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    mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    well, finally got my mk1 set up last week, after a very bumpy and lengthy journey! got a st170 motor in it, including the stock inlet. got it down to ffairfach south wales couple of week ago to get the ecu set up. big thanks to that man!! got a 131bhp at the wheels, without the vvt working. am very impressed with how it goes, it will put shame to many four figured pinto's! basic rundown of the car,
    st170 engine
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    baby atlas semi floating, 4.63 diff on ford msport lsd
    ally callipers front and rear, bias box
    coilovers billys allround
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    plus loads more probably
    going for mot this week, and a geometry set up. hoping to have it out in the lanes in march on its maiden voyage! will try and get some pics up soon. cant wait to take it for a proper blast when the geometry is set up right!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    what carbs are you using and what do you think you will get with the vvt running
    i am currently working on on putting an st170 motor into my mk1 after running a pinto on fortys for a year
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    hi si, im running with the standard st induction manifold plenum chamber etc, have to due to road rally regs. not sure id gain more bhp's, but defo more tourqe and for longer i believe with the vvt, but am certainly not complaining with its performance as it is! i know of someone who has the right ecu, but again with standard induction, and has 180+bhp @ the flywheel. am sure you'd gain more with the right carbs/throttle bodies, but couldnt say on the tourqe, as its that that the standard induction is good for, and is what im after. a friend of mine who runs very powerful pintos has claimed that my performance equivelant in a pinto would equate to 3-4k, and still wouldnt have the take off power. a very new territory to me, and no doubt a very steep learning curve!
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    any pics ?

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    will do soon, need to get them off my phone to pc, then i'll load them up!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Good to see more road rally boys on here. I'm looking forward to seeing some pics of this. Which event you doing in march

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    am hoping to be ready and get an entry for the llyn rally, hoping to have it all ticked off this coming week, bar the entry of course
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    What class will you be running on the Llyn? I'm a local Semi Expert (Class 2) nav, looking for a run on this one.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    mmm.......
    who are you?? might just know you! lol! not sure where id be starting again from, but ran as a semi last time, got some decent results, allthough not enough to get many trophys
    lol. you might know the car, and me!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    this all sounds great . Cant wait to see the photos and it out on the lanes . Keep a eye out for the VK rally first week in april and local to you (map119)

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Dyn Car Gwyn, My name is Peredur Davies, maybe you know my father Ifor as he used to organize the meirion. I won the novice class as a nav in 2009 on the llyn and have a good bearing on the eastern side of the peninsula, as i lve in Pencaenewydd, just outside pwllheli.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    sounds good peredur! name dont ring a bell, but would prob recognize you by sight, or your father. i havent been on the scene for around 5 yr now, the last rally i did was the llyn 2006, which i retired from. the car has gone an extensive overhaul since then, so should be i good form. i have contacted my previous nav, so pending what he says, you might just get a call. but will defo let you know either way, will be around next weekend, so might give u a bell.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    how do i get some pictures on here now?

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    use the uploader, the button to the right of new today and below sponsors links pics wil need resizing though 800x800 is a nice size

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    here goes!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    try again



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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    woo hoo! i got some on! under bonnet needs a bit of a tidy up, but its all cobvered up anyway!
    lol thanks graham!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Got any detailed pics of how the inlet manifold fits in the engine bay please?
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    hi there, no pics at the moment, will try and sort some out over weekend. but basically, you need to install the airbox 'upside down', its a bit of a squeeze, but does go, and does work. think you have marginally mor head clearance on a mk2, must warn you, there will be a lot of swearing involved! lol

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Can't fault vince. I always go there. Highly recommended. Good grunt for the car. Had various pintos and 130 at wheels is plenty for fun

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    well, after playing over weekend, and various drives with other pinto owners inside, the car drives nothing like a 180bhp pinto, been said that off the line the st motor would be gone! good bhp figures, but the torque is impressive, amolst a straight line from start to end. dont know what vince has done, but feck in 'ell, it pulls like a train, regardless if it on a steep hill or not! top job that man!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    My last pinto was 184 bhp at 6.5k rpm so not a big revver ( only tool it to just over 7 in bursts) and running brooks 48 splits and even when set up properly it would only start to pull properly from around 3k rpm with the Newman 4.5 cam. As a comparison of modern engines my modern duratec on throttle bodies, cams etc will pull quite clean from 1.5 k rpm (when driving gently on road etc etc) and never bogs down if you come off cam like old pinto.
    The old pinto felt quick when driving because of the more peaky nature whereas the modern engine willbe accelerating more smoothly pulling more lower ( and mid range) end rpm where realistically on road rallies you will be using mid range torque ( in farmyards, fields whites)
    Modern engine developments have made my car much more drivable and more enjoyable.
    Glad your happy with car and hope to see you out soon

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    hoping to be out on the 19/20th of march, llyn rally, come and say if you're around! we see a few of you boys up there now.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Top marks , Car looks great . Dont forget the Vk rally starts in chesterfield

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    regs out for this the vk yet? what kind of entry does it attract?

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Not sure about regs , Be a full entry i guess , use quite a few whites . . not far for you to travel

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    will have to have a good think, fancy it, but only a week after its first outing!
    lol

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Glad your happy with it.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    oh yes, well happy mr dynoman! just need to get acustomed! keep your eyes peeled for the llyn, you might get a good pic for your website!
    thaks again old man!
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    That is a stunning Mk1.

    A few more photo's of both inside and out would be very welcome.

    Good luck on your return to the lanes.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    looks a lovely car, would be nice to see it on the lanes

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    will get some pics up soon, need to give it a set of mudflaps, s oscars and a good scrub! hoping to get a few events done this year, do will see how it goes on the llyn, if im lucky enough to get a run, entry has been returned and paid up, so fingers crossed! i have soooo much familiarizing to be done on driving the car, cant wait to get it on its maiden voyage tho!

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Are you running standard super oscars? We've fitted a 35W HID kit to ours and the difference is amazing. Well worth the 50 off e-bay (and from a UK supplier).

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    MMm, interesting one Phil, answer to your question, yes I am, would this be something that would be allowances regs, or just something that wouldn't be picked up? I converted a previous car to hid and transformed the lights, so appreciate how good they are.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Quote Originally Posted by dyn-car-gwyn View Post
    oh yes, well happy mr dynoman! just need to get acustomed! keep your eyes peeled for the llyn, you might get a good pic for your website!
    thaks again old man!
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    We got there in the end, just less of the old man please! lol

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    lol! we did indeed! am very intrigued by chris palmers 180+ bhp, i feel i wont settle until i have it! lol! will be prob down to see ya later this year or next year, when ive collected enough tokens, then we can try and squeeze some more out of it! dont forget, with age comes experience and knowledge!
    lol
    would you know anything about the hid upgrade on aux lighs on night events vince?
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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    Well Alan, i have read the blue book and it specifically says that auxiliary lamps must not be of gas discharge type. On that basis i would say the the headlamps can. That's my interpretation.

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    funny how a change of words can totally rephrase things! i remember now, some stink was raised about it years ago! it can become tricky with headleamps, as per mot, it should have self levelling suspension, or auto levelling headlamps, and headlamp wash facility! just depends how keen the scruts are! ah well, the idea was there! cheers fella! (noticed how i didnt use old man there! oops! lol )

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    As you now know, Chris is running the DTA S60 which enables you to have a separate map for the VVT on the ST170 engine. I would like to think that with the altered timing we did to yours , 190 bhp would be available from Chris's car. It certainly helped with yours.
    Having read the Blue Book , my interpretation is that you can run the HID headlamps as it specifically says Auxiliary lights must not be of gas discharge type. HTH

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    Re: mk1 escort st170 (well163 acyually lol)

    would it be possible to change the loom to ecu connector? as i really dont wanna change the loom as well! if we can do this, then i'll save some big bucks! might be worth having a pop at the hid's, dont recall them being expensive to convert!

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