can a duratec 8v from a granada fit into a mk1 escort??? what gearbox would i have to mate this engine too?
what sort of power do u recon i would achieve if i put a T2 turbo on it for starters....seeing as it comes at 125bhp i'm looking at 150-160 the least wid no other mods.
do the 6 bolt flwheels from the pinto/xflow work on this engine also?
ps.zetecs aren't plentiful here........well they are but in 1600 (95bhp) form
the 8v twin cam from the sierra/granada isn't a duratec, its a piece of crap really. Why don't you get a 1600 zetec and bore it out to 2000cc? As far as I know they all use the same block so if you get the right pistons you can get a nice amount of power. Not sure how different the heads are but they can't be much difference between them.
Richard
how they get crap????? they got higher performance than the 2l pinto and 1.6 zetec, so what do u call those then???
Any sites about the place, with info on this 8v DOHC engine, whatever u call it
ps. not being rude/offensive but i like to be different when it comes to modding cars.
I noticed. They are crap because no one does tuning parts for them and they have a problem with snapping the cam chains. Pintos can be tuned far far cheaper and so can zetecs. I agree the 1600 zetec is crap but I wouldn't think it would take much to convert it to a 2litre. Run its on twin carbs and you have at least 150bhp.
Richard
hmmmmmm....was just thinking about the parts factor, do they have standard parts readily available? cause i dont think parts for them sell here.
A zetec would be nice as i would just run 15psi of booost on it
if a 1600 could be taken out to a 2000cc engine safely then i would go that route (wid the 15psi boost of course)
you cant fit the granny/sierra DOHC lump in an escort without serious mods to your bonnet or X member, its to tall, you wont be able to close the bonnet. They can knock out 200bhp with the turbo technics kit on em though.
So what if i cut the firewall back, postioning the engine further back so the 'tall' bit of the sump misses the X member.
How much taller is this engine compared to a 2l pinto or even a 2.3??
even with the low bit of the sump on the x member it still wont fit.
dunno the measurements, havent got one handy to measure, but i saw a mk1 in a yard that was half way through a conversion, and had been left, cos the x memeber was dropped in the middle and car only had about 2 inches ground clearance.
why get a 1600 zetec and bore it out to a 2.0, wouldnt it be easier to just get a 2.0 zetec cos it would already have better throttle body, cams etc? is it because the 1600 is easier to stick straight in on the mounts and has a less complex head?
its because they aren't so many 2.o zetecs here. i.e Barbados.
anyhow think i'm going stick to my turbo pinto, or if a need a change a turbo 2300.
thanks alot tho
seeing as duratec was the starter question, what gearbox would you use if you where to fit a duratec (as in the I4 16v twin cam in new mondys) as its the 1st ford engine to break the tradition "any gearbox will do"
Im guessing a MT75 but i dunno
Speak to gary @ retro....he has mentioned a few times about a company who custom make any bellhousing
Personally I'd speak to raceline who do a lot of parts for this engine and would probably use a type 9 box. Wouldn't be surprised if someone like Dunnell start making the mounts etc anytime soon for this lump as it is a superb engine!!
I've looked into this extensively and the amount of cash it would take to do what would be (at the moment) a lot of r&d and one off parts i might as well do a zetec and tune it to hell and back!!! the exhaust seems to be the main issue at the moment.. best quote i've had is round about 700 for a manifold to connect to a commonly used system,
HTH,
Mark.
I duratec is the next big thing. The current big thing is the zetec though
Richard
true to a degree i guess.. you'll still need new water rail, sump, bellhousing or adapter, mounts, possibly bigger carbs for more fuelI If you go for a zetec now then you will have a lot of the required parts for the duratec when the R&D is finished and parts are being produced.and i would think a few other bits though.
And at the end of the day, if your car can only put down 170-200 bhp why do you need more... join the rest and lie, just say you have 300000 bhp and then beat them with usable power instead of blinding them with tyre smoke. And have a much more civilised car.true to a degree i guess.. you'll still need new water rail, sump, bellhousing or adapter, mounts, possibly bigger carbs for more fuelI If you go for a zetec now then you will have a lot of the required parts for the duratec when the R&D is finished and parts are being produced.
Oh and A-Frame Engineering make most bellhousings for most companies to sell on
very true.. had enough of that tryign to put 200 and somethign bhp down through the front wheels of my old series one!! was a bit lively to say the least. nightmare.
I sold a Duratec recently because
A I didn't think I would use it
B The cost of things like exhaust manifolds was frightening
As it becomes more readily available then prices will fall
same here,sold one last week,as i had commited myself
2.1 pinto Twin 44 idf`s ect
But the bottom end on the st 170 is all steel so should be a pukka engine
the standard ford gearboxes bolt up to this engine. well atleast it did for a mate of mines..
Which duratec was it thogh Sideways?
i would imagine they would to the 8v one, but the Duratec over here (HE i think - shared with Mazda) has a different bolt pattern for the bellhousing.
yeah its the 8v version.
any info on the turbo technics turbo version?
Jackson Racing to a supercharger for both the ST170 engine, and normal focus engine.
Hi,
I am working on a Duratec Escort Mk1. I4/2,3l + T5 Borg&Warner.
Loads of problems to overcome just yet.
Bellhousing: I ordered one in Amerika. This is a Bellhousing that bolts up an T5 and the I4.
Waterrail: Raceline.
Other parts will also be available at raceline and the known shops.
Engine mounts is a problem. There is a company known that makes them but you are probably best of with a homemade enginemount, mounted on the chassis instead of on the Xmember. Quite straight-forward.
The sump is yet my biggest problem. However a dry sump will fit my budged so I am probably going for that option.
I'll have the Exhaust manifold custom made but I could consider having a batch made fot more interested people.
It is going to be cool becouse the 2,3 l does 220BHP on Jeveys and wil offer a load of torque. Sideways should be a piece of cake with this engine.
hey are these I4 motors or 1600 or wateva they r the same as the motors commonly known to be in the 1990 ish ford laser and mazda familia 323 with fuel injection dohc 16v
up to now i dont know the correct name for this engine 8v twim engine, wats it?
And have any tuning parts been developed so far??
1973 mk1 escort
1982 Toyota corolla ke70
1988 mk4 escort
Originally Posted by SidewaysMk1
I know Ford technicians at the dealerships here in the UK refer to it as 'the old clanker' because its not the most reliable engine in the world, prone to doing headgaskets.
You can get a 'SuperChip' for the standard ECU, I know a chap with one in an Anglia and it makes extra 15-20bhp
You can get Cams as well I believe, as well as converting to throttle bodies and after market management (DTA, MegaSquirt, OMEX, Weber Alpha etc)
Not the most popular engine over here I'm afraid
Are the 16v 2.0, n 2.3 16v parts compatible with the 8v??
would be nice if u coould put the 16v directly unto the 8v bottom half. The 2.3 16v doesnt seem like a bad idea either.
1973 mk1 escort
1982 Toyota corolla ke70
1988 mk4 escort
Completely different engines.
She's built like a Steakhouse, but handles like a Bistro
Isnt the rs2000 head a direct fit into them ???
Sorry I thought we were talking duratecs. With the old I4 engine you get swap heads and blocks about, I believe Clint said the best combo is a 2.3 bottom end with the RS2000 16V head
She's built like a Steakhouse, but handles like a Bistro
I'm most sure i saw a mk2 on the forum wid one of these engines before, is he still around?
Who sells the 'super chip' or 'super chipped' ECU's does it eliminate the Built in 6000rpm limiter
1973 mk1 escort
1982 Toyota corolla ke70
1988 mk4 escort
Dan Braids car had one and HT also installed one
im putting a sierra 8v 2.0 lump into my anglia
as for tuning parts available, what neil said above ! also you can not get a manifold to run twin 45 webbers, you can put a 2.3 bottom end on it, janspeed or ashley manifolds, you've got the 16v rs2000 head that you can put on it aswell, if you want to run a type 9 you have to machine down the flywheel but im sticking with the mt7d box on mine, engine and box for £30 ! can argue with that really . . . if it blows up i'll pick up another one for about the same price
i've also been lead to believe there lighter then pinto
and wat results can u get from that?Sorry I thought we were talking duratecs. With the old I4 engine you get swap heads and blocks about, I believe Clint said the best combo is a 2.3 bottom end with the RS2000 16V head
1973 mk1 escort
1982 Toyota corolla ke70
1988 mk4 escort
Think it was 210 bhp or something like that. Clint is the one that knows though.
She's built like a Steakhouse, but handles like a Bistro
Hello everybody I have MK1 1969 Escort Gr.4 project in Artic Circle in Finland.
Motor is now 2.0 OHC RS2000 but I like put there FORD DOHC 2,3i 16V + A4LDE automatic. The new Ford 2,3 motor 0km and all stuff start motor, boxes Ford orginal 1800€.
Have anybody fotos in 2,3 DOHC project in Escort MK1 or MK2 68-80.
harley.davidsonfi@gmail.com
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