cheers leeOriginally Posted by lee76
cheers lee
You are welcome Graham.The Mini is now pushing 194bhp did well to keep him behind you
it certainly wasnt easy, the whole race i was thinking dont let bill get up the inside! i've never done so many laps under such pressure every single corner, as you well know eventually i tend to crack and try a bit too hard somewhere and go a bit wide leaving the door open and know neither you or bill need a second chance, its also well telling that the most of the other cars bill and i had for company had serious turbo power.
Very close racing all the way through, a great result
"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" - Enzo Ferrari
amazing how you managed to keep such a small and light car behind you round them bends, some extremely good driving thier, thier was some moments when the mini sounds like it was really pushing it and you held it off, so that new power of yours certainly looks like it was worth doing!
well done on a fantastic race, both of you
its not dead till it's buried!
T.I.T engineering. "Feel the power!"
thats mainly just defensive driving and positioning the car in such a way the other car has to go the long way round, i also knew that as long as i held the inside i could out grunt bill from the corner and give myself enough space to control the next corner, most corners i played very safe and braked early, if i could of got a decent drive out of graham hill i think i would of pulled away from bill and been able to use faster lines and thus pull away more, but then it wouldnt of been such a good raceamazing how you managed to keep such a small and light car behind you round them bends,
damn well done
and you didn't crack your window this time celebrating?
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Umm I don't think that I got in the way! I was racing for position with cars that shouldn't of started behind me in the first place! Unfortunately I was too polite when being lapped by the three cars that lapped me (which cost me a lot of time) otherwise Graham and Bill wouldn't of caught me in the 1st place! It's misinformed comments like this that are why I don't really bother with this site anymore.
Sorry Graham..
Sorry, Did not mean it that way. My apologies. I was in no way inferring that your driving caused any problems.
Last edited by Group4_Mark2; 29-03-2011 at 21:58.
To finish first, you must first finish
No problem,I was being over-sensitive....sorry
I was sat at the top of paddock hill (in the seat things, yeah posh i know
every now and then the wind changed direction and i could hear you give it the beans out of druids down to GH sounded very tasty
have to say big word up to pushrodking too, he was flying and it was only in the later part of the race (getting lapped by that mental skyline) that he started to slow down, makes you realise how small the escorts are when a clio makes it look big
will have to come and watch next time you are all at lydden hill
thanks, Ian
shock horror! look how short the intakes are!
as i said elsewhere about 3 inches longer gave better torque but robbed me of some topend, and judgeing by how much the backend twictched it certainly didnt need more midrange anyway!
we were getting pretty bad fuel stand off at some points that you dont experience with the large diameter big tapered trumpets, but then again they gave less power, whats probably happening is the bigger dia ones are killing the induction pulses, so you get neither bad ones that chuck fuel back or or good ones that aid cylinder filling,
before brands i knocked up an airbox of sorts, well more of a splash shield really to try and keep the fuel around the intakes not blowing all over the place waiting to go woof!
Last edited by Graham; 01-04-2011 at 08:21.
That is an interestig setup. Some bundle of wires under the bodies. I can see how you would have clearance issues with the bonnett. If the trumpets were much longer you would have serious problems getting it to fit.
What is the currentl length from the end of the trumpets to the back of the inlet valves and what was the length with the longer trumpets? At what rpms were you getting the standoff?
What length are the exhaust manifold primary pipes. The standoff may be due to the exhaust not scavenging properly at certain RPMs
To finish first, you must first finish
we tried so many different lengths its untrue! i'll have a meassure later for you, the stand off also varies with trumpet length, exhaust primary length, err not sure its about 16 inch, as its a pinto ashley i wouldnt be hard to find one to meaasure, same manifold on the 8v gave far less stand off.
TBH its got to stay as is for now, moneys all spent up! if i do anything i need to play with the diff which i probably will, fossie has pm'd me some interesting info, the only otherthing i might do is look to shed some of the 30 something kgs weight the cars put on over the winter because currently im 150kgs OVER the min weight and thats with just a couple of litres of fuel in the tank
Cracking Video. Looks like a really fun race to watch
cheers, i watched it again this morning, and even though im only watching myself and know what the result was i was still on the edge of my seatCracking Video. Looks like a really fun race to watch
Don't hate me, but i was willing the Mini past you
its a bit too far to come and punch you on the nose so i'll let you offDon't hate me, but i was willing the Mini past you
just remembered, didn't you buy a second e30 for re-shelling, hasn't that got an l.s.d in it you can use?
its not dead till it's buried!
T.I.T engineering. "Feel the power!"
spare shell is a 316, only 325 sport and m3 had slippers and a s/h one of them isnt likely to be any better
Great result Graham, glad you got it all done in time
GavinR
Did you make a run witouht the second set of injectors? The two sets of injectors are alot closer to each other now.
we couldnt because just one set isnt big enough, and we didnt have 4 bigger ones to try, yes the two sets are much closer but the double injecting theory should still hold up, although it might be a good idea to do a power run with just a bigger single set working, if it doesnt cost me power the simplication would be good
Might even improve the airflow around the trumpets. If you take the second set off for the run that is. Might very well be worth while to try.
How big would the injectors need to be?
i dout it would have any effect on airflow as we have run the car with the injectors very very close to the trumpets and quite a distance away, it makes no difference to mixture or power,
current injectors are 220cc per min, so i'd need something like 450cc
If your building the diff your self, the porsche 944 uses the same plates from ZF and you can get them from the porka dealers in several thicknesses
Jason
Graham
I have just had a M42 head ported. The fella who did the work in conversation mentioned it is about 160cfm at 10". I'm waiting for the calibrated figures. Looking back this seems to be about what you have with the S14 head?
I have supertech 34mm inlet and 31.5mm exhaust valves with 6mm stems, schmitthelm valve springs, schrick titanium retainers, Catcams 290°/275°, mechanical lifters.
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when and where is your next race Graham
all race dates and locations can be found at http://rodbirley.com/2011_Calendar.htm
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bit of a lack of updates, and quite deliberately, after my great scrap with bill richards last time out i didnt want to make it public that i was trying to make the car faster
these are the plates out the slipper!
with advise from others and a special thanks for lots of emails and contact info etc from tom at fostek, the slipper has been rebuilt its now got 4 of each plate type in it as well as almost double the preload
http://escort.accelerator.org
1968 MK1 Escort 1300GT
1969 'Big Wing' MK1 Escort
1972 MK3 Cortina 1600XL
1984 Sierra XR4i
And other junk I don't like to talk about!
holy fcuk! that was well shot!
having rebuilt the slipper i was a tad nervous heading out onto track at brands for practise, it soon became obvious my traction issues had all gone, not supringly the backend of the car was on cold tyres a lot more nervous tending to oversteer so places where i had previously just held it flat i found myself backing out the throttle a bit, it also made the back end looser under hard braking, but qualifying went without incident , other than 3rd gear syncro gave up the ghost making chaning down into 3rd near impossible, so i opted to go from 4th to 2nd for druids grabbing 3rd on exit (it upchanged okish) and holding 3rd into the limiter towards graham hill to avoid going up to 4th then fighting for 3rd again, so despite a wounded gearbox and snatchy slipper i qualified 8th overall, and 3rd in class, which sounds worse than it was because 2nd in class man bill richards was alongside me on the grid, i knew i had a chance of a good result, all!! !??i needed to do was get ahead of bill into paddock and hold him off for 17 laps
pre race prep just consisted of upping the limiter by 200 rpm to 8200 to ease the the gearbox difficulties
off the green flag lao i sort of did a rolling burnout and then really worked the front tyres, knowing that i could out grunt bill i just had to be well on it and able to attack paddock and druids at full race pace on the first couple of laps
it worked too bill was quick off the start but i was quicker and threaded the beemer through a narrowing gap to hit paddock ahead of bill, proof in the link below!
http://www.snappyracers.com/album/01.../IMGL9603.html
unfortunately into druids for the second time the throttle pedal which is a std factory part broke! i could occasionally get throttle, it broke near the top,whilst coasting down the straight i gave a couple of swift kicks to the bottom bit that came away too, under braking it slid towards me, and i was able to reach done grab it and throw it in the back of the car, using a very awkward foot postion, i found i could just about work the remnants of the pedal, but with a the throttle stop still attached to the floor it was like trying to drive with a 6 inch stiletto heel, my race for a decent position was over, so all that was left was to carry on and get a finish, and retake as many positions as i could to try and get near to bill for race 2, by this time the class leader had parked in teh gravel big time and so too had another one of my class so i was still on for decent points just needed to close on bill to give me a chance against him in race two, well for a while things were going to plan, the throttle being a bit hit and miss meant i was lapping a second or so off pace and trying to smoothly accerate out corners was deffo difficult, but i was progressing back up the field, coming through clearways i got a couple of taps up the back from a scooby coming up to lap me, and so made sure i held a tight line close to the pitwall onto the straight, only to find the scooby trying to go between me and the pit wall, contact was inevitable, and i was spun out, spinning on the straight at about 90-100mph wasnt funi thought crist this is going to hurt! luckiy although i clipped the pitwall whilst spinning i ended up going back across the track, and fortunatly found myself rolling forward in the right direction but stuck in neutral with a floppy clutch pedal,a couple of jabs at the gearlever i got third then 4th and finished the race doing the last couple of laps in 4th only, oh to of had a dog box!
much to my surprise after broken pedals and being punted off i still wasnt last, almost but not quite, and as apart from bill the rest of my class were parked in the gravel i was 2nd in class, so decent points scored
my bumper and spoiler were wrecked so they were removed, the clutch was investigated, unknown to me the the braded clutch hose had been rubbing where it couldnt be seen and worn through the braiding, and during the spin i must of stamped on the clutch pedal hard enough to burst the inner pipe, at this point andy pipe and dave white decame heros and using bits they borrowed from around the paddock made me a new pipe, and helped me bleed the clutch, dave removed the throttle stop and i had a drivable car again
with a lot of dnfs in race one despite finishing near last i started from mid field, with a strange throttle and it was strangle because it was both in the wrong place and was giving different leverage to what i m used to it wasnt easy working my way up the field, in particular with yellow flags hampering progress where i was stronger than the opposition giving me zero chance of catching bill, the flags getting more prevelant when the ultra fast pug pulled off again, the final result being finishing 10th, second in class again, which championship wise puts me in a surprising position, 1st in class and 3rd overall
Last edited by Graham; 05-05-2011 at 13:50.
Exciting enought to read, so god only knows what it must have been like spinning at that sort of speed. Crazy!
brands hatch and people trying a manouvere that clearly doesn't work on the straight seems to be a theme, i remember when it happened to bill, and all i saw was that light blue go over and over, thinking it was you and i was so grateful to see you pull in just fine, so in that respect i'm glad brands wasn't possible.
shame about the spolier and the pedal etc. it can only be seen as ironing out the weak points though, very well done dad xxx
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'Exciting' times there!
Well done on salvaging some points, and 1st in the championship table too!
http://escort.accelerator.org
1968 MK1 Escort 1300GT
1969 'Big Wing' MK1 Escort
1972 MK3 Cortina 1600XL
1984 Sierra XR4i
And other junk I don't like to talk about!
That was an eventful weekend! Good on you for keeping it going and getting good points on the board
Synchro boxes are a pain in the ass when the baulk rings fail, I think a dog box is the only way to go really, just a pity they are so expensive
"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" - Enzo Ferrari
that fecjker in the Scooby actually punted you up the ars3? and sent you off? And is he now picking his teeth up with broken fingers?
to be fair to the box it hasnt had a rebuild since 2005!Synchro boxes are a pain in the ass when the baulk rings fail, I think a dog box is the only way to go really, just a pity they are so expensive
i'd love a dog box but as far as im aware there arnt any dog kits for my box, and the rule book wont allow alternative boxes without a very hefty penalty
this might be a daft question but if you managed to fit gears and dog kit from something else to your casing would it be allowed without the penalty
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