Im looking for info/prices that people/companies would charge me for converting my mk2 escort from xflow to zetec!
Im looking for info/prices that people/companies would charge me for converting my mk2 escort from xflow to zetec!
Do most of it yourself, engine in and connect up pipes then if your no good with wiring get a pro to do that bit and set it up sorted
you make it sound so easyDo most of it yourself, engine in and connect up pipes then if your no good with wiring get a pro to do that bit and set it up sorted
i thought mods had to be made to shell to get the engine in??
i was hoping for a price, all in, so i can compare my engine options.
Its your faulty Gary, i hadnt even considered a zetec conversion till you replied to my xflow post
Have a look at my website. For a road car there is no need to modify the shell. I would alway reccomend fitting a larger gearbox tunnel if fitting a 5 speed though. Seriosly consider doing it yourself or you will be charged a fortune. It is not too difficult, and as mentioned call in a pro for the wiring if you get stuck. You are welcome to come up see my car (stored near Oxford) if you want, it's not finished but you will be able to see what needs doing.
www.zetecescorts.bravehost.com
Zetec is the way!!!
depends on how far you wanna go.. you can do it on the cheap and it'll worh fine ImO... or you can pull out all the stops and really make the most of it!
come on people, how much is it gonna cost me to
a.) do it myself
b.) get it done by a pro
im doing mine myself and have budgeted £1500 bought a car for the engine so can sell some parts spending a grand 2moro at retro ford for the conversion parts. however i am going with a cheap induction set up with a DGAV carb. but wot i would love to do is use motor bike throttle bodies! in retro cars/classic ford recently was a company who specialised in this and could put bike carbs on a car for about £500!!
so if you put the engine in yourself you can then let someone else plumb/wire in the bike carbs.
must be looking at about £2500 all in!
It will cost you less than a grand to do yourself with twin 40s and a megajolt ECU. You could be looking at double that to pay some one else to do it. There is a break down of costs on my website.
I think the costs on your website are a little optimistic there
Engine £250 (although I bought a mondeo for £120)
Retroford bits £520 (the bits to convert to RWD)
Pinto clutch £50
Exhaust manifold £185
2.25 exhaust £110ish
ST170 manifold £105
Throttle bodies £50
Fuel pump £30
pipes, wiring,etc£70
Emerald ECU £600
Total £1970
But I have a lot of valuable parts left over to sell now including alloy sumps, mounts, carbs, etc, etc so I should make my £1500 budget. You can save probably £300 if you use the megasquirt system and modify a 1.8 cvh sump yourself, make own engine mounts etc but I can't see how you can save much off of the cost.
So expensive but hopefully worth it. Plus I won't be scared off killing an expensive engine because I know that the engine itself only cost £250
Richard
As above, just do most of it yourself, easily under 2 grand if you do it, maybe 2.5-3k done by someone else if you can find someone. It will be no different to mounting a xflow with the retroford mounts and sump, their water rail will mean a bit of pipe (top hose) to front of block area to it, and another to water pump. Auto tunnel and 5speed....no need to move mounts just bolt it in and cut a hole in it for a gearlever, use the clutch mentioned above and then its in and all you got left is to plumb fuel lines in and ecu...simple
Ty, I'll answer your email question here, all I do with Zetecs is the bulkhead remodeling and the gear box tunnel. And also like I have said before, the dunnel sump is the best. The cheaper conversion will get you up and running, diy ecu's will work, a paper bag will keep your head dry in a rainstorm....
What I'm trying to say is.... a set of Weller steel wheels will do the same as some Image Split Rims or Minilites.
A hammer will knock a screw in, but a screwdriver is better at the job.
I know we havnt all got bottom less pits of money, but if anyone remembers Phoenix Escorts you'll understand why I have reservations about engines using modified sumps and also having seen some of the troubles that people have with ecu's (has anyone got a proper power figure and A/F ratio from a Fiesta ECU) I stand by the statement "160-170 BHP for £3000 is pretty damm good"
Parts.......... Dunnel..........
Sump, pick-up pipe, clutch, flywheel, engine mounts, inlet manifold
Parts ...........Raceline...........
water rail and thermostat housing
Parts.......... Steve Greenald.......
Carbs/ throttle bodies, ECU + loom, coil-pack, Mapping
Parts.......... Rally Design...........
Exhaust, Kenlowe, Oil Cooler, Air Filters. WCXM
Parts ......... S & C Electrical .........
Starter and Alternator.
Parts........ Local Motor factors........
Bits of water hose,etc. and the waterpump .
Parts........... Salvage yard.........
The Engine and gear box (for a type9)
Parts......... Escort Tec, Mr_Hoarder, 2quick4u,
RS2000 bell housing.
Parts.........Reco-Prop..........
Propshaft
Fabrication..........Retromotorsport Ltd..........
Bulkhead and gearbox tunnel (under £500)
cheers guys!
All seems a lot more complex than it needs to be IMHO.
Just talk to Dave Colledge at Retro Ford, he specialises in Zetec transplants and supplies everything you need from Sump, Water Rail, alternator brackets, Hydraulic concentric clutch release bearing, water pump, props etc etc through to a nice neat ally radiator
Call 01536 747978 or e-mail sales@retro-ford.co.uk
He also has had an advert in the last few issues of Classic Ford listing products and prices, one of which is a nice throttle body kit with Emerald ECU & Jenvey bodies etc at £1392 all in
One thing I cant understand is why does the bulkhead need cutting ? ? I've heard it said that moving the engine back in the bay helps with handling but as a Zetec is only 6kg heavier than a Crossflow it's still considerably lighter than a Pinto, it seems a bit overkill.... and money that doesnt really need to be spent.
It certainly didnt seem to upset Dave Colledges car at Brunters before Christmas, see the Suspension feature in the Jan 05 issue of Classic Ford.
You can also see in that feature a picture of an ST170 motor in a MkII with no bulkhead mods.
Speaking of ST170 motors that is a real cheap way to get a decent 170BHP+, Daves development car is running an ST170 motor with an Emerald ECU and a set of Motorcycle throttle bodies, at Northampton Motorsport the day before the Classic Ford feature the car made 140BHP at the wheels, with 175 at the fly with a base map.
As for Phoenix Escorts.. I've seen an Anglia that bloke worked on and personally I think the guy should be locked up.
Just because he couldnt fabricate to save his life doesnt mean that other companies cant modify sumps.
In fact... isnt the Dunnell one modified ?
I agree with you about Retro Ford. The stuff I bought from him was excellent quality. One problem with not modding the bulkhead is that the gearbox is moved forward by about an inch, just enough that I had to move the gearbox hole from its standard RS position. A lot easier than modding a bulkhead though! Plus with the Retro Ford mounts the engine is as far back as it will go so is in about the same place that a pinto would be, but with the lower weight its actually better for handling (weight is lower down too as the head is alloy).
Richard
went to retro ford on saturday and collected all my conversion parts. dave was as helpful as he could be as ever, top guy
i also saw the phoenix anglia the quality of work was shocking, an absolute disgrace. on the other hand all the work iv seen by dave is second to none i cannot reccomend his stuff enough
cannot rate the dunnell, raceline kit as i havnt seen much but if you ask me i say buy the retro ford kit
have a look at my orion on the wonderful! web site above matey!
my conversion cost me about £350 ish to do myself... if i can help you out anyway give me a shout!
I know the Phoenix escort kits all too well it was the biggest pile of garbage you could ever make the misfortune of coming across, I have also met and spoken with several people who subsequently where taking Mr Phoenix (graham I think it was) to court.
Retroford conversion parts are good and I would recommend Dave. Like zetecescort6 said he couldn't be a more helpful person.
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