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    Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Thought i would spend some time having a look what could be used....some have been used on escorts already, some have not.

    Ford use a 68mm mounting hole, so any disk with a hole thats same or smaller can be used after machining.

    Bold= close to ideal offset.
    Remember disk thickness ranges from 20mm to 28mm, most 256 to 280mm disks are 20 to 22mm
    283 and higher 25 to 28mm

    Chime in if you have used any of there disk on an Escort or similar.

    Renault

    21Turbo 285mm 31.8mm offset 61mm hole.
    21 stock 265mm 31.6mm offset 61mm hole
    21stock 244mm 31.6mm offset 61mm hole


    Renault 25 305mm 44mm offset 61mm hole

    Renault19 16V 359mm 41mm offset 61mm hole

    Renault Espace 305mm 44mm offset 61mm hole

    Renault Kangoo 259mm 41mm offset 61mm hole

    Citroen

    BX1.9 16V 266mm 27.4mm offset 66mm hole

    Dispatch 257mm 40.5mm offset 59mm hole

    Saxo 1.6 247mm 34.2mm offset 66mm hole

    Berlingo 266mm 27.4mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 266mm 34.5mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 283mm 34.5mm offset 66mm hole


    C1 247mm 35.3mm offset 55mm hole

    Xsara 283mm 27.2mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 283mm 34.4mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 283mm 27.2mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 266mm 34.5mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 266mm 27.4mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 247mm 34.2mm offset 66mm hole

    Xantia 283mm 27.2mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 266mm 27.4mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 283mm 27.2mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 266mm 27.4mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 283mm 27.2mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 283mm 28.2mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 288mm 34.2mm offset 66mm hole

    Dispatch 285mm 43.5mm offset 59mm hole
    OR 281mm 43.5mm offset 59mm hole

    ZX Volcane 266mm 27.4mm offset 66mm hole
    OR 283mm 27.2mm offset 66mm hole

    Synergie 281mm 43.5mm offset 59mm hole

    MG MGTF

    MG MGTF 304mm 38.5mm offset 58mm hole


    VW

    Scirroco mk2 256mm 38.7mm offset 65mm hole

    Corrado VR6 280mm 28.2mm offset 65mm hole

    Passat 288mm 28.2mm offset 65mm hole

    Vento 280mm 28.2mm offset 65mm hole
    OR 288mm 28.2mm offset 65mm hole
    OR 256mm 38.5mm offset 65mm hole

    Audi

    A2 256mm 36.6mm offset 65mm hole

    A3 312mm 34.2mm offset 65mm hole QT+1.8 Audi TT
    A3 288mm 34.2mm offset 65mm hole 1.8T
    A3 280mm 36.5mm offset 65mm hole 1.9TDi
    A3 256mm 36.5mm offset 65mm hole 1.6 sport

    SEAT

    Ibiza Turbo Cupra 288mm 34.5mm offset 65mm hole
    Ibiza 256mm 36.5mm offset 65mm hole 2.0L

    Ibiza Turbo Cupra 1.8 280mm 39.2mm 65mm hole

    Ibiza 256mm 38.7mm offset 65mm hole TDi
    Ibiza 280mm 39.2mm offset 65mm hole TDi

    Ibiza 256mm 38.7mm offset 65mm hole

    Toledo 288mm 34.2mm offset 65mm hole 2.3l V5
    Toledo 280mm 36.5mm offset 65mm hole 1.9TDi

    BMW
    E30 260mm 35.1mm 66mm hole
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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Regards offset, I found anything worked from 27mm to 35mm on disk around 266 or smaller, over 35mm offset may have the disk touching the strut although this does depend on the size of the disk.

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    brilliant post Tony, would the disk not touch the TCA over 32mm or is it pretty safe up to 34mm?

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    They used to hit the strut on the sunbeams, E30 disks were a problem but a grinder used to cure it

    I wanted to show what could be possibly used, I know what I have already used but things have moved on a great deal since i was active.

    Look at the AUDI A3/TT disks 312mm only 2mm more offset than the ford default disk...maybe a nice cheap way to force 17inch rims LOL

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Or you could machine the tt/a3 disks outer diameter down a touch and have moster brakes in 15's, 300mm should go i would think?

    My 260mm wilwood midilite m16 replacement disks touch one of my tre's and is very close to the other, id imagine it will hit the tre before the tca? Its easily sorted with some washers on the steering arm where it bolts on though so i guess the tca would be the next closest thing?

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Hi All

    My disc conversion using the Pug / Citroen 283 x 22mm rotor redrilled to suit the Escort hub. Alloy adapters to mount and offset RX7 4 pots.

    This could be used with many combinations of calliper that can be adapted to the original strut as it allow plenty of clearance to the TRE etc and does not effect track
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Finsihed.jpg‎  

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    sorry being a bit thick, I meant TRE's not TCA's
    Like that Mazda caliper, what model is it off and is it alloy or iron?

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by dobuy View Post
    sorry being a bit thick, I meant TRE's not TCA's
    Like that Mazda caliper, what model is it off and is it alloy or iron?
    They off the FD (1999 - 02) model RX7 although the earlier FC's (1986 - 91) are identicle although they have a finned body. The 36mm bores are a little smaller than ideal but should work OK with a 0.625 master in the bias peddle box.

    The wider mounting points than the similar Nissan item fitted to the Skylines etc makes it easier to adapt to the original struts.

    They fit inside 14" steel rims but require 15" alloy items.
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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Zetec_RS View Post
    Hi All

    My disc conversion using the Pug / Citroen 283 x 22mm rotor redrilled to suit the Escort hub. Alloy adapters to mount and offset RX7 4 pots.

    This could be used with many combinations of calliper that can be adapted to the original strut as it allow plenty of clearance to the TRE etc and does not effect track
    what offset on the disks?

    Im thinking 27mm?

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post
    Or you could machine the tt/a3 disks outer diameter down a touch and have moster brakes in 15's, 300mm should go i would think?

    My 260mm wilwood midilite m16 replacement disks touch one of my tre's and is very close to the other, id imagine it will hit the tre before the tca? Its easily sorted with some washers on the steering arm where it bolts on though so i guess the tca would be the next closest thing?
    why do that when you could use these?

    BDS6200 - Citroen C4 - ( PID - 5377 )

    Mountings 4
    Disc diameter 302mm
    Disc thickness 26mm
    Overall height 34.1mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 24.8mm

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by ocztony View Post
    what offset on the disks?

    Im thinking 27mm?
    Overall height of 27.5 with a rotor thickness of 22mm.

    From a Pug 306 GTi-6
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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Zetec_RS View Post
    Overall height of 27.5 with a rotor thickness of 22mm.

    From a Pug 306 GTi-6
    Awesome....so we know the 27+mm heights work fine, the BX16V disks I used to use on sunbeams were similar.

    I really should do a revised disk list now showing disk heights and cut out anything 36mm or higher out as they may cause issues.

    Anyone here got an old Avenger/sunbeam hub and can measure what size hole the disk needs to mount on it? I have lost my notes unfortunately.

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    dobuy

    Those Citroen C4 304mm disks sure look tempting, with low profile calipers I have a feeling 15" wheels would be ok

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Your like the oracle of disks

    This is a nice post, would be good to work out what the disks are with the midilite m16 replacement 260mm kit i have for future disk renewals

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Well here we go with a revised list:

    300mm +

    Citroen C4
    Mountings 4
    Disc diameter 302mm
    Disc thickness 26mm
    Overall height 34.1mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 24.8mm


    PEUGEOT 406 3.0L Coupe 97-2004 available grooved
    Mountings 4
    Disc diameter 305mm
    Disc thickness 28mm
    Overall height 28mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 26mm



    Audi TT available grooved
    Vented Discs
    Discs diameter 312mm
    Discs thickness 25mm
    Overall height 34,2mm
    Centre diameter 65mm
    Minimum thickness 23mm


    Seat Leon 150BHP Cupra models..available grooved
    Front Brake Products
    Vented Mountings 5
    Discs diameter 312mm
    Discs thickness 25mm
    Overall height 34mm
    Centre diameter 65mm
    Minimum thickness 23mm


    280 to 300mm disks

    Citroen Xantia
    1.9 / 2.0 HDI (90bhp) Estates Vented... available grooved
    Mountings 4
    Disc diameter 283mm
    Disc thickness 22mm
    Overall height 27.2mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 20mm


    Citroen Xantia
    1995 to November 1998
    2.1 TD Saloon / Estates

    Vented Mountings 4
    Discs diameter 283mm
    Discs thickness 26mm
    Overall height 28.2mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 24.2mm


    C
    itroen Xantia
    November 1998 and on
    2.1 Turbo Diesel 2.0 HDI 110bhp

    Vented Mountings 4
    Discs diameter 288mm
    Discs thickness 28mm
    Overall height 34.2mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 26mm


    Seat Toledo available grooved
    1999>2004 2.3L V5
    Vented Mountings 5
    Discs diameter 288mm
    Discs thickness 25mm
    Overall height 34.2mm
    Centre diameter 65mm
    Minimum thickness 22mm


    Seat Ibiza available grooved
    1.9 TD (130) FR/2004-
    Vented Mountings 5
    Discs diameter 288mm
    Discs thickness 25mm
    Overall height 34.2mm
    Centre diameter 65mm
    Minimum thickness 22mm


    Volkswagen Corrado available grooved
    Corrado VR6 Vented Mountings 5
    Discs diameter 280mm
    Discs thickness 22mm
    Overall height 29mm
    Centre diameter 65mm
    Minimum thickness 20mm


    AUDI/A3/1.8 Turbo Quattro/98-2003 available grooved
    Discs diameter 288mm
    Discs thickness 25mm
    Overall height 34mm
    Centre diameter 65mm
    Minimum thickness 23mm


    Renault 21 Turbo
    Discs diameter 285mm
    Discs thickness 21mm
    Overall height 32mm
    Centre diameter 61mm
    Minimum thickness 19mm


    250 to 280mm disks


    RENAULT 21 2.2L
    Discs diameter 265mm
    Discs thickness 20mm
    Overall height 32mm
    Centre diameter 61mm
    Minimum thickness 18mm


    Citroen Xsara Estate 1.8L 16v 97-2000
    available grooved
    Discs diameter 266mm
    Discs thickness 20mm
    Overall height 27mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 18mm


    CITROEN/Xsara Estate 2000> available grooved
    Discs diameter 266mm/283mm
    Discs thickness 22mm
    Overall height 27/34mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 20mm


    240 to 250mm Disks

    Ford capri 2.8i... available grooved
    Discs diameter 245mm
    Discs thickness 20mm
    Overall height 32mm
    Centre diameter 68mm
    Minimum thickness 19mm






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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post
    Your like the oracle of disks

    This is a nice post, would be good to work out what the disks are with the midilite m16 replacement 260mm kit i have for future disk renewals
    does the disk come real close to the strut? if yes it may be a BMW E30 disk 260mm 35mm total height

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Not too sure mate il have a look and a measure up tomorrow

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post
    Not too sure mate il have a look and a measure up tomorrow
    im thinking they will probably be Reno 21 265mm disks machined down to 260mm as they have near enough the exact same offset as a ford capri disk.

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Maybe, i just cant remember if the outside looked machined or not, pretty sure the webs sit down a fair bit like a normal unmolested disk so who knows! The tape measure will tell all!

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Found more...infact you could use 406 disks for 260mm too 280+mm and 305mm.

    PEUGEOT 406 1.8L 95-98
    Mountings 4
    Disc diameter 260mm
    Disc thickness 24mm
    Overall height 29mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 22mm


    PEUGEOT 406 2.2L 2000-2002
    Mountings 4
    Disc diameter 283mm
    Disc thickness 26mm
    Overall height 28mm
    Centre diameter 66mm
    Minimum thickness 24mm

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Dave I have a set of brand new Rally Design 260mm the measurements are (as accurate as I was able to measure):
    1: Hub hole (disc centre) 68mm
    2: mounting bolt PCD 92mm
    3: disc thickness 21mm
    4: mounting face thickness 8mm
    5: total disc height (hub face to disc front face) 32mm

    dobuy

    Those Citroen C4 304mm disks sure look tempting, with low profile calipers I have a feeling 15" wheels would be ok
    Tony, they would be, but I already have a set of Cossie RWD calipers, so I think the discs will have to be smaller.

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by dobuy View Post
    Dave I have a set of brand new Rally Design 260mm the measurements are (as accurate as I was able to measure):
    1: Hub hole (disc centre) 68mm
    2: mounting bolt PCD 92mm
    3: disc thickness 21mm
    4: mounting face thickness 8mm
    5: total disc height (hub face to disc front face) 32mm


    Tony, they would be, but I already have a set of Cossie RWD calipers, so I think the discs will have to be smaller.
    they have to be reno21 blanks machined down to 260mm for that, I have found nothing else that comes close. They look to be as near as you can to grp4 copies as you will get, i remember Talbot had the same disks for the Sunbeam Lotus grp4 which used the same grp4 caliper as Ford did.

    Regarding disk thickness, 280+ 22mm disks would be right on the limit for me, i would prefer to be on 25mm disks being honest and 28mm disks over 300 if using standard disks in anger.

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    well, just been given a set of brembo 295x25mm discs here in Dubai, can get the bells made up locally for about 50, so just need to split the cossie calipers, insert 3mm bugger spacers and make up some brackets. At least that is todays plan

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Ahha 25mm disks wise move

    Post up a drawing for the spacers and BOM if you can?

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Managed to get under the car the other day, the outer diameter of the disks is unmachined, they are stamped on that edge:

    DBW08 CV103 MIN TH 20.4MM V46 MADE EC 17

    Hopefully it will be of some use, they are for 4 stud hubs. If i ever have to take them off i will measure them properly

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdave View Post
    Managed to get under the car the other day, the outer diameter of the disks is unmachined, they are stamped on that edge:

    DBW08 CV103 MIN TH 20.4MM V46 MADE EC 17

    Hopefully it will be of some use, they are for 4 stud hubs. If i ever have to take them off i will measure them properly
    They sound like repo grp4 repo disks, I used to have sunbeam ones very similar.

    If you get a chance with disk off the hub, take a few pics.

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    I will do mate, when i said 4 stud, i mean originally and then they are redrilled in the gaps for the pcd to fit the escort hubs

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Great info.....not sure how many of those makes we get over here though

    So would you be suggesting using the calipers from the same vehicle for each of the disk options you have listed or would a total mix and match approach be possible/better?

    Also, how does this approach compare to buying the likes of AP/Wilwood etc big brake kits? Better/worse stopping power? Higher/lower cost?

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

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    Basically you should use a disc width similar to the original one used with that calliper. Secondly the pad wipe needs to be compared to the rotor to ensure it does not overhang the inner or outer edge of the rotor. This can occur if the rotor is substantially larger in diameter than the original and the calliper is unable to be positioned at the correct radius - or if the pad is substantially larger than original. Using a similar sized rotor to the original item also ensures the pad profile is suited to the rotor and assists in braking and cooling efficiency.

    Almost any calliper and rotor combination can be used providing they are suited to each other and the application.
    Last edited by Zetec_RS; 05-11-2009 at 04:47.
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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    This is my setup on my turbo technics capri. The mazda rx7 calipers on 300mm bmw discs. I should have gone 283 mm as 15 inch alloys wont go over them.

    Did a trackday with them recently and they were really good, plus I used the standard 2.8 master cylinder and the peddle was great.




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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Hi Rich.

    A few here in Oz have used a similar set-up with the BMW rotors. My main problem was the 10mm increase in track each side when placed over the top of the machine original hub.

    I then chose to go with the Pug rotors above with a suitable adapter - which you have the details The adapters also have the relief for the Capri strut steering arm.
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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

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    Hi Rich.

    A few here in Oz have used a similar set-up with the BMW rotors. My main problem was the 10mm increase in track each side when placed over the top of the machine original hub.

    I then chose to go with the Pug rotors above with a suitable adapter - which you have the details The adapters also have the relief for the Capri strut steering arm.

    Much appreciated with the details. I will get a set made up soon. What was the height of the disc you used was it 27 or 34mm? I assume it was 22mm thick.

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    i bought a cossie front set up on ebay tried them today discs wont fit over the hubs brackets ok going to get them machined out a bit

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Quote Originally Posted by rich_mkii_rs2000 View Post
    Much appreciated with the details. I will get a set made up soon. What was the height of the disc you used was it 27 or 34mm? I assume it was 22mm thick.
    283mm x 22mm rotor and 27mm height overall

    And yes, the calliper is mounted on the wrong strut (as the bleed at the bottom)
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    Cheers

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    Hi,

    Very interesting post regarding "other makers discs" Can I ask, the discs that you have listed with similar off sets, are you suggesting that these discs could be bolted the rear of the standard hub (as the factory escort mk1/2 disc dose) or in the case of the Capri Sport "big disc upgared" using Fiat Brembo and a 300-315mm discs? their converstion fits directly over the face (wheel side) of the hub and needs a bracket to centre the caliper back into a suitable postion? I noticed that you didnt list any discs around the 315mm x 28mm size? do you know of any dics this size that would fit over the face of the escort hub as in the Capri Sport conversion? I cant seem to find what dics they are using? They wont tell me either!!!!

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    Hi,

    Very interesting post regarding "other makers discs" Can I ask, the discs that you have listed with similar off sets, are you suggesting that these discs could be bolted the rear of the standard hub (as the factory escort mk1/2 disc dose) or in the case of the Capri Sport "big disc upgared" using Fiat Brembo and a 300-315mm discs? their converstion fits directly over the face (wheel side) of the hub and needs a bracket to centre the caliper back into a suitable postion? I noticed that you didnt list any discs around the 315mm x 28mm size? do you know of any dics this size that would fit over the face of the escort hub as in the Capri Sport conversion? I cant seem to find what dics they are using? They wont tell me either!!!!

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    Just to give credit to this thread, I used the 305mm rotors from the PEUGEOT 406 3.0L Coupe 97-2004

    I mounted them with Brembo calipers from an Alfa 166. Had some mounts made up and all works great and fits under 15" rims.... Just

    Props to the OP for the help

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    Re: Brake disks which can be used On Mk1/2 Escorts etc

    I used Mondeo xr5 turbo front discs. 300x28 originally 5x108 redrilled to 4x108 with nissan 4 spot calipers.

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    My setup is. 330mm x 32mm discs mounted on alum bells. Running 8 pot ksport calipers. Fit under 17 inch wheels

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