200 BHP in qualifying trim also, from 1.5 litres
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Those were the days
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Yeah those were the days allright,
I remember Mansell saying he was getting wheelspin in top gear on the straight at the US GP in a Williams Honda. In the dry!
Think the qualifying engines got even higher BHP than that by the end though.
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Think your right Mark, i seem to remember the 1500hp figure mentioned
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
You nailed it right on the head. That is the main advantage that the Fords have over the rice. the car with the torque will stomp all over the higher h.p. car with all things being the same to a point. But if the road is long enough the h.p. car should come out on top. The disavantage that the honda's have on the street over here is they make well over 400h.p. to the wheels and about 270 ftlbs. From stop light to stop light is end game. On the drag strip where they have time to start getting some wind its a different story.
The biggest problem with Sierra's is the way they hook up.
The car was not designed to be a 1/4 mile car.
I saw a article about a Sappire that ran mid 11's but hit the Traps at 139m.p.h.! That should have been a 9.90-10.10 Run, but he has to be still rolling the tires at the end of the 1/8mile.
Seems like if any-one over here puts a set of slick's on they kill the diff.That suck's cuz there a pain in the ass to get ahold of.
I watch the kids hit the track with there low profile tires just smokin. Gee you think they would figure out that there needs to be some side-walls to flex & let the tire bite.
If you set the car up to be optimized for the drag strip you end up losing your ability to corner. Our(U.S.) cars work great at
Strip but try to make 1 brake or turn and you'll have your work cut out for you. I must also say that there is not one car ever in the U.S. market that I take over a maxed RS500.
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Marshall,
I am thinking of emigrating to the US within the next 18 months, so I think I may bring my 3dr and increase the Cossie population sateside by 1
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Marshall, don't they fit 9" rear diffs to them over there? The standard ones are 7.5" (on a 2wd car), but the ralley boys fitted 9" rears, as they did to the Group A 4x4 Escorts. Do you have any Sierra 4x4's running decent times? 4x4's hook up really well, the last time I went to the strip (a couple of years ago now) I whooped some big 600ci V8's with huge slicks off the line, a good 4 car lengths ahead by 1/8th mile, but I was only running 400BHP / 400 ft lb torque at the time, so they sailed past at the end
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Wes What do you reck you Saph could do now on the strip?
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
I'm not sure, I'm aiming to get it in the 11's
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Mark,
That's ! Where you planning on moving too?
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Florida,
I have a house there already and I love the climate.
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Marshall,
I know there are some bad areas there, but we have a few here too now.
I spend so much time there I blend in quite well now, unfortunately no hablo espaņol but I know the odd words
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I have attatched the Ford Escort Cosworth GRP A rear axle documentation (315k PDF, uploaded as a .jpg) for reference I know they are alot of money, but if they don't break then in the long run it will be worth it!
My 1st ever run was a 13.2 @ 115 MPH, but there was a boost problem, it only made 24 PSI and then dropped off when going up the strip! (it used to run 35PSI). I should have ran a low 12 easy, but I haven't been back to the strip since, as the car has been off the road for 10 months in the last 2 years! 2wd's are more fun, but I prefer to have my intestines turned around by the grip of a 4x4 And I can still over take buses at 40mph and light up all 4 wheels
Street racing (for cash) just isn't worth it, I like driving too much to risk loosing my license, don't get me wrong i don't drive slowly on the road, but best to take it to the track when racing!
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Re: Recipe for 400h.p N U.S. Pinto motor
Marshall, the eec-4 ECU is the 1st thing that goes in the bin when uprating a small turbo Escort for big power! I think the most tuners get out of the eec-4 is 305 BHP The P8 is the one to use, or you could go mental and use a MoTec M48.
Go on, get cossie power under there!!!!!!
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