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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by RETRO_AL
    looks wicked dave m8 shame im ganna blow you and graham away

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Speaking of settling in can I have a novice cross please Graham ,
    or did you use all of them to decorate the beemer

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Some engine pics





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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Bit of progress with the build lately, have 2 intercoolers now ready to fit in the car, the one piece front end is up at scuffs n stuff getting a little fettle
    and yesterday rebuilt the front hubs so that I could fit these little babies



    They are Hi Spec Monster 6 pot calipers on 335 x 32 mm discs

    Luckily I picked them up from a guy in work who's son was gonna use them on a sierra (twin turbo ) so they are unused.
    All that was required was a quick visit to Geoff at Hi spec to get a new set of centre bells and caliper brackets






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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    I like the AXLE STAND


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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    oh i've wet myself,awesome love it

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by andypipe View Post
    I like the AXLE STAND
    When you find me a set of 16's or 17's on ebay you can have them back
    There are axle stands there too btw

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    The only downside with these brakes is that 15's will no longer fit on the car.
    The smallest wheel that will clear is a group A spec 16" (or split rim) so I am on the look out for a set of 16" or 17" wheels as wide as poss, that I can use for wets and transportation. Group A cossie etc.. popcorn:

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    That looks awesome , keep the up-dates comingpopcorn:

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    very nice!

    have you had to modify the intercoolers much/at all?

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by markb View Post
    very nice!

    have you had to modify the intercoolers much/at all?
    If I can they are being used virtually standard as they will be the first things damaged in a front end knock, that way I can keep 1 or 2 spares in stock

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Not too bad mate

    have you got an axle sorted out yet, by the way? popcorn:

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by FOSSIE View Post
    Not too bad mate

    have you got an axle sorted out yet, by the way? popcorn:
    Dunno, have you done it for me yet

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Looks good m8

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by ludsonline View Post
    Looks good m8
    Cheers mare, should get the front end back on soon too, several layers of industrial strength fibreglass later

    Should look good when its painted this week

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    cant you machine the diameter of the disk down a bit and move the caliper in to make the 15 go over or is it a lot more space required?
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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    why so big dave? i can out brake lighter and slower cars on circuit with mere 300mm discs, its not the disc size thats important its the pad material and what you do with it

    having said that i might of gone bigger, but couldn't face the prospect of having to buy 12 more wheels and tyres when there wasn't anything wrong with the ones i already had
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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Its that old trade off thing.. those brakes fit under one set of wheels, and the others he has sold for what he will be able to get another set that are 16"s .... so with the brakes being cheap... they just had to go on

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    thats ok then, anyway the bigger brakes will just slow his lap times and as im looking forward to getting the better of a few more class A cars next year it will just help in my quest.....

    just got to find some time to make the proposed engine changes, looking for the full 500bhp for next season

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by graham bahr View Post
    thats ok then, anyway the bigger brakes will just slow his lap times and as im looking forward to getting the better of a few more class A cars next year it will just help in my quest.....

    just got to find some time to make the proposed engine changes, looking for the full 500bhp for next season

    No Graham you can't run nitrous oxide in class A

    Are you not a believer in the bigger the better with discs then, I always thought the more leverage the better and they will have better heat dispersion too?

    Oh and these 6 pots etc cost me less than the smaller 4 pot wilwwod se I had planned to buy!
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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by Clint View Post
    cant you machine the diameter of the disk down a bit and move the caliper in to make the 15 go over or is it a lot more space required?
    Basically an inch would have to come off, and no I wouldn't like to try doing that, might mess up all the veins inside and I wouldn't wanna risk it.

    All that had to go were my 15" orange splits and they have gone to a better home where they will be used more than on mine (they were only for wets) so with the money I got I'm looking for a set of 16" or 17" wheels hopefully with a set of wets or inters already on them.

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    bigger discs will help a bit with heat dissipation, but the bigger diameter actually adds very little leverage, my current discs do however have nice curved vanes which are supposed to cool much better

    think about it, a 300mm disc gives the caliper 6inch leverage at the extreme edge of the disc, now imagine the lbsft braking force your actually applying when stopping, its 100's and 100'slbft,

    going to a 330mm disc will gain you a fraction over half inch more leverage, now when you are already generating 500lbft plus of braking power how much will you gain with an extra half inch leverage? not a huge amount.

    dont forget a huge disc is like having a flywheel on each corner of the car, you've got slow the extra stored energy in the discs,

    stopping power is mainly about pad material, heat management, hydralic leverage, then disc size, assuming you have plenty of tyre grip

    on the silverstone national when i had full power in between things breaking i was braking significantly later than cars which were nearly around 40% lighter and were going around 40-50 mph slower at the ends of the straights.

    my 02 was also brilliant on the brakes on mere 280mm discs coupled with std rear drums on std road linings, not that the rears did anything after lap 3!
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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    OK; Modern touring car with a mere 275 bhp 8500rpm wet sump engine and 9x17 rims;

    Front brakes: 343mm vented discs and 6 pots
    Rear brakes: 290mm solid discs with 2 pots

    And I believe the old 300+bhp hi tech super tourers had something like 375mm discs

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    dont forget that touring cars are no expense spared,

    well the proof of the pudding.........

    so we will be able to have a little grudge match on both the go and stop depts then??????

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by graham bahr View Post
    dont forget that touring cars are no expense spared,

    well the proof of the pudding.........

    so we will be able to have a little grudge match on both the go and stop depts then??????
    Modern tourers are a lot cheaper than their predecessors, so I still reckon these brakes are about the right size for a 1000kg car, but as you say we will see next season

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    why who has a 1000kg car then? not me
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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Any updates Dave?

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    This car is totally awesome





    I want it pray:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gmac View Post
    This car is totally awesome





    I want it pray:
    Make me an offer

    Not much to update, painter is letting all the front end settle so he can respray all of it, Again ,

    ..and in the meantime the guy who got me the Hi Spec brakes has a pukka twin turbo ally intercooler for me to look at, although I expect the 2 cossie ones will stay, plus he has a load of samco's so I need to get them and then get the rest of it all plumbed in.

    Brakes and extinguisher need plumbing next too but that should be a doddle

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Couple of phone pics today,

    got my brakes all on and the 16's clear them nicely , just a pity you cant see the brakes through the BBS centres





    Put the gear stick surround back in the car, and yes we are trying to save the blue paint for other things


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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Just spotted the mascot sitting on the seat, not my idea honest

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Lurvly Dave Can I call shotgun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RChambers View Post
    Lurvly Dave Can I call shotgun?
    I'll be happy to take you for a spin in it Rich, hopefully we can keep the space to fit a passenger seat as it will be fun to scare people at the odd track day

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Dave, Have you thought anymore about spaceframing the front end?

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by ludsonline View Post
    Dave, Have you thought anymore about spaceframing the front end?
    Like this you mean;


    It would be nice, and not that difficult either (for Gary ) but I've gotta be careful of the regs in the championship. If they ban spaceframes then I'm screwed so by keeping the inner wings it is still essentially a monocoque escort shell.

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    wise move david, once you go space frame you very much cut down on where you can race it,

    as far as dtrc goes forced induction may be illegal for spaceframed cars for 2007

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by graham bahr View Post
    wise move david, once you go space frame you very much cut down on where you can race it,

    as far as dtrc goes forced induction may be illegal for spaceframed cars for 2007
    Without getting too political or naming particular cars, why are the N/A spaceframes legal, but not with turbos or sc's. Not a moan btw, just wondered

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Yeah thats what I meant, But rules are rules. You could always restart the Thundersaloon championship

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    Re: David White's - Mk2 Escort - Cosworth V6 Turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by david_white View Post
    Without getting too political or naming particular cars, why are the N/A spaceframes legal, but not with turbos or sc's. Not a moan btw, just wondered
    ok heres the synario,

    take one 400kg spaceframed hot rod add 500bhp+ yb power you've got a car that would render every other car uncompetitive

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