User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 41 to 80 of 104

Thread: Coil over conversions

  1. #41
    Spanner Monkey Tazzie's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Flevoland- the Netherlands
    Age
    57
    Posts
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Normally if you use koni inserts the manual say you do need to use 50 cc of oil or coolant fluid to put in the tube before u insert the damper
    I always put oil or coolant fluid in to the tube when i use insert on whatever care they are used on


    greets Tazzie

  2. #42
    Racer Decade Plus User DarthVader's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    South Africa
    Age
    53
    Posts
    3,354
    Thanks
    20
    Thanked 37 Times in 35 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Fook and I've just assembled 4 legs without oil :-(

    Oh well no chance of me stripping them off the cars again.

  3. #43
    Mechanic DIDDY's Avatar

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Staffs
    Posts
    728
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Just to let you no that as regards adjusting the strut spring hieght i have on many occasions used a roller platform ajuster they are two 1/16 thick washers and a very thin flat run needle bearing, the plates sand wich the bearing at the base of the spring this enables you to adjust the spring with a c- spanner with the weight on the car or not its your choice as we need to be quick in motorsport they work brilliantly.
    So recap for those not mechanically minded place bottom platform on leg then washer/bearing/washer then spring top hat.
    As regards welding tube onto leg we always weld all round tube but tig weld less heat or distortion and more than strong enough !
    Hope this is of some help, ive got them on the husky!.

    DIDDY!

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to DIDDY For This Useful Post:


  5. #44
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    as a note i bought the raldes ones on weekend.bottom and adjuster rings defo machined alloy and not sure of top cap as ive not opened packet but looks sound enough whatever? nov/06

  6. #45
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    for fitting rollertop mounts to 2.8 bilstiens you need a spacer set. so with help and pics from mk1 matt and niel cos heres a rough guide when using coilover kit.

    ok with matts dimensions as a guide i made the spacers. using the longer spacer at the bottom will raise the ride hight just under an inch as compared to swapping it to the top.im putting it on the bottom and hope that i can then lower to the correct hight i want using my adjustable struts. my roller tops are old with a 3/4 inch hole (18.8mm) so the long spacer is 29mm long, 30mm dia, cut down to 18.75 for 6.5mm. short one is 12mm long,again 30mm dia cut down to 18.75 for 6.5mm. the 2.8 billy shaft is 15.75 mm dia so i had to drill both spacers and the spring top cap 16mm as that was closest i had.
    heres a link to thread with pics.

    http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=112125

  7. #46
    Bodger Anto's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Laois, Ireland
    Age
    39
    Posts
    96
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Hi lads, im about to convert my struts to coilovers and have a question for all of ye. Im using a pair of 2.8i billys, coilover conversion kit, 200ib springs, alloy top mounts, spacer and nut kit and 300/70 long grp4 inserts.
    My question is when i take out my old inserts and tap the bottom of the strut and insert the new insert should there be a dust seal or something at the top of the strut casing?????
    I have a oic attached with a black arrow pointing to where im talking about. Ive being trying to figure this one out and i cant figure out whats to stop dirt nd sh*t going down between the insert and the casing!

  8. #47
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    there was/is a press on seal / cover around the top of the tube where you arrowed. mike.

  9. #48
    Pit Crew Decade Plus User TepiTheFinn's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Finland
    Age
    51
    Posts
    1,226
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Cheers, Tepi

  10. #49
    Mechanic

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    southampton
    Age
    38
    Posts
    807
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Re: Coil over conversions

    so on the bilstein struts after the primary peices have been stripped off the strut leg, to remove the insert do you have to undo the nut on the bottom and also remove the brass cap he top of the strut body? how do people remove this? i take it its knock off and not threaded? also to get rid of the original spring platform is it just a case of getting the grinder out?
    cheers. paul

  11. #50
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    once you undo the bottom (lock) nut you also have to unthread the insert from the bottom,it then pulls up n out.on 2.8i billys the seal then taps up n off.
    i found the neatest way to remove spring cup was to hacksaw around above the weld then grind off the remainder.

  12. #51
    Tyre Kicker jay_harrier's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Berkshire
    Posts
    20
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    To protect the tube theads from dirt I use a mountain bike inner tube held in place with zip ties having first sprayed the threads with chain lube for bikes (Castrol sticky snot stuff)

    The zip ties are the latch release type so on the rare occasions I want to adjust the height they're not too bad to release.

    The inner tube works quite well on the piston too, doesn't need to be a mountain bike tube though & the same for rose joints etc. Always grease them though with a rubber compatable grease.

    Some people may sneer but who's sneering when I'm not cleaning dirty, rusty threads?

  13. #52
    Spanner Monkey

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    nottinghamshire
    Age
    49
    Posts
    176
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Whats the best way to weld the threaded tube round the top,all the way round,just located by a few tacks or not at all.cheers

    sven

  14. #53
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    either several good beads or all the way.
    not at all may upset the ride a tad

  15. #54
    World Champion Decade Plus User meXEco's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    TRURO
    Age
    52
    Posts
    5,250
    Thanks
    246
    Thanked 155 Times in 148 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Didnt think the top got welded too? Wasnt planning on doing mine??


    '68 1100 Deluxe-bog stock soon to be a twincam rep.


  16. #55
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Quote Originally Posted by meXEco View Post
    Didnt think the top got welded too? Wasnt planning on doing mine??
    i didnt notice the TOP word !

    just the bottom of the tube is normally welded.

  17. #56
    Spanner Monkey

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    nottinghamshire
    Age
    49
    Posts
    176
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Just got these back after about 7 months very happy with the welds BUT should l get the gussets welded on or is it a bit over the top for a road car, plus how about cutting the old brake pipe brackets off , this is all before l get them nickel and powder coated that is.
    cheers

    sven

  18. #57
    Spanner Monkey

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Bedfordshire
    Posts
    327
    Thanks
    33
    Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Can i just ask people opinions please?...
    i have a set of bilstein shocks and im torn between sending them to gaz to be made to coilovers or coverting them and getting some short tarmac inserts the car will be used mainly on the road with occasional trackdays?
    any advice welcome
    thanks

  19. #58
    Pit Crew Decade Plus User markjabber's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Merthyr Tydfil (GOD's country)Wales UK
    Age
    58
    Posts
    1,214
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    I have changed my billys to coil over with 300/70 short and 9" 30lb springs this will lower car about 3" in center of adjustmen (depending on whee you weld your tube, mine is 1" from top) but you an raiseit up slighly if this is too low

  20. #59
    Pit Crew Decade Plus User scrote's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Snetterton
    Posts
    1,224
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Quote Originally Posted by sven View Post
    plus how about cutting the old brake pipe brackets off ,
    I would cut them off if you're not using them.....
    I didn't , then when I crashed , that bracket cut through the underwing turret leg thingy making more repair work

  21. #60
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Quote Originally Posted by markjabber View Post
    I have changed my billys to coil over with 300/70 short and 9" 30lb springs this will lower car about 3" in center of adjustmen (depending on whee you weld your tube, mine is 1" from top) but you an raiseit up slighly if this is too low
    i put my thread on 2" down and the lower seat aint far from the bottom. for short inserts i would go down 3" min at top, tho the thread tubes may vary in lenghth?
    i also have 11" springs tho so thats a 2" factor.....

  22. #61
    Pit Crew Decade Plus User markjabber's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Merthyr Tydfil (GOD's country)Wales UK
    Age
    58
    Posts
    1,214
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Here are some pics of mine

  23. #62
    Spanner Monkey

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    nottinghamshire
    Age
    49
    Posts
    176
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    What would be the minimum shock travel for a capri (2.0 strut).
    Just put mine together and tested them on the car and Ive only got 40mm max travel!
    Its about 2 1/2 inch lower than standard with 2oolb 2.25 springs free length 9" with the wheels(280's) just tucked up in to the archs plus roller top mounts.
    Ive lowered the cross member 15mm to componsite a bit, but it only gives me an extra 5mm travel!
    Threaded sleeve welded 2" down.
    is there any thing else to try EXCEPT rising the car.?

    sven

  24. #63
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    i think im coprrect in saying that lowering the x/m will just further upset your geometry. it wont affect the distance between floor and top mnt, your issue is lowered car and roller tops which increase the strut shaft lenghth. try std tops, or / and check the "tophat spacers" if you fitted any are correct for min strut shaft lenghth.
    or but short billys
    hope it makes some sense.

  25. #64
    Spanner Monkey

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    nottinghamshire
    Age
    49
    Posts
    176
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Your right about lowering the X member upsetting the geometry ,I have rised the steering rack to compensate a bit and going to bend the steering arms as well to help with the lowering.But the TCAs will be horizontal!

    got the right spacers fitted may just need proper short struts.
    Any ideas how much short ones are?anyone?
    sven

  26. #65
    Mechanic davejupp's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    bexleyheath
    Age
    46
    Posts
    855
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Im just making some Coil overs but my bodys dont look like this at the top they have a screw top are they any good and can i fit Bilstein in them as they are oil shocks in them and the top is about 14mm so the aolly top mounts dont fit?


    [q

    uote=TepiTheFinn;1283303][/quote]

  27. #66
    Mechanic davejupp's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    bexleyheath
    Age
    46
    Posts
    855
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Anyone help?

  28. #67
    Part of the furniture Decade Plus User trig's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    bristol
    Age
    44
    Posts
    10,882
    Thanks
    892
    Thanked 209 Times in 200 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    They sound like Rs struts not billy's mate.

  29. #68
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    if the ones shown are billys and yours have a screw in cap which retains the shocker then yours are rs type.
    providing the threaded tube fits then you can "coilover " yours.
    you cant fit the proper billy upsidedown style insert but i believe peter lloyds sell a bilstien insert in the same style as yours
    you can no doubt get/make spacer tubes to fit the top mnt.
    hope that makes some sense

  30. #69
    Mechanic davejupp's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    bexleyheath
    Age
    46
    Posts
    855
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    ok so i have the rs ones so upside down ones will not fit? what will? need small hole tipe i have made them in to adj ones. where do i go from here, this is stopping me from building the reat of my car

  31. #70
    Moderator+ Decade Plus User
    Turbosport Subscriber
    Turbosport Moderator
    dangerousdave's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    London
    Age
    37
    Posts
    15,132
    Thanks
    65
    Thanked 255 Times in 248 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Speak to GAZ they were £150 for the inserts with ts discount and a 2 week wait. Also speak to TJM on here for one of his coilover conversions if he still has any left, just make sure your outer diameter of the top of the tube where the nut is is 50mm and no more than about 50.4mm i have had 2 pairs which were 50.8mm and my sleeves didnt fit so have gone for gaz converted legs which are about £240 the pair with ts discount

    As for the topmount, is the shaft too small in the bearing, if so there are washers and nuts with sleeves on to sleeve it down to fit your inserts, again i gaz can supply these and the topmounts if you dont already have them.

    This is all if you go for gaz of course

  32. #71
    Mechanic davejupp's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    bexleyheath
    Age
    46
    Posts
    855
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post
    Speak to GAZ they were £150 for the inserts with ts discount and a 2 week wait. Also speak to TJM on here for one of his coilover conversions if he still has any left, just make sure your outer diameter of the top of the tube where the nut is is 50mm and no more than about 50.4mm i have had 2 pairs which were 50.8mm and my sleeves didnt fit so have gone for gaz converted legs which are about £240 the pair with ts discount

    As for the topmount, is the shaft too small in the bearing, if so there are washers and nuts with sleeves on to sleeve it down to fit your inserts, again i gaz can supply these and the topmounts if you dont already have them.

    This is all if you go for gaz of course
    Ok ive done the conversion to the body. shaft is to big m14

  33. #72
    Tyre Kicker

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Age
    46
    Posts
    7
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Guys, need some help please, im after some pictures of your car height vs the coilover tube placement

    Mainly what i need is a pic of how your car sits, and a pic of where your threaded tube is welded and the length of tube you used, or just purely the specs of the bootom of the tube location and the top of the tube location(measured from the top down)

    I have a MK1 escort 2 door with MK Capri struts to be converted and go in

    I really want to get this right 1st time to make my life easy

    If you ca host feel free to email them to me at thumpainc@bigpond.com

    Cheers Matt

  34. #73
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    mount it 3 inch from the top and job done.

    you didnt mention spring lenghth which is relevant, mine are 11" and the threads 2" from top, should be 3" in my opinion for 11" springs. shorter springs will adjust from that point no problem.

  35. #74
    Tyre Kicker

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Age
    46
    Posts
    7
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    Quote Originally Posted by alladdin View Post
    mount it 3 inch from the top and job done.

    you didnt mention spring lenghth which is relevant, mine are 11" and the threads 2" from top, should be 3" in my opinion for 11" springs. shorter springs will adjust from that point no problem.
    3" are you for real, i seen earlier in this thread that 2" from the top was heaps

    Plus getting the parts over here is hard too, choise is very limited, all the ebay crap alloy slip on ones are flooding the market

    Have you got the pics to show me what it looks like?

  36. #75
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    i am indeed very much for real i put mine 2" down and used 11" springs. with the strut assembled i think 3" would be better.
    use this info as a ref point. if you use shorter springs ie 10" then put it 2" down. etc. etc.
    get parts from raldes.

    or simply dont believe me

  37. #76
    Bodger

    My 1st Project
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    telford
    Age
    50
    Posts
    173
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    heres mine 3 inches down from the top
    and will have 12 inch by 170 Lb springs



  38. #77
    Tyre Kicker

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Age
    46
    Posts
    7
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    So whats the most univeral streetable spring rate, i wad thinking around the 200/225 mark? i have a 2.3 pinto in my car and are about to order the coils etc

    Im thinking the tube 3" down with 12" coils would be ok, or the tube 2" down with 10" coils

    Does this sound about right guys?

  39. #78
    World Champion Decade Plus User alladdin's Avatar

    My 1st Project
    My 2nd Project
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    s.wales
    Age
    60
    Posts
    9,200
    Thanks
    167
    Thanked 446 Times in 432 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    if your roads are smooth then yes,they may suit, if rough then i would say 190

  40. #79
    Pole Position Decade Plus User M11rf's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Bangkok, Thailand, Thailand
    Age
    45
    Posts
    4,346
    Thanks
    479
    Thanked 154 Times in 139 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions





    I've just had these made from some Subaru Legs. Bilstein Inserts and roller bearing top mounts.
    Not fitted to the car another few months so they are an unknown at the moment...

  41. #80
    Bodger

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    devon
    Posts
    73
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Coil over conversions

    hi all can any one tell me why my front shock are bottoming out???

    have 205/50/15 wheels and tyers on a 9" spring with a 300/70 short insert have lowerd to a desierd hight>basicly theres 1/2-1" play in the insert?obivousley this is not efficaint.what do i do?do i cut the tube around 3" or so or is this not recomended???any help please?????????????cheers

+ Reply to Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts