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    Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    I've seen the question "Which wheels are these" asked so many times that I thought I'd better post this :



    Capri Laser wheels are 6" x 13" with taper seat wheel nuts and have thicker spokes than the Mk2 RS wheels





    RS2000 Mk2 wheels are 6" x 13" with flat seat wheel nuts - earlier GKN manufactured wheels have slightly thinner spokes than the later Ford only branded RS 4 spokes (Dove grey and polished)




    Both have the same offset and use the same centre caps (Capri ones were plain black RS ones have RS on them)

    7" x 13" wheels were offered in the Ford RS parts catalogue as an accessory for Capri and Fiesta (fitted with X-pack round arch extensions)
    These were not listed for Escorts by Ford Motor company even though they do fit. These use flat seat wheel nuts. These have a Ford RS logo cast into one of the spokes. (these are made by Ronal - on one spoke)
    Finished in silver metallic



    Picture courtesy of Kel

    7.5" x 13" wheels were offered as an accessory for Escort and Capri with wing extensions (ie X-packs) and these use flat seat wheel nuts. These are made by ATS (on the back of one spoke) Finished in silver metallic.


    Wheel nuts for standard 6"x13 "factory fit wheels are chrome with flat washers and the 7" and 7.5" wheels could use these or be fitted with Black chromed nuts which were listed in the catalogue along with centre caps that had a black RS logo on a silver back ground ( still the same size cap though).

    There are also 6" x 13" GP1 wheels, which are made by ATS, these are the same width as the standard wheel but have deeper spokes - the wheel nuts sit down deeper holes, and have webs on the rear of the spokes to provide extra strength, these have an H75ab part number on the front of the wheel on one spoke, which identify them as a unique RS part. Silver metallic again.



    Then FWD offset wheels were made for Fiesta SuperSport in a 6" x 13" - these have very little rim to them, and the Series X accessory catalogue lists 6" x 13" for Fiesta, Escort 3 and Cortina - these are very similar to SuperSport rims but they have an RS and Ford logo cast into one of the spokes.(branded as Ronal) Silver again.

    SuperSport Wheels :

    (thanks to RobRS2 for the above picture)

    Ronal Series-X FWD wheels (Thanks to MondeoMark for the photo)


    Then there are the Mk1 wheels 5.5" x 13" for a standard Mk1 Escort, flat seat, Pearl grey metallic and diamond cut and laquered finish. These use centre caps which push through from behind.

    And the Gp1 Mk1 wheels 6"x13" flat wheel nut seat, with the tyre valve coming out of one of the spokes through a circular casting and centre caps which fit from behind.



    I have also seen (well I've got one actually) a version of the MK1 Gp1 wheel with a MK2 centre cap sized hole dated to 1980. (another Ronal) and painted silver metallic.

    6" x 14" 4 spoke alloys were also available, made by Pirelli and sold in Italy, these are really rare, and use a taper seat nut. I've only seen 1 set on a car, and one other set for sale.




    It's a minefield of confusion - that's without getting into RS3100 Capri and JPS Capri Mk2 wheel differences as well !!!!

    Good Luck.
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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels



    nah only kidding mate, very informative, and i had no idea there were so many variations,

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    what like the jps mkII capri wheels i have mate. Weird!

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Rob Get some piccies of each and I'll do another PDF for them LOL

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    here is earlier discussion about my strange 5,5x13 wheels with mk2 center caps

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    the 6" x 13" GP1 wheels. what they worth in mint condition and in poor condition nowerdays?

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    50+ each for a grp1

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    rob i take it you own a set(or maybe 2) of each of those wheels. are the wheel nuts a different size in depth between the 7" & 7.5" wheels? this is a good thing you have done rob.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    are the wheel nuts a different size in depth between the 7" & 7.5" wheels?
    They are the same wheel nuts for Mk2 Escort 6" wheels, 7" wheels and 7.5" wheels.

    (All flat seat, same depth 19mm hex 12mm thread)

    I have a set of each type of the Mk2 Escort wheels.

    6"x13" RS alloys, Gp1 6"x 13" alloys, 7"x13" Ronals, and 7.5 x 13" ATS alloys, and all the steel wheel variants too.

    2Quick4u christened it "The wheel museum"

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    christ glad i am not looking for a set i would probably end up with one of each as they all look quite similar until you point out the differences

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    when you said this................

    Gp1 Mk1 wheels 6"x13" flat wheel nut seat, with the tyre valve coming out of one of the spokes through a circular casting and centre caps which fit from behind.

    is that this wheel .if it is im after 1 if you know anyone who might have 1

    cheers
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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Nope think thats the one rob forgot!! Thats a 6" ronal i think, same spoke design as the 7" and 7.5" (as in inwards towards hub) but in 6"....very rare they are only seen 2 or 3 sets think dave (rs2000custom) has them on his rs2k

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Nope think thats the one rob forgot!! Thats a 6" ronal i think, same spoke design as the 7" and 7.5" (as in inwards towards hub) but in 6"....very rare they are only seen 2 or 3 sets think dave (rs2000custom) has them on his rs2k
    I didn't forget them Dave, as Jay is right, and the wheels I was describing are the same as the one he's posted the photo of.

    Dave "The Custom" has 7" Ronals on his car, not 6 inchers.

    I've added a photo of the 6" Gp1 Ronal to the original post.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    thought he meant the ones like those on your white rs2000

    Just goes to show this rs 4 spoke stuff is well confusing

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    now my 6j mk1 group1 wheels have just been delivered ,im a bit confussed on what caps should fit in there because the centre cap hole is bigger than the normal rs cap hole on 5 1/2 rs2000 alloy wheel.





    anyone got a pic of a centre cap that should fit my wheels please?

    cheers
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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Hi,
    wanting to install these wheels (Capri Laser 6"x13") on my Escort 940, which are the correct nuts if I want to keep the original studs (with English thread, not in metric)? Taper seat wheel nuts are ok?

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    If they are Capri Laser ones then the tapered nut is the one to use.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Can anyone tell me why when I try to save this post to my hard drive I don't see any pictures just red crosses.

    It's saving all the avitars and graemalins etc but not the pictures of the wheels ???

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Mexeco, have you got a picture of the taper seat wheels nuts for Capri Laser wheels?
    And has your Escort got original studs, with English thread?
    Thank you for your kindness.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels





    Here ya go mate-the tapered washer is loose around the nut on these.
    I am unsure which thread they are-the car is a 1969 mk1.

    Hope that helps mate.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    ps these were for the Capri Laser alloys fitted in pic below.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Wow! I never thought there are so many differences!
    I used those from a Capri Laser which I bought for 80 quid (a set of 5 with tyres, delivered) in 1999 on my 1969 Mk1 (very early model with bonnet release button on the front grille). I had to change the stud to Mk2's studs as the threads are different. Previously, I fitted those wheels to a Mk2 Escort using the same tappered nuts that came with the alloys. I have pics of these rims and will post here if anyone wanted to see. See my avatar.
    These alloys are so rare in this part of the world. I have never seen another Ford with RS 4-spoke alloys here. That should make them worth something
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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Anyone got a list of the part numbers and which cars they relate to?
    While you're there anyone know what these are off?
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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by Quarterless
    While you're there anyone know what these are off?
    13*6j*ch*19 h-81eb-aa 86
    My Capri laser has a very similar number on the wheels.
    Says 11 instead of h, the rest is the same so I would say Laser alloys .

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    i've got this one new wheel. is it also for capri laser?
    markings on spokes are:
    6Jx13xCHx19
    C 81 EB-AA
    05 83 (this must be date)

    on the backside it says: NK 7129/2

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    "I have also seen (well I've got one actually) a version of the MK1 Gp1 wheel with a MK2 centre cap sized hole dated to 1980. (another Ronal) and painted silver metallic."

    how can a mk1 wheel be dated 1980 ? would that date not sugest that the wheel was made 5 years after the mk1 ceased production ?
    also i think i have a jps capri alloy, i think they should be included for clarity ? mike.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    I'd say it was a Laser alloy Tepi.
    In very good condition.

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    Not sure what mine are ...better find out cos I'm sellin them!Will take some pics tomorrow and see what you think.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    I STILL haven't a clue what mine are...

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Haven't measured the width yet...or checked the markings
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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Look like rs2000 wheels to me
    Should be 6j and have a flat seat for the nut washer?

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJAY View Post
    now my 6j mk1 group1 wheels have just been delivered ,im a bit confussed on what caps should fit in there because the centre cap hole is bigger than the normal rs cap hole on 5 1/2 rs2000 alloy wheel.





    anyone got a pic of a centre cap that should fit my wheels please?

    cheers
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    Mine are not grp 1 but they have the same diameter center. 70mm I think. I got mine from speedshack.....

    Last edited by johnnyh; 22-01-2007 at 12:01.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    you have the aforementioned JPS capri wheels



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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by mogsmex View Post
    you have the aforementioned JPS capri wheels
    Who does? Me?

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Simple to check guys without looking at the wheel nuts,the webbing on the lazer wheel is a lot thicker than the rs wheel especialy as it gets closer to the wheel nut. Hope this helps.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    What is the offset of the x-pack ats 13x7.5? Thank you!

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Et = -19 .

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    Thank you Miniliteman! we are contemplating on changing our rs wheels with a 15x8 minilites and I was trying to determine what offset we needed? I found these http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp. Just an aprroximate. We have the ats 13x7.5 in a an x-pack bodykit.

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    Re: Spotters guide to RS four spoke alloy wheels

    so are these wheels as advertized?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESCORT-RS-...90870930852%26

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