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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    just a quicky, only a little progress this morning as i start work soon, i put lifters and cams in, cams caused a bit of head scratching as it was early in the day and i'm using two inlet cams! which means std marks etc dont line up, got there though.
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    yesterdays progress,

    drilled and tapped the timing chain tensioner body to take an adjustable stop, the idea being teh chain is still tensioned hydralically as std, but the tension cannot back off on over run or when the engines left standing.

    pic shows first yb ex manifold adapter plate on engine and modified water rail
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    second adapter plate, i just hope i have a gas tight seal between them, theres no gasket just some ultra high temp silicon as used on boilers and lots of bolts!
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    yb manifold now fitted, and lastly turbo sitting on the manifold
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    I am watching your progress, but don't really know what's going on.
    I have entered your pic in the "Weld of the week" thread.

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    well done graham is it going to be ready for the first round?
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    hope so, that all depends on the engine holding together on the dyno and me having enough left to actually race

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    progress as slowed somewhat, the neighbours cars keep breaking down!

    spent most of the day faffing with the engines valve clearances, i always set them a bit big when i build the head up on the bench as they always close up when you torque the head down to the block, but this time they had closed up much more than normal so they were all too tight, the only reason i can think is that the ferriday head gasket doesnt compress anything like as much as std ones, so the head bolts compress the head more than usual, anyway after several hours with a load of shims, feeler gauges and a micrometer the clearances are now finally right, well they will be until the thing is dyno'd then will probably want doing again

    couldnt be bothered with pics of tappet shims so i toook a pic of one of the front wings instead, they have now had a quick lick of filler. primer and paint and look quite tidy, not perfect, but its a race car it only needs to look tidy, besides i've neither the time, money or patients to do a perfect job.
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Looks good enough to me


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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Turned out better than mine do.

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Look better than i first thought it would ...

    Tips hat to you

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    i really cant be bothered with bodywork, but back in my dim distant past i worked in a body shop for a couple of years, the real problem i have these days is i dont use a paint gun enough and have to re-learn every time i use one and i dont have the patients anymore to do a good prep job, and then its usually using different equipment and paint type each time
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    coming along now graham.well done
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    not much progress today got to go to work soon,

    i bolted the n/s engine mount on after reinforcing it as it cracked several times last year, if i had realised i was in welding competition i would of taken a pic of it before painting it

    and refitted the oil lines that feed the piston cooling jets
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    finally after modifying some of the pressure take offs for the wastegate, map sensor etc, i bolted the throttle bodies and plenum back on
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Nice work Graham, good to see the car with the bigger rims on the front, should go well

    Keep it up, not long now

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    no progress as such over the last couple of days as the AA is keeping me very busy, although ebay has turned me up a 4x4 oil drain pipe for the turbo at the princly sum of 2, and i've just ordered one of these jobbies, which will allow the emerald to richen the mixture up and cool things off a bit if the exhaust temp looks like going too high
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    look the engines back in
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    had to make a spacer so the oil drain pipe would fit the turbo and clear the manifold, still got to remake the actuator bracket, as the turbo orientation is now different, and it now clear that i wont be able to take the short route with the turbo down pipe, it just never going to fit past the steering, suspension and gearbox, so i'm going to have to follow last year up and over route going round the back the cylinderhead and out the n/s of the engine bay.

    although before i get that far i've got to figure out a way to tighten one of the turbo to manifold mounting bolts, the one by the intake compressor nearerst to engine is impossible to get to
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Can you not split the turbo and then get to it..or will that leave the the turbo's bolts in the same s**t.
    (you can tell i dont know about turbo's can you split them?)

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    looking at it agian whilst remaking the actuator bracket i think if i get some studs and "k" nuts which have small size hex and remove the oil drain i will just about be able to get in there

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    not too much progress, i've connected most of the wiring loom, made a new bracket for the actuator and fitted the rad and intercooler as well as ordering the bends to make the new down pipe
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    quick up date, pics to follow, after finishing the exhaust at midnight the day before the rollers, i finally got water in the engine and ran it up, fixed a couple of minior leaks, putting the car on the trailer and promptly knocked the exhaust off again

    anyway i made it to the rollers, the result, well ok ish, it didnt break or do anything nasty on the rollers.

    i had feared the Yb manifold would cost me a big bunch of power probably around 50bhp, it actually cost me 65bhp and has made the engine much more peaky, but it runs and will do for lydden which isnt a power circuit anyway.
    i have a few tricks up my sleeve which might find some of the lost power before brands, but ultimatly i need to rethink the exhaust manifold, but thats going to be a winter project

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    good news graham.i shall see you saturday then.cant wait.
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    See you down there Graham, will be great to see it going, regardless of what power it has

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Well done Graham, watched most of your races (just the ends we missed) and the car was going fantastic.

    Great drives, i think you'd better post up your results

    Oh and cheers for entertaining us in the paddock with the smoke and firework displays as usual

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    cheers david,

    was a great day, finished 2nd and then 1st in class which equated to 5th, and 4th Overall, oh i do like beating class A cars.......................... bring yours on david.............

    bigger front wheels and tyres have changed the cars balence its much more oversteery now and most corners a i was using opp lock to catch the rear end although mostly still with my foot in., so maybe the loss of power wasnt a bad thing.

    the big power loss really does notice in a straight line so i was pleasently suprised to find i could out drag john cross's V8 eurocar up hill!

    i had a titantic battle with john for most of the second race, eventually he got the better of me into devils elbow, which is my cars weakest corner as i have very poor traction out of it, but caught him going up the hill, to turn in earlier and cut inside him at north turn, and get a good run on him down hairy hill, and get the inside line at paddock, unfortunatly i just couldnt hold as tighter line as i needed and we did a bit of wheel to wheel rubbing and i didnt quite make it past him so i now have some bodywork to do and need a new outer rim for the rear wheel.

    it would of been one hell of a move if it had stuck, but i'm pleased i had the confidence in the car to try it, rather than just let him go as i could of easily done as teh class win was in the bag, but hell we were racing.

    some battle damage pics to follow soon when my cameras batteries are charged
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Was a gutsy move, Graham. I never thought I'd see both cars come out of the corner, indeed at one point John must have run very wide and disappeared from view (across the gravel a bit?) an we thought oh percy: . Still not sure how he made it out in front of you

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    well done Graham...

    The car looked great all round and some bloody gutsy moves past the opposition, I spoke to john and he said he had thouroughly enjoyed the race between you and Greg.

    Well done

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    cheers gary,

    shame about the damage, but as far as john and i were concerned it was a racing incident, in an awesome race, i didnt make a do or die punt at a gap that wasnt there and he didnt shut the door on me,

    that move at paddock well i almost made it stick, it was difficult to judge exactly when to brake and turn in from mid circuit alongside john rather than at the circuits edge like i had done every other lap,

    as i said in an earlier post i was pleased that i had the confidence in the car to fight straight back at john rather than let him go.

    although the problem is unique to the car at lydden i really need to find a away to gain grip and traction out the elbow because thats where i was very vunerable, but without making the car even more oversteery, a new set of plates in the LSD might help, but i think the issue is a bit deeper than that, i might try raising the rear ride height a bit and stiffening the front dampers to limit the weight transfer.

    still cant believe i could out drag john UP the hill though and how little the thundersaloon pulled away
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    well done graham i was watching you all the way.it was good to see the car finish a race in such a high posistion.and it nearly held together other than dropping a few of its fluids that race with you and john was excellent and you did very well to get that position.shame about the battle scars but hey thats racing
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    cheers tom, now i've seen rogers escort in a race ( dunno how it did though) will we see you out in it against alex and andy ????

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    im definitely not allowed to do that yet .one day maybepray: .it came 4th in the race which aint bad.the cars that beat him were the ex seat cupra cup car,a tiger of some sort and the ex touring car nissan primera so not bad for its first ever race.the car did get a battle scar though.but thats racing
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    And you boys take the piss out of us rally types for throwing cars at trees!

    Anyone looking at these pictures would think circuit racing is a full-contact sport.

    Just kidding... Well done anyway - and well done for getting the car out in time Graham - I hadn't read your thread for a few days but was very surprised to read today that it actually made the race!

    So, maybe a daft question, but what are the benefits of this new turbo setup then? They must be pretty big if its worth sacrificing 65bhp?
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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    Quote Originally Posted by FOSSIE View Post
    So, maybe a daft question, but what are the benefits of this new turbo setup then? They must be pretty big if its worth sacrificing 65bhp?
    cheers Fossie

    hope fully the new turbo set up will produce reliability i had far too many dnf's last year or started races with stupidly big power and finished them with stupidly low power.

    the fabricated manifold wasnt physically strong enough to cope with the weight/heat/expansion caused by the turbo

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    Re: worlds most powerfull bmw 316?

    well done graham , didn't actually get to see your races but the boys said they were entertaining ,

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    really cool car bud, i saved a pic of this ages ago, I bet it goes well too

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    Hows the repairs going Graham?

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    i've repaired the arches and changed the bent rim, fitted a new spoiler, and faired in the rad and intercooler as i noticed the engine ran cooler without the spoiler.

    also got a rolling road session booked may 1st to try and ring a few more gee gee's out of the motor
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