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    Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    It seems as though Baby Atlas' with LSD's are few and far between...
    so, i was reading the posts in the archives that mention cutting a 52" Atlas (with LSD from a 2.8i Capri) to fit under standard Mk1 escort arches.

    Question is, how big a job is this?? do you just cut the tube, replace the half shafts and weld spring saddles? and... Can you retain the stock LSD & internals after cutting? Or is it more complex?

    Would i have to get Gartrac (for example) to do it for me?? or would a local guy be able to do it?

    What are all you other cossie guys running?

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    You will need to get the axle shortened Gartrac charge 185 (they replace the tubes completelr)
    Then a set of shafts and Group1 hubs from Quaife (Gartrac may have these in stock) circa 400
    It is worth thinking about getting the LSD rebuilt with Big Group4 Splines at this stage as they are stronger and if your buying the shafts you cant change later 250

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    I've heard RACE do a good job, or can supply Baby Atlas axles ready to go. Are they any better and/or better value than buying one & cutting it??

    Does anyone know the whereabouts of both Gartrac & RACE? Websites??

    Cheers.

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    www.gartrac.com

    dunno about race.

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    get gartrac to do it they have done one for my mk1 cortina it is the buisness

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    I was talking to Phil Squires at RACE yesterday and talking about axles and general crap and he says Quaife are having problems with their Gp1 shafts in that they are snapping at the flange end i.e. the nut and threaded part of the shafts are falling off

    The Squires twins get their shafts from somewhere else but he didn't say where

    The axle cases squires do are the original centre casting aka 'pigs head' which is shot blasted and crack tested new thick tubes fitted and pinned and the end flanges(shot blasted) welded back on, or the fully floating Gp4 type ends then you have a choice of 4 link brackets or tramp bar brackets, with or without turret brackets, with or without spring sadles, and with or without panhard rod bracket.
    They do them in all widths baby, narrow and wide
    All brackets are the pucker Group4 ones not the cheap and nasty rally design type ones. And all the welding is spot on, to look at it you would think it was done by a machine not a human

    also if your running big power go for the thicker group 4 sized shafts and matching side gears in the diff

    Steve

    btw squires don't have a website, but they advertise in Classic Ford now and again as well as Motoring News

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    MMmmm I may have to have a chat with them, as customers are llways asking this question. Steve do they have an email address?

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    Gartrac's axles are simler spec think walled etc, the Race ones look a work of art.

    The Quaife shafts have had trouble with one side becomming undone because its not a left hand thread (IMO) Quaife say it shouldnt be a problem (I disagree) they go on to say some dealers are selling the wrong nuts (i.e. not quaife) they are too deep and the nyloc bit donsnt lock over the thread properly, I have Quaife ones and they only just loc, I am having 2mm manchines off them so they are 100% fingers crossed.

    I still think the only cure is for them to supply a LH Threadded shaft.

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    I've been running the Quaife semi-floating kit (with the separate hub and bearing that bolts onto the axle case) with Gp4 shafts in a Baby Atlas on the back of my rally car (240bhp) for years without any problems
    Big nuts needed tightening after the first couple of events but not since then. Torqued up to 150 lb/ft.

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    I know you normally get what you pay for, but the car isn't used for racing or rallys.

    However, it is running a 330 bhp cossie with standard Mk1 arches, so what do you think is the best value for money, yet strong/long lasting option?

    E.g, Cutting & re-building a capri 52" one or newly built baby atlas from RACE? Any ideas on RACE pricing for the alternatives?

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    MMmmm I may have to have a chat with them, as customers are llways asking this question. Steve do they have an email address?
    Im not to sure Gary, I cant see it listed on their adds. Although I have seen one of those amstrad emailer phones in their office

    Steve

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    I've been running the Quaife semi-floating kit (with the separate hub and bearing that bolts onto the axle case) with Gp4 shafts in a Baby Atlas on the back of my rally car (240bhp) for years without any problems
    Big nuts needed tightening after the first couple of events but not since then. Torqued up to 150 lb/ft.
    I'm running this set up too and never had any problems apart from oil pissing out of the flanges. Its always pissed a little out, but on the recent track days it really pissed out onto the wheel and brake discs despite putting new seals and 'O' rings in.

    Did you have this problem with your set up Gavin? if so how did you overcome it?

    Cheers
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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    I had this problem for a while, now I run a bead of silicone sealant in a circle around the flange a little bit outside of the 'O' ring. Seems to work well

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    I've tried that Gavin, which has stopped it coming out of the flange, but it now seems to be coming out of the end by the nut strange I know but that what it apears to be doing as it is dry around the hub/flange area when I take the disc off but the nut and the outside of the wheel are covered in oil, and no the nut isn't loose, weird

    It wouldnt have took much for quaife to include a decent oil seal which runs on the shaft itself much like a fully floating one, dunno why they didnt do that rather than rely on a crappy thin 'O' ring


    cheers
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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    Andy Pipe kept on having that nut come undone, tried all sorts on it, finally drilled a 3 mm down between the shaft and nut and slid a 3mm roll pin in there, he has also broken a few shafts, and when Quaife looked at the last shaft to break they said.......
    Quaife,,"whats this roll pin in here for?"
    Andy.. "well how else can you keep the nut from coming undone"
    Quaife.. "point taken"

    Andy runs an English with a 1600 x-flow BTW and 7" slicks

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    Re: Cutting a wide Atlas to fit Mk1 Escos?? How easy??

    shortening the axle is relatively easy if you can get access to a lathe and a press and portapack. No rewelding saddles etc, just take a 20mm drill and drill out the welds on the back of the axle casing, using a porta pack press out the tubes, chop desired amount of material off. ( I chopped off 1.75" off each) stick em in a lathe and taper the firs two inches by 20thou, press them back in and fill in the previously drilled holes using dissimilar rod and bobs yer uncle see pics below. Then just buy the shafts etc and thats it.




    I did it and it was quite easy

    Good luck

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