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I thought it was the right time to post some photos of my car as I'm doing the Jersey Rally and most cars have some damage! This way I can post 'before & after' pics.
Its a 1973 Mk1 RS2000, I've owned about 9 years and I use it for Tarmac stage rallies, Welsh road rallies, weekend road use and an the odd trackday.
Its has to meet road rally regs so it still has back seats & carpets etc. It also can only run carbs with 2 chokes for 4 cylinders so I use 'Split 48's' rather than twin carbs. These are twin 48 Dellortos machined in half to leave 2 chokes, these provide better torque than a single standar 48 etc.
Its prepped similar to 'Motoring News Championship' spec and just needs the advertising covered up for road rallies. I have used it for historic events but its got the wrong brakes & gearbox now.
Basic Spec:
2 litre Pinto with BVH, split 48's.
Quaife 5 speed SC CRB.
Baby fully floating Atlas.
Front Bilstiens 2 1/4 coil overs (190 lb)
Turreted rear, CD6 sprengs, tramp bars & panard rod.
AP front brakes & discs, rear sierra calipers. All Mintex pads.
13" wheels, Dunlop & Kumho cut slicks (where regs allow).
Yokohama 21R's for road rallies and events with a 'road rally class'.
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andypipe
09-10-2006, 16:55
Very nice
Nice looking car, that.
I'm more jealous of the fact you appear to live on the edge of your own "test track" though! We don't get roads like that up here :(
Any chance of some pictures under the back end, please?
cheers
Tom
Nice looking car, that.
I'm more jealous of the fact you appear to live on the edge of your own "test track" though! We don't get roads like that up here :(
Any chance of some pictures under the back end, please?
cheers
Tom
Thanks, its not as mint as it looks in the photos. Re 'the test track', yep miles & miles of deserted lanes, mountain roads, hairpins. Most of them you can see a long way to check its safe to 'push on'. Just gotta watch out for sheep & wild mountain ponies.I'll take a few pics of the back end set-up ASAP
Retromotorsport
11-10-2006, 08:32
Sod it... i'm moving to Wales :D
Does look a bit nice that car and test track :thumb:
sillymonkey
14-10-2006, 13:22
like that:thumb: like the test track :D
Got a finish in the Jersey Rally, we came 38th overall from 80 starters. Excellent rally on closed roads.The diff broke on the 1st stage and sounded like a Stuka dive bomber, we pushed on but expected it to fail completely on the next stage or road section. It was so loud that I could hardly hear the pace notes through the intercom. Communication was impossible on the road section with the helmets off, anyway it lasted all 36 stages!http://media.turbosport.co.uk/2006/10/200610152031139892606.jpg
Retromotorsport
20-10-2006, 16:35
Well done and a good picture too... bit of tyre smoke... you was trying then :D
well done ! i bet your ears are still ringing? what a rally! well worth the boat trip! cheers car 56
waynemk2
26-10-2006, 11:11
Nice mk1 that, notice the Petwise stickers on it, is it Anthony????
Nice mk1 that, notice the Petwise stickers on it, is it Anthony????
Its one of the 3 'Petwise' cars, Anthony's is a yellow Mk2 & Daves is the blue mk2. have a look at www.pronetrally.co.uk
well done ! i bet your ears are still ringing? what a rally! well worth the boat trip! cheers car 56
Cheers, we had a great time. Where did you finish in the end?You are right about ringing ears, click on the link below and have a look at a short video of us on a hairpin. As the car drives away you can hear the diff SCREAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNpaSLh4iY
steveo_mex
27-10-2006, 21:05
very nice motor there mate:thumb:
always good to see another mk1 being used in the right way:cool:
Nice looking car, that.
I'm more jealous of the fact you appear to live on the edge of your own "test track" though! We don't get roads like that up here :(
Any chance of some pictures under the back end, please?
cheers
Tom
Sorry for the delay in posting pics, the axle has been off the car since Jersey to sort the diff out. Still no idea why a new Atlas crown wheel and pinion would last less than 40 miles (30 road & 2 stage miles). More photos to follow but found these for now. FF baby atlas, 309 discs, sierra brakes, panard rod & anti tramp bars.
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Some more pics of my 'test track'. 1 minute from my house, generally deserted, you can see other cars coming for miles so safe for 'testing', plenty of twisty bits too. Just watch out for sheep!
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Move to Wales, you know it makes sense! Great stage rallies, the best road rallies, loads of Escort & rally preparation companies & parts suppliers, fantastic driving roads, cheap housing & of course sheep!
Well all sorted again then mike :thumb: :thumb:
good news lots of hairpins to test the diff this year :D
will e/mail them pics soon :doh:
where the test track mate,not epynt is it ?
where the test track mate,not epynt is it ?
No, its Gelligaer common about 25 miles North of Cardiff but there are loads of places like this around here.
There are normally at least 2 road rallies that run through here every year.
Well all sorted again then mike :thumb: :thumb:
good news lots of hairpins to test the diff this year :D
will e/mail them pics soon :doh:
Does that mean there will be loads of hairpins this year & I'll need the practice? :dance:
very nice,view and roads like that that make me want 2 move 2 wales
Thats it i'm moving to wales :D :D
photo's sent ;)
Cheers Diffed :thumb:
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I finished fitting the axle last weekend, when I went to take the car out of the garage I noticed the throttle pedal felt 'loose'. Next thing I knew SNAP, it had sheared off at the pedal box. The car was only put on and off a trailer after the last rally so it must have been on the brink of snapping during the rally :clint: . Think I was lucky to get a finish there.
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The one below is the new Group 4 pedal from West Wales Rally Spares, it appear to be much better quality than the Peter Lloyd one that snapped. It even already has an extended foot pedal, saves me welding on a longer one like did on the old pedal :thumb:
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Just had confirmation of our entry for the 'Tour of Epynt' rally on the 4th March. Broke 2 half shafts last year on stage 12 but have the Atlas (now sorted) this year.
Just means something else will break! :stu:
Tour of Epynt result:
3rd in class & 48th over all.
Cant really say it was a good days rallying. The weather was terrible with 7 cars sliding off on 1 stage alone. The final stage was cancelled for safety reasons.
I was on the wrong tyres & had a few big 'moments' where my whole life flashed before me pray: .
Gave up waiting for our class award as the arguing about the 6 excluded cars went on for ages. We were soaked, the car was soaked & the service crew were soaked :(
The car is still in one piece & today I stripped the gearbox off as the bellhousing to box bolts had come loose on the event (one completely missing). I'm going to uprate the clutch from an AP race clutch to a paddle clutch while I'm at it.
Havent ordered any photos yet but you can see how wet it was here (http://www.photographeronthe.net/rallygallery/part_imagedisplay3.asp?imageno=505&total=667&numperpage=20&idcat=4405&par=4403&path=&pid=382)
so what fuel were u using lol
so what fuel were u using lol
Tesco 99 ron with Millers CVL. Legal with the FIA but its a bit unclear if its legal with the MSA hence the general confusion with all the competitors :wall: .
Well done MSA:doh:
Decided to uprate the clutch from the AP motorsport organic type to an AP sprung paddle type. Not cheap but I've been worried about the old one failing on an event.
Also got an heavy duty gearbox mount as the back of the box moves around alot. The original mount is about 35 years old & I can feel the box shifting during heavy cornering etc.
Both items ordered from West Wales Rally Spares & arrived the next day.
Next rally - Tour of Caerwent on the 25th March
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very nice m8, love your test track:)
We have been seeded at 54 for the Tour of Caerwent, there are some very quick cars behind me so I'll be in my mirrors to make sure I dont hold anyone up :O .
We got a good result on this one last year, we were helped by light rain for some of the stages which gave more trouble to the big power cars. As long as we dont the downpour that we had at Epynt a couple of weeks ago!
New paddle clutch in, car is spanner checked & ready to go. It feels odd being ready a week early, bound to break something now :D
Good Luck :thumb:
I've done Caerwent a few years ago. What an amazing place it is. I only managed 2 stages as i found a curb hidden away in the grass! That was in my mini though.
I would like to get an entry on the summer one coming up, to see if i can finish this time in my escort.
Hope you get another good result.
Paul
Lots of car trouble during the rally.....
FIA cutout switch started to fail on stage one (lost over 6 mins).
Ripped a 3 inch gash in a tyre side wall stage 4 (3 mins).
Loose starter motor - thanks to the marshals for the bump start.
Steering rack moving about, cracked mount I think.
Clutch pedal sticking down (suspect debris from paddle clutch contaminating input shaft splines - batch fault apparently).
Failed starter motor - same marshals pushed us again!
After all that, we got a finish (near the back) 40th overall but 3rd in class after a string of retirements :O .
Time to sort out my TCA's, I've had some adjustable ones from PLR but the ball joints are shot (again!). I've bought some similar to the Gartrac ones that have 'rose joints' and replaceable pins can be changed when damaged etc. They came from a guy in West Wales & and generally look more heavy duty than the PLR ones.
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Very nice Mk1. Pity about those little anoying gremlins but you seem to have done better than your ranking on the event. Well done.
Can you advise where you got the spherical bearinged TCA's from. Are they a common modification over here?
Cheers,
Justin P
Very nice Mk1. Pity about those little anoying gremlins but you seem to have done better than your ranking on the event. Well done.
Can you advise where you got the spherical bearinged TCA's from. Are they a common modification over here?
Cheers,
Justin P
I think Gartrac do them but these came from a guy who makes them in West Wales. I'm not sure if its a common modification but it looks like a more robust system than standard ball joints & you can order spare pins on their own in case you bend one. I'll pm you his phone number
Wow looking good,
was wondering, what are the advantages of having the TCA?
able to adjust track width?
Wow looking good,
was wondering, what are the advantages of having the TCA?
able to adjust track width?
Allows to to set more negative camber. It used to be done in the old days by drilling new holes in the cross member but this method is a more acurate way of doing it.
Allows to to set more negative camber. It used to be done in the old days by drilling new holes in the cross member but this method is a more acurate way of doing it.
How much stock camber can set on the stock escort?
How about camber kit? that wont help?
Been ages since I posted anything about the car, Been rebuilding the house so now in a frantic effort to get the car finished for the Jersey rally. The engines gearbox been out to have a big tunnel, I replaced the knackered steeting rack & TCA's.
The biggest job was put off for nearly 10 years, I've finally got around to ditching the crap 35 year old loom (which was in bad condition anyway) & rewired the whole car from scratch..........
Here are some pics of the centre console:
I made all the holes & painted the console in primer & then satin black.
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All the basic components fitted here, I decided to fit a hazard light system as the original loom didnt have one. Comes in handy if you have problems during a stage & need to warn cars behind you.
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Part way through wiring the console, the 2 fuel pumps have separate relays & fuses. all the lights except side lights run of relays & individual fuses (all pop out types). Every relay & fuse can be reached by the navigator while seated. Every connection has been crimped & soldered, the wiring is modern light weight stuff with a minimum of 16.5A rating.
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complete (less some relays)
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starting to plumb in the loom
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It's taken days & days so far, it's cost a fortune in components & I spent many hours doing diagrams etc but it should work better, be more reliable & the lights should be nice & bright. my brain hurts!
steely dan
28-09-2007, 11:27
well done on the wiring :clap: its something that needs doing on my car, im not looking forward to it tho, i had the dipped beam go a while back so i used the live feed for the spotlights (which arnt connected but has new wiring and relays) the difference in brightness is quite amazing.
good luck with the rally and keep at it, tis a lovely looking car :thumb:
Thanks, the spot lights on the old loom were done through relays but the normal lights were well dim. I tested the original wiring & the resistance is terrible.
I can understand why a pro loom is £3000 with all the work involved!!
Looking good, where did you get your relay holder and pop out breakers from?
Roll on Jersey then - Good luck :thumb:
Paul
Looking good, where did you get your relay holder and pop out breakers from?
Roll on Jersey then - Good luck :thumb:
Paul
The relay boxes are the 'standard' ones from any automotive electrical supplies, these ones came from vehicle wiring products in Notts by mail order. They are meant to be mounted on the surface but I modified them to fit flush behind. I bought the fuses ages ago, think they came from RS components.
Working hard to get the car finished in time for Jersey pray:
Looking good Mike,
Hopefully will come and have a nosy at it on tuesday
Matt
Did the winter stages rally in Talbenny last weekend, good weather & good day out.
We didnt have a great finishing position as we stopped on stage for about 5 mins to help a crew out of a rolled car.
My car went well all day without any major problems, the worst being the starter motor which lost all its 'teeth' again!
These photos were taken and sent to me by David Wilmer who kindly gave permission to post them here
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Next event will be a road rally like the Y2K and the next stage event should be at Pembrey after Xmas
looking good their mike :thumb:
nice to see a bit of oversteer :clap:
Just had this sent to me, a clip of me on an hairpin up a hill on the Jersey rally.
Didnt recce this bit so had to trust the pace notes!
Clip (http://www.sladvparts.co.uk/Jersey07handbrake.wmv)
the same bloke just sent me this pic from Pembrey.........
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Great clip, car looks lovely!!
tom burgess
18-02-2008, 23:02
Well Done:clap::cool:car does look very good in action:)
Thanks guys, I'm hoping it will have a bit more power soon. :thumb:
hows the car coming along mike ?
will you be at caerwent at the end of the month ?
Mike & Team newly christened "Murderer Motorsport" will be at Caerwent for sure.
We will be made up of a 3 car team( all escorts ) for the event and all involved are starting to get excited!!
hows the car coming along mike ?
will you be at caerwent at the end of the month ?
Yes :thumb:, regs are in already.
I had a split in a chassis rail which I've now fixed.
I've entered the road rally class so I'll be on yokohamas.
I think I will need a rolling road session soon as it hasnt been set up for ages ;).
Thinking of investing in a tension strut kit, a mate had his XE grp 4 set up with tension struts & it turned in like a go kart!
Mike & Team newly christened "Murderer Motorsport" will be at Caerwent for sure.
We will be made up of a 3 car team( all escorts ) for the event and all involved are starting to get excited!!
I think we should discuss 'team orders' in case it gets a bit tight :D
No problem, mine's a pint!!
You know my car is only just finished so i'm taking no chances, going to be like "Driving Miss Daisy"!!
Not going to wreck all your hard work on the car and put it on it's roof (wait until next event for that!).
the same bloke just sent me this pic from Pembrey.........
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Nice shot their :thumb:
Yes :thumb:, regs are in already.
I had a split in a chassis rail which I've now fixed.
I've entered the road rally class so I'll be on yokohamas.
I think I will need a rolling road session soon as it hasnt been set up for ages ;).
Thinking of investing in a tension strut kit, a mate had his XE grp 4 set up with tension struts & it turned in like a go kart!
fantastic should be a good days motorsport then :dance:
weve put an entry in using the metro 6r4 !! aaah scary im in the co drivers seat for this one to get some experience of caerwent , 1st time rallying in the metro & 1st time at caerwent should be fun . at least i will find out what its like for later in the year when i use the escort .:bolt:
dont surpose you have any stage plans from previous years ?
kev :thumb:
Think there is a link to some old stage diagrams on the british rally forum website under the thread
"Fast Impressions Tour of Caerwent". Basically all 90 degree corners with big kerbs everywhere!!
Brilliant event, you'll be back for sure!!
Matt
fantastic should be a good days motorsport then :dance:
weve put an entry in using the metro 6r4 !! aaah scary im in the co drivers seat for this one to get some experience of caerwent , 1st time rallying in the metro & 1st time at caerwent should be fun . at least i will find out what its like for later in the year when i use the escort .:bolt:
dont surpose you have any stage plans from previous years ?
kev :thumb:
Like Matt said, you can download the old stage maps from the link on the british rally forum.
Cracking event for the drivers, its very busy & gives you a workout!
will have a look in a mo
thanks guys
kev
Had a great day out on the Tour of Caerwent rally, the weather was good all day despite the forecast being crap.
The first stage was very slippy indeed & caught out loads of cars including the team seeded at car 2 who were last seen with the front end of the car nose down in a ditch.
I made a few more mistakes than normal & overshot 3 bends & nearly damaged the car on a 90 right when I went straight on into a high kerb.
We finished 48th overall & 4th in class. We also got the 'best turned out' award which normally I'd be very chuffed about but in a rally its a bit naff to have the best polished car :O.
In the last few stages it was difficult to change gear, the box is leaking a bit of oil but a top-up in serivce showed that it hadnt lost too much. I drove the car home from the rally & on the road it wasnt too bad until the last few miles.
I got under the car last night and found that one of the clutch slave cylinder bolts had stripped its thread & come loose. I'm assuming this is the full reason for the gear change problems :pray:. I've had to drill & re-tapp the hole with an M10 bolt instead of the M8.
The starter motor felt 'loose' despite the bolts to the bellhousing being tight. It turned out to be the bolts that hold the motor to the face plate so the motor came off to fix that.
One bellhousing bolt loose (hanging out), exhaust clamp loose, spring shackle bolts needed nipping up, one wheel bearing needs tightening, steering rack is kaput but apart from all that it survived well.
I spanner checked the whole car before the rally so it shows how much strain & vibration the car is under during a stage rally.
Next event - Talbenny Stages :banana:
Roll on Talbenny!!!
Can't wait, tried to spanner check my car last night but didn't really know what to check so came to the conclusion it'll probably be fine:)
Roll on Talbenny!!!
Can't wait, tried to spanner check my car last night but didn't really know what to check so came to the conclusion it'll probably be fine:)
see a bolt, check it, tighten it
Just look over the car, check things like fan belt, exhaust mounts etc. Anything that looks damaged, loose, worn out.
Rally cars WILL break down but you just dont want to retire from an event because of a loose bolt you didnt check :doh:
Had a bit of an episode today, I'd fitted a new steering rack & set of the toe with a tape measure.
I was just off to get it checked & drove about a mile when my oil light came of and pressure gauge dropped to zero :clint:
Lifted the bonnet & found one of the oil cooler pipes had come off and sprayed most of the contents of the sump over the engine & the road.
The oil cooler pipes were bought pre-swaged but the crimps were miles too loose. one hose off & the other nearly off :rsocmoan:.
I pulled off all the 'high pressure' crimps with just my oily fingers as tools! I've replaced them with jubilee clips & it all seems leak tight.
Better now than during the rally on the weekend!!
Blood shit quality tho:rolleyes:
How smug do I feel!
Took the car to get the tracking checked, I set it up to get it down there using a B&Q tape measure & aimed for 2mm toe in.
The guy wouldnt believe me as it spot on, showed me to prove it. He thought soemone had set it up on calibrated gear first :woohoo:
Thought it was driving well on the way down there!
Had a good day out, forecast was rubbish but wrong as usual with dry weather all day :). This was a round of the welsh tarmac championship so some quick cars were there.
Dewi Mason was in the co-drivers seat for this one, his second time in my car. 1st stage was slowed a bit as a Nova had hit a BIG farm trailer into the road leaving very little space to get past.
The car went well and we up to about 6th in class but on the very last stage the rotor arm failed & we lost about 4 minutes :stu:. This has happened to me before so I had a spare one in the pocket of my overalls, we got a finish but the damage had been done as there were just a few seconds separating lots of crews. Think we finished a few places from last :O.
Rhodri Lewis took these excellent photos & kindly gave permission to post them here. Thanks Rhodri :clap:
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Video clip at Talbenny.............
YouTube - Talbenny rally April 2008 car 60
MCURZON's Escort is the car parked in the middle of the stage (i'm beeping the horn as handbrake around it)
Take a ride around stage 7 of the Bob Shaw Memorial Rally Talbenny....
This is in-car footage from my Escort
YouTube - Bob Shaw Memorial Rally Talbenny 2008 in-car
graham bahr
01-05-2008, 10:13
absolutely F@@@ing brilliant :clap::clap:
Fair play Mike :thumb:
class looking stage :banana:
Looks good, glad it came out ok, when camera was in my car I forgot to turn it on. Just carried the extra weight for nothing!!
Very good :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
Thanks guys.
It was a real squeeze to get the 5 film crew blokes in the back :D
Did some work on the car yesterday, the 'lug' had sheared off the lowering block that locates the top of it to the axle & the steel lug bolt that goes through the leaf springs (holding them together) had sheared off too so the leafs were 'spreading' & nothing was holding the lowering block in place top or bottom. All this on the drivers side.
When I was driving it I could feel the axle movement under throttle & lift off.
Fixed it all now & bought new nuts for the U shackes too. Havent road tested it yet.
Had the starter motor off again, inner bolts that hold the face plate to the body were loose again but this time one had sheared off! Had to strip it to get the snapped bolt off and fit a new one. Used Loctite retainer on them this time
Needs new inner throttle cables again, I normally get 2 events out of them before they start to fray. Brake pads are good for 1 more rally.
Fitted new dizzy, cap, rotor arm & ht leads.
The old dizzy bearings were so bad that the rotor arm cut a deep groove in the cap!
Bought a load of A7FS plugs form here (http://www.mister-solutions.co.uk/), cheapest I've found them anywhere.
Car needs a new nearside sill, havent got the time at the moment so actually considering paying someone to do it.
how was the engine testing yesterday,sorry your test track was abit busier than normal :D :D
how was the engine testing yesterday,sorry your test track was abit busier than normal :D :D
I was suprised to see all those gleaming Escorts the normally deserted roads!
Some great looking cars there :thumb:
All sorts of classics, did you say 90 cars?
I was suprised to see all those gleaming Escorts the normally deserted roads!
Some great looking cars there :thumb:
All sorts of classics, did you say 90 cars?
yea every thing from mg,jags,pair of v6 cilos,loads of mk1/2 escorts,rs500,few kits cars
line up of some of the escorts near the brecon railway
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Very nice indeed:drool:
Wish I'd had time to stop for a look & a chat
Very nice indeed:drool:
Wish I'd had time to stop for a look & a chat
sure it wont be the last time we visit as we all had a crackin day,wen we come back ill let u know :dance::D
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