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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    Many thanks Graham , Ian Ellis , my engine builder won't touch synthetc oils for these NORD ally twincams. Only uses mineral oil due to the synthetics additive package --- some things not wanted in the package and others missing from it , particularly for running in. Apparently they don't allow ' wearing ' in being so slippery. It'll have Valvoline in there when I get it back then unless he advises against , I'll drain at 600 and refill with Millers Classic Performance 20w50 NT.
    I've used Millers 5w40 NT Synthetic race in my Stylus Sprint car ever since it came out. Just itching to get it home now that I'm 8 weeks post hip resurfacing(got two now !!!)

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    Well , it's done 230 miles running in to date , up and down the box to max 4500rpm , just touching 5000 on a down change a few times. Tried to find nice B roads to avoid constant speeds in any gear plus it's easier to let it decelerate down hills without annoying anyone wanting to get somewhere on time. It's very much more fluid even at this stage than day 1 but isn't really smooth unless at 3000rpm or more. Carbs , after having throttle bodies for the last 9 yrs , are touchy in low revs , or at least they are if the engine's uprated. The crank was good , just needed a polish where some bits of ally ''piston hole'' had passed by ! So was lightened and balanced , as were the new HC pistons and new steel H rods(Chinese --- ooooh , should I have chosen them ?). New liners , new bearings all round , although the originals hadn't been in there long and looked ok ---- but being a belt and braces man. The head's lightly skimmed literally almost now't to make sure it's flat then ported and valve seats angled 45 degrees , then fitted with 1mm larger inlets with standard exhaust valves ---- valve guides etc etc. Could have chosen Italian original hot cams but on advice from Ian Ellis regarding more lightness plus better performance , went for rifle drilled CATCAMS 12mm lift and 292 duration. The old fan and radiator were thrown and an electric fan fitted in front of the rad , an electric fuel pump fitted replacing the old mechanical one and a blanking plate over the hole left. The spark and timing is all dealt with by a new 123 Distributor with revcut built in but can be adjusted from the 6500 rpm set as standard once it's fully run in and put on the rollers to optimise everything. The Dellortos were rebuilt plus new ally inlets fitted to avoid any air leaks. The clutch had been fitted just before I bought it and a lightened flywheel fitted too.
    The final spend , even though the original manifold/exhaust was all good , was a stainless steel manifold and exhaust system from Alfaholics which is larger but still passes DB's at trackdays , even with their 200 plus HP Alfa Coupe Race car , so my little beast having a lot less than that should go through easily at sprints. At their bhp level it gives 10 more bhp , so may well provide my rebuild 5 plus . I have no clue what these mods will do regarding power at this stage but torque feels really good. Once it's been on the rollers I'll find out , after they've fiddled with jets/curves/advance . Apparently the claimed 130bhp on a new 2lt Alfa GTV 105 series , is not strictly true. I'm told that a good Alfa 2lt 105 is anywhere between 115 and 120 bhp and it's a damn good one if 120 , that's what several rolling road guys have reported after having rebuilt engines to optimise. So if I get 40bhp out of these mods(160bhp total) I'll be very happy.

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    cool, glad to hear your up and running again

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    I may well be banished from this board for this, but that is spectacular! Way nicer than any Escort, and probably better value now too. Stunning!
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    Today's run out has brought her up to 300 miles in total , so closer to an oil drain and pulling the head down at 500 miles. The rear wheels felt warm after getting home so possibly the handbrake is on a little or even wheel bearings not great ?

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    wont be wheel bearings, if they were worn enough to make the wheels hot you would hear them a mile off. might be handbrake linkage in rear drums sticking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stylussprinter View Post
    Today's run out has brought her up to 300 miles in total , so closer to an oil drain and pulling the head down at 500 miles. The rear wheels felt warm after getting home so possibly the handbrake is on a little or even wheel bearings not great ?
    Thanks Graham , I think you're right. Although they're discs all round I only learned the handbrake works off little drums/shoes , having been talking to Mr Ellis about it before reading your reply.

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    Haven't been out in the Alfa yet but I stripped the rear brakes on Friday and fitted new discs with Ferodo 2500's and cleaned up the handbrake shoes/ lubed the pivots/adjusted. Now the handbrake holds at 2/3 clicks rather than yanked up in the air and still barely hold. Not sure if that's sorted anything else though. What I did find was RUST !!! --- I poked around at some underseal that seemed risen above the rest and it pushed through from inner wheelarch to spring turret ! Another little spend -- it's too thin for me to weld , I'm not up to that standard. Mostly weld heavier stuff and down to 1.6 mm cds tube.
    Apart from that , I've now done 465 miles since rebuild so next week hope to drain the oil and pull the head down. Apparently 66 ftlbs is the figure to go for after undoing each one by 1.5 turns. Seems very light lbs , possibly as it's all ally ?
    I'd intended fitting new discs/pads up front but found that I couldn't get the calliper out of the way after removing the bolts --- flexy s.steel hose yes but only to the upright. The rest was steel pipe and didn't disconnect from the calliper because I had no new fluid in stock --- bugger. The hub has to come off the bearing too then unbolt the disc from the hub -- ugh. What seemed a quick job isn't going to be as I've never drained brake fluid and bled on a car with servos before ?

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    im no expert but 66lb sounds about right.

    brake bleeding with a servo is not different to without. try not to let the system drain dry, thats when most problems occur and you find the master cylinder seals wont seal any more. if i were you i would unbolt the pipe pull the calpier off and screw it back into the pipe again to stop the fluid draining, swap the disc, refit caliper and pipe, and bleed that side before moving onto changing teh disc the other side. much less risk of it draing dry and master problems. with old cars my preference for bleeding is NOT to pump the pedal just open bleed nipple and let gravity do its thing or use a pressure bleeder, reason being old master cylinders often crap out when pumping brakes to bleed especially if they have drained down
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    The engine's done 670 miles now and the head got pulled down , oil/filter changed at 515 miles last weekend. Kept to a mineral oil though for the last stage of running in , say another 700 or so miles then I'll drain it again and fill with Millers Classic Performance 20w50 Nanotech , a synthetic but still containing the important zddp that these old engines like. The distributor is from Alfaholics , a 123 dizzy that's programmable plus has a revcut. Once I get it on the rollers then it can be optimised. Right now it's on a safe curve and not the optimum advance plus the revcut is set at 6500rpm.
    Since reaching 600 miles I've been maxing at 5000 revs but just on down changes or the occasional pushing on along the level straights for half a mile before knocking it down in revs. I've not touched my next stage max revs yet (I thought 5500 revs and agreed with Ian Ellis/engine builder)and it's an absolute max not a constant use max. She pulls 100mph in 5th at 5000 revs and the dizzy revcut is 6500 rpm , so a good few miles away from that yet --- easy does it.
    The new brakes are done all round now and bedded in (16 semi hard stops with cooling down distances in between)and today the rust hole in the rear left inner wing has been done. No further rust behind the hole so it's treated and welded flush plus treated and rubberised paint on top. I'm intending to drill a little hole at the top of the repair then squirt DYNATROL in there and plug the hole with SIKAFLEX(probably do the other side too in case there's rust trying to get going inside unseen.
    I've bought a new fuel tank , so that needs fitting after I've adapted the filler pipe to fit my LE MANS type filler. (the pinhole leak near the top stops me filling the tank) Then I need a new main beam bulb ready for the mot in October. Lastly the setup needs sorting , it pulls left on tat roads , fine on smooth A roads.

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    Tank's fitted now. The castor , camber and toe is all set up now. The steering wheel wasn't dead centre to steer straight ahead , so the obviously found the steering rods to be unequally adjusted. Castor is now 3.5 with camber at 1.9 negative and zero toe. Filled the steering box right up with Millers glupy stuff , after removing the air filter and backplate for access.
    Full radius trumpets should arrive tomorrow , so will fit them while the filter's off the carbs. Actually there were none fitted when I removed the filter which surprised me , so should run better with some on.

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    Full radius trumpets fitted , not without some problems though. Really difficult to get the nuts bolts done up , due to the very small gap between the rear of the full radius flares and the bolt face. Then I realised why there were no trumpets fitted --------- it was almost impossible to get the pipercross filter back on. I jacked the engine up only on the carbs side , to make space between the inner wing and the trumpets. Even so , it wouldn't go on without removing the inner steel mesh , so the filter could be squeezed past the gap. Once the bottom edge of the filter was slotted in the backplate , I managed to refit the steel mesh then clip up the top fastenings.
    The plus side is ------------------ I'm amazed at how the engine responds on the throttle with the full radius on , very sharp and sounds totally different too.

    Next thing to do was to fit a new wiper motor which mean't removing the scuttle cover body panel , between the lower windscreen and bonnet. Now it's fitted the speeds are quicker in 1st and fast speed switches. It wasn't easy though , adjusting the motor drive spindle to mechanism drive bar was guesswork at best but finally I did get the wipers to not collide and park at the bottom of the screen.
    I still have the mainbeam fault to find though , before it's appointment with the MOT garage.

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    Today it has a new MOT for another year --- brilliant but not without some help . Couldn't sort the headlight issue so REES & ALLEN in Aylesbury made a new headlights loom and fitted while I waited -- £90 cash.

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    So?????
    When's its outing at goodwood, still need to see this��
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    Quote Originally Posted by justin View Post
    So?????
    When's its outing at goodwood, still need to see this��
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    I've no date yet for a Goodwood general test day , last year I had to chase them for a specific day as nothing was advertised . It used to be the 1st Tuesday of the month for testing but since the new MEMBERS race day April/March , it's a bit muddled. It will either be a TEST DAY early April or the CLASSIC ALFA annual trackday in JULY. Missed it this year due to having a new hip sorted.
    Feels good though . Went out today to add another 80 miles to the running in period --- 815 miles total since rebuild now , then around the 1300 miles mark I'll drain the oil and change the filter again (2nd time since rebuild). That's a mineral oil 20/50 but at 1300 it'll get MILLERS 20w50 Racing Nanotech plus ZX1 Extralube , ready to get revved on the rolling road.
    The next 700 miles will be driven between now and March -- insurance limited mileage agreement.

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    yep i love these cars too. does sometimes give you the itch escort or these.
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    872 miles after yesterday's run out , mostly 4 to 5000 revs but touching 6000 rpm on occasions for a few seconds when passing other cars (even in this 42 yrs old girl that's shifting in 4th and 5th) Also feels way better acceleration wise without Andy Clark as my passenger !

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    Going to pick up a COBRA race seat from another AROC member tomorrow. He has a similar car but with a lot more grunt at 185bhp !!! . It's a passenger seat so not had much wear and will be £50 . Any of you who are as ancient as me may remember Billy Cotton on the black and white telly ? Conducted a band . Well apparently he also was a petrol head and raced a bit at BROOKLANDS but the point of mentioning him is that his grandson is the guy I'm buying the seat from(also an ALFA nut with a similar car to mine) Known quite well within the AROC as Mick Cotton/daughter also on the telly ----- small world isn't it !!!

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    i can remember him "just" you have me looking at these cars now,wish i had never seen this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridgeman View Post
    i can remember him "just" you have me looking at these cars now,wish i had never seen this thread.
    They are definitely addictive , especially the wide arched GTAm's whether original AUTODELTA built or replicas like mine. The originals with racing history sell for upwards of £60,000 . I reckon mine's had more spent since buying it (including purchase ££) than it's actually worth right now. However , longterm it should increase in value hopefully. Hagerty have insured it/agreed value of £30,000 with my suspension mod's/wheels/tyres/brake overhaul and recent engine rebuild/upgrade. I think the actual selling price today would more likely be around £25,000 which is what it owes me.
    Better than my Stylus though which will only lose what it's cost me , by a huge amount.

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    yep if i go for one i won't mess about big budget mmmmmmm,
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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    cant disagree

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    I took the GTAm to the BICESTER HERITAGE 7th Scramble on the 3rd of January 2016 , which by the time I'd collected my son from Silverstone then off down the A43 to Bicester and back , then home ----- clocked up 120 miles. Total now 1152 miles including other shorter runs before Xmas. Been putting DYNAX everywhere I can find to get it in after drying the car out , door cards off etc , fan heater on for days then fan without heat for even longer. Couldn't get into the chassis though , it needs to be up on a ramp , to be able to twist the spray nozzle around for good coverage.
    The MSA's new regs meant selling my helmet bought last year(no hans posts)and buying new again plus a hans device. Went off to the AUTOSPORT show yesterday and got myself the best deal I could manage for both ----- KODEN CARBON FIBRE helmet with posts plus a Stand 21 HANS device for £495 the pair !!!

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    She's done 1224 miles to date , so ready for the last oil drain of mineral oil that was in the sump for running in. I've been revving up to 6300 rpm on the last 70 miles on Monday this week. Once the Millers Classic Performance 20w50 Nanotech goes in , I'll get it booked into Novatech Rolling road to optimise fuel/timing. Next it needs a harness bar welding in , to connect my harness then it's very first outing on track will be the BRIGHTON & HOVE GOODWOOD SPRINT 7th May .
    This is going to be a very steep learning curve for me , even though I've competed for 16yrs , but it's been in a 575kgs kit car with 231bhp and highly developed by myself. The GTAm will be a different ball game to drive quickly at a competitive pace ------------------- mustn't bend it either , I bought it as an investment !!!

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    Alfa4349 (Small).jpgAlfa4347 (Small).jpgRolling road day came and went and after some adjustment of static advance plus jetting at NOVATECH in Slough , she made 150.6bhp 131 lbft . I was in a class of 22 cars at Goodwood , from Caterhams , Elise , various classics and loads of moderns as I call 90's cars . I ended up 13th in class with 113.46 sec's best lap , 1st in class being the Elise at 97 sec's and last in class at 120 sec's plus .
    The Alfa behaved well on my guestimate set-up which was satisfying and the day was dry and hot , so plenty of grip . Martyn Phillis , a fellow sprinter , sent me these pics of my Woodcote rumble exit then Chicane entry , exit . Alfa4351 (Small).jpg

    The middle photo is actually Woodcote exit rumble strip , so should have been 1st in my post --- sorry.
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    That's a great looking car

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    She's all washed and polished ready for the off in the morning to BICESTER HERITAGE 9th SCRAMBLE . It'll be in front of the CLASSIC OILS stand from 9-00am to 2-00pm if it stays fine.

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    IMG_1485 (Small).JPG A fabulous sunny day at the BICESTER HERITAGE CENTRE and my Alfa GTAm on the Classic Oils stand next to an MGA

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    Re: Alfa Romeo GTV 2lt 1972 to GTAm replica

    Abingdon Carnival sprint will be the next event with my Alfa on the 4th June . So far there are 11 cars entered in my class A4 / roadgoing up to 2lt but likely to be more by the 4th .

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    All ready for Abingdon , fuelled up , washed and polished etc , just needs the competition number when they arrive in the post ! Two weeks after that there's a classic car and steam rally locally to me , at STARTOP FARM , MARSWORTH HP23 4LL ---- 19th June . I've booked my place .

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    Abingdon got me a few points but ended up 7th in class from 11 entries . My last event was Goodwood on 6th Aug which was very successful to the tune of almost 3 secs quicker than in May . Best lap was 111.27 secs and 12th out of 22 entries , again modern cars beating me , Elise , Caterham , Wesfield , Honda Type R , Clio 197bhp etc , you get he picture.
    I had intended running the STYLUS for the rest of this season but just found out I'm 3rd in class from 12entries so far in the ACSMC Champ'p , so will continue with my GTAm and try to maintain 3rd position , in my first season with the car. One of the Honda Type R's is 1st and the Clio 197 2nd , so 2nd isn't on the cards if I'm realistic , unless either has some problem . It would be nice to get 3rd and brilliant to get 2nd !

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    cool, well done, glad your enjoying it

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    cool, well done, glad your enjoying it
    Thanks Graham , I really live competing in this car , even though it's 18secs slower than the Stylus . It actually feels fast regardless of the slower laptime. Getting in the Stylus again then trying to get it's best laptime(93.27secs)will likely frighten the he'll out of me when I drive it next year after a year out of it . Age doesn't help though !

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    Loaded up the GTAm rep , ready to leave at 5-00am tomorrow for Goodwood's Tonbridge Wells MC Sprint . I'd like to go quicker again than the Aug 6th sprint there , which was quicker than my first sprint in the GTAm rep at Goodwood. We'll see !

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    I did go quicker but not what I was targeting (1 sec - or better). No practice laptime due to catching a Mazda RX8 that'd rear ended itself at St Mary's entry , so followed it back to the paddock with it's rear bodywork hanging off by a thread.
    However , my first timed run was 111.01 secs which is 0.7sec quicker than my Aug 111.7secs best . Second run was 111.16secs so didn't crack the 110's . It's at least been a progression from May 7th at Goodwood of 113.46secs best . So 2.45secs quicker after 3 attempts . No results yet but obviously wasn't close to a podium 1,2 or 3rd .

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    Turns out I was 8th in a class of 12 cars and 62nd overall from 117 entries. My opposition were all modern cars like 200 bhp CLIO 's , 235t BMW , RX8 , MX5's , etc , so quite pleased against those , mine having 151bhp .

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    Ended up 2nd in the class championship ACSMC in 2016 from 14 entries , so really chuffed . Same ACSMC Champ this year , this Saturday 5th Aug I'm at GOODWOOD BRIGHTON & HOVE EAGLE Sprint . No pit help as my son is overloaded at work , so anyone fancy helping would be great ? I'm leaving ASTON CLINTON at 5-00am to arrive Goodwood for 7-00am ish , unloading etc . TEXT 07766694367 if you can help ?

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    Hot morning but absolutely pissing down after lunch . Practice in the dry was 111.22secs then 110.22secs 2nd practice , both were faster that last year's personal best of 111.27secs . Rain buggered up the chance of even better runs , at 135.17secs then 116.53secs after it dried some . Class of 14 and got 7th with only 3 other classics , the rest were moderns with more grunt but my 110.22 secs practice would have made me 3rd .

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    KOP HILL CLIMB this Saturday 16th Sept and I've got an entry this year , then the next Saturday 23rd I'm at Goodwood for the TWMC sprint . The 1st Oct I have an entry for DEBDEN Sprint then on the 8th Oct the Eelmoor sprint nr Aldershot MOD Driver training ground . Running 3rd in the ACSMC Sprint championship in class A4 but hoping for 2nd .

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    very pretty car

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