ARB and compression struts Q's.

[Escortotis]

Sorry if I am annoying guys with my questions. I am still researching for my mk1 build. So learning as I go.

I spent the last two hours reading old posts. Really start to get lost in technical stuff

I was considering compression struts with drop link kit. So far I have read that compression struts are only used in rallying for strength?

Also on a lowered car compression struts induce dive under braking. (this car wont be lowered much, if it atall, Im weird Im not gone on slamming cars)

Some increase spring rates and use no ARB atall. (not really an option for me, its mainly a road car, do not want serious spring rates!)

Compression struts will allow adjustment of the caster.

The alternative to this is a twin cam anti roll bar with anti-dive. I had a quick look and saw twin cam ARB's for £105..Thats alot consider another £50 odd for the anti dive.

My reasoning for compression struts its for similar money I can have alot more trick looking set up(Yes thats posing I know, but I like my trickery within reason). Would compresion strut set up with drop links be as good as the twin cam arb and anti dive?

Is there any alternatives? Or anyone recommend a deacent front set-up.

Oh also how do you tell a twink arb from a standard?

[Escortotis]

Dam I put this in running gear!! Can this thread be moved?

[Graham]

done

what are you going to use the car for?

[Escortotis]

She will be mainly for road use.

Maybe and anti dive with the standard arb be good enough?

But I will prob be fitting bubble arched fibreglass wings and im assuming that these would be positioned for a twin cam arb? Im told that in the mexico's arches are further up in the wing as the arb moves the wheel forward.

[Graham]

handlingwise for road use i would not go as far as compression struts, an anti dive and uprated springs should be good enough although a twincam rollbar would be better still

[exboyracer]

As Graham said, anything more for road use is total overkill!

[beeRS]

i spent hours reading about all the pros/cons of comp struts and tension struts too. Mine's a road car and after all was ssiad and done I concluded that the best set up for a road car (with the odd bit of track action) would be standard ARB with an anti-dive kit.

[Miniliteman]

Anti-dive kit = understeer ....

[Graham]

Anti-dive kit = understeer ....

not my experience on a sensably modded road car, mines pretty neutral with oversteer mode available via the right foot if req

[andypipe]

Anti-dive kit = understeer ....

Not something i have found on my race car

[Escortotis]

Cheers for the replies guys.

Gonna try see can I come across a reasonably priced twink arb.

[Miniliteman]

Not something i have found on my race car

Keyword here is "race car" ...
On a std road car with std power a anti-dive kit does give understeer at least in my experience.
Maybe I did something wrong.

[Adam B]

i've had compression struts fitted to my mk1

i have an option of a standard front arb or one with the anti dive, would i be able to use either if i bought the additional drop link kit?

is it worth it? its a road car

the rear arb has gone due to the anti-tramps and panhard being fitted.

[exboyracer]

You'll need to buy an ARB specifically designed to use with drop links on a MK1, the standard one won't fit win comp struts.

Also anti dive geometry is more to do with how the bar is mounted than the bar itself.

[Adam B]

these are available from burtons, but they dont list any ARB's

[Adam B]

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product...oducts_id=7195

Designed to link the standard roll bar to the cone link of the compression or tension strut kit.

[exboyracer]

I've not seen those before, sounds like a good idea

[Adam B]

gotta be worth a try i guess

[Escortotis]

I understand the dive is related to the travel of the compression strut under braking, once it passes normal to the body it induces dive.


Im very tmepted to try that droplink kit with compression struts. That set up would cost as much as me sourcing a twink arb with anti-dive kit..

Anyone used that product?

[Adam B]

i've not (my car is still a way off seeing the road), but i think i will be

p.s. the kit from rally design is about £15 cheaper than burton, and it looks the same (and probably is)

[Miniliteman]

these are available from burtons, but they dont list any ARB's

Tried these on my Mk2 when it was just finished; I wouldn't advise anyone to use them, the things are crap.
(but maybe I did something wrong, again ...)

Price of Rally Design is excl. VAT, Burton's are incl.

[Adam B]

surely they've got to be better than not having them?

[mojo]

Her is the kit we produce.
Available with a 14,16,18 or 21mm anti roll bar.
Complete with proper motorsport quality Aurora rod ends.

ttp://www.grp4fabrications.com/gallery3.php

[Adam B]

but that means buying another set of adjustable tca's? i already have a brand new set on the car

[mojo]

No,use your TCA,s
just weld the U bracket onto the TCA to attach the drop link.

[Adam B]

cool, are these kits on the website yet?

[Adam B]

??

[mojo]

Basically the same principle as these 5/8" ones below,any questions give us a call

http://www.grp4fabrications.com/prod...products_id=67

[Adam B]

Basically the same principle as these 5/8\" ones below,any questions give us a call

http://www.grp4fabrications.com/prod...products_id=67

they're for use with tension struts, not compression struts

[mojo]

Can easily be used on both,

[mojo]

http://www.grp4fabrications.com/Gall...llery3_img.jpg