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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Great write up as always, well done.

    seems like years since i read about any motor sport!

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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Nice write up I was the guy who lent you the box oil at Kemble. Bustard sounds like a good event to do.

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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidways93 View Post
    Nice write up I was the guy who lent you the box oil at Kemble. Bustard sounds like a good event to do.
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    Bustard is a great event and hopefully it will be business as usual by November, and also for my Exmoor Targa in October
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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    As we all know, not much else happened in 2020, but I did get out on the Hatsford Targa in September. This is held on 25 acres of grass fields which doesn't really suit Fly and we finished 11th.

    Next was the Ilfracombe Targa at Chivenor Airfield in North Devon in October. The airfield is next to the coast and there was a severe storm all day with a lot of the airfield under water - even the portaloo had to be strapped to a fence to stop it blowing over!
    There were supposed to be online results but this didn't happen due to the conditions and it wasn't the sort of day to be checking times with other people. There were a lot of delays and the water was getting deeper, up to a foot deep in places. Fly kept going well but we were getting colder and damper throughout the day and were ready to go home when the organisers called it a day - we had done 6 Tests which was around 30 miles so a decent amount of rallying.
    Then the results took 3 weeks to be published! George and I finished 2nd behind top Welsh Road Rally Driver, John Davies, who had Nick Bloxham navigating in a 1700cc Puma

    Over the winter Fly just needed some welding on the boot floor (again), a rack gaiter and a fresh starter motor
    Onto 2021 and we actually managed to do a rally last weekend

    Kemble Targa Rally - Sunday 9th May 2021

    This event has been run for the last 3 years by Bath MC as a single venue Targa, but as their Festival event was cancelled in February, they extended the Kemble event to use 2 other venues, Charlton Park and South Cerney Airfield, giving 25 miles of Tests. There were 75 entries with the event filling up in 10 minutes (!).

    George and I were seeded Car 5, behind previous winners Ben Griffin / Steve Conner (106 Rallye), Chris Ieuan Hand / Michael Jones (Mk2 Escort), Dai Roberts / Max Freeman (Mk2 Escort), John Davies / Nick Bloxham (Puma) and ahead of Guy Woodcock / Andy Pullan (Mk2 Escort) and Steve Retchless / Sasha Heriot (Mk2 Escort), and a lot of other quick crews on the list, so we knew it was going to be a difficult day to get a good result.

    I had done Kemble before, as had George, but not in the same car and with 6 months since the last event we were sure how it would go.
    We needn't have worried, with the first Test at Kemble going well with 5th fastest time.

    Next was Charlton Park, a stately home just north of Malmesbury, and a venue which hadn't been used for a Targa before. The 3.35 mile Test was a good mixture of smooth gravel tracks, a tricky bit through some trees, a long smooth tarmac driveway, then back onto gravel around an old camp to the finish.
    I was a bit too cautious and hesitated a couple of times as some of the cones were smaller than usual, but no mistakes and 8th quickest, although over 20s behind John Davies.

    The final 2 Tests of the morning were at South Cerney Airfield which has a 1.5 mile perimeter track and just a couple of little loops off to the side, and it was very fast, more like doing a stage than a test. I was glad I was on 10 year old A021R's rather than forest tyres and they were still gripping well after 4 laps over the 2 Tests - all the corners were flat out, just having to stop for the marshals and the chicanes. Quickest time was set by a Clio 172 with us setting top 10 times, and we were lying 4th at lunch.

    The afternoon Tests were identical plus a last slightly different one at Kemble to finish. We improved our times on all the Tests and had a very good run on the last one
    When the results came out later, we were pleased to be 2nd Overall, just 16s behind John Davies / Nick Bloxham who had picked up some a 20s cone penalty in the afternoon

    Well done to the organisers for an enjoyable event, thanks to the marshals and especially George who made sure we didn't pick up any penalties throughout the day

    Pics from Andy Manston

    Kemble is used as a plane graveyard and has been filling up during COVID


    South Cerney


    Charlton Park House in the background


    Part of Charlton Park Estate


    And final test back at Kemble
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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Good result Gavin, it was tricky in places, I was out in my 4 door Escort on turbospeeds because it’s all I had and the weather on Saturday suggested they would be ok but I absolutely ruined all 6! Do you think Extreme VR3s would of held up well?

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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Excellent result......well done!

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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    It was definitely hotter than I expected too - Jason and Dan Stone were also on Turbospeeds and had nothing left by the end!
    As for Extreme VR3's, I would think Mediums all round would have been ok

    I was surprised the 21R's lasted the day but they did and will do some more mileage
    It depends a lot on driving style too - I've normally been good with tyre wear as I'm quite neat and tidy
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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Things have been very busy this month with the Ross MSC Hatsford Targa on 8th August and the Forresters CC Venta Silurum Targa on 22nd August
    For both events, I had Tavern MC member Keith Emery sat in with me - I've known Keith for 10 years but we'd never done an event together

    Hatsford is run at a Farm near Ledbury with the Tests laid out on 25 acres of fields. I didn't expect to do that well, especially as it had been wet the previous day. The first Test, it was just a question of trying to keep moving in the right direction, and the second one wasn't much better - some parts had dried slightly and other parts had got muddier.
    We didn't have any more rain, so it got faster during the day, but we were caught out by a few cones which weren't quite where we expected them to be.
    We finished 7th overall (in the Interclub event) and were the top RWD car, but well behind the leaders.





    Venta Silurum is the Roman name for Caerwent, an Army Training ground in South Wales which has been used for Rallying for many years, but this was the first Targa Rally.
    The organisers had laid out 3 Tests in a loop, with 2 loops in one direction in the morning, and 2 loops in the other direction after lunch. Each Test was 2.5-3.5 miles, making a total of 40 miles.

    Caerwent is well known for having a maze of roads and buildings, and a lot of kerbs, so we just wanted to get round without any problems. The first loop didn't go well, getting used to the scale of the maps and how everything was laid out, but we had a clean run through the 3rd Test which gave us some confidence for the next loop. There were no changes to the Tests and we were 40-45s quicker on each one which moved us into the top 20.
    The reverse direction after lunch worked well as there were enough tyre marks to follow. We were getting quicker and avoiding all the kerbs, setting times around the top ten. The last loop was similar along we lost a bit of time on the last Test as the axle had started rumbling and we didn't want to break anything!
    We finished 12th overall but need to try a lot harder (and cut some corners) to be anywhere near the top crews. It was a great event though and I look forward to going back there next year.





    Next event is the Three Shires Stages on 5th September - 65 miles of Closed Road Stages in Worcestershire, Gloucestershire and Herefordshire, so I'm busy fitting the fire extinguishers, seats, harnesses, intercom, etc, from Dvy into Fly, and rebuilding the axle (the hub bearings had gone tight, so not too serious)
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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Good write up and result at Caerwent, I managed a decent result but I’ve been going there to marshal for a long time, still never seen it laid out like that and some of the roads used. Running a little further back probably helped on the first loop too.

    I could do with Splits on my Escort to make the most of the engine but see it as a bit of risky move now with potential rule changes!

    Cheers, Lewis car 31

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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    I had a set of splits in 2000 and sold them in 2004 as I thought the rules were going to change. They never changed the rules but who knows what will happen in the future!

    Anyway I'm ready for the Three Shires Stages on Sunday, fitted the moulded slicks as it looks like it will be a dry day
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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Two very different events over the last 5 weeks

    Three Shires Stages - Sunday 5th September 2021 - 65 miles of Closed Roads based at Malvern Showground
    I'd done this event 2 years ago in DVY but as I am still lacking an engine, went out in Fly instead
    Abi Haycock was codriving for me for the first time and we were seeded Car 85 (out of 140) with a lot of quick cars around us

    The format was 3 loops of stages, 4 on the first loop, then 5 on the 2nd and 3rd loops (due to a Church Service on one of them)
    We had completed the recce a few weeks before in wet weather but it was a hot and sunny day for the event
    Some of the stages I recognised from 2019, and others had been lengthened or were completely new

    I knew we wouldn't be quick but ended up with a Group N Subaru behind us so were confident we wouldn't be caught on a stage
    The first loop went well, apart from stage 2 being cancelled, and we returned to the showground with just the basic checks required, lying 95th overall (!)

    The second loop was better, with all 5 stages running and slightly quicker on each one, we didn't get caught by anyone and back in service the only slight worry was a bit of play in the steering, but there was nothing obviously wrong. We did enjoy the ford at the end of Stage 8 as there wasn't enough water to worry about
    At this point we were 80th overall



    The 3rd and final loop was a bit of a disappointment - Car 24 had a big off on the first stage - the crew were ok but the stage was cancelled, then just as we were getting ready for the second stage, that was also cancelled, so we arrived at the regroup 1.5 hours after leaving service and felt like we had just driven around for no purpose!
    There was a regroup at a Village Hall but, although the marshals tried their best to get us back into the right order, there wasn't enough room for everyone so we headed off to the 3rd stage and sorted ourselves out to make sure there was a slower car behind us
    We were also worried about the time as the 1st car needed to start the last stage by 5:30pm for us to be allowed to run through it competitively. Luckily they got it going at 5:28pm so we had a good run through the final 3 stages of the event, arriving back at Malvern Showground around 6:45pm

    Overall we finished 71st, but more importantly, Fly ran well all day, we just added fuel and carried on. Abi did a good job on the notes despite being tired after codriving on the Woodpecker the day before!


    Targa in the Dark - Saturday 2nd October 2021
    After a few weeks removing the homologated seats and refitting the comfy bucket seats, fitting the spotlights and knobbly tyres, I was ready for the Targa in the Dark, run by Bath Motor Club
    This was using some Tests previously used on the Bath Festival (part of Stourhead Estate) so I sort of knew where I was going, but the 2 Alfreds Tower Tests had a different format, with a combined start and a split halfway round to get back to the start the first time, and the second time we went onto a new section in New Park Wood.

    Abi was also navigating on this one and we were seeded at Car 5 behind Dan Morris in a green Puma and Ethan Davies in a red Puma - Cars 1 and 2 were non-starters and there were 55 cars in total. Abi had competed on the Bath Festival twice before although never that high up, but with a comprehensive roadbook and very good maps and diagrams for the Tests, I was sure we would be fine!

    There were 10 tests in total, 5 in each loop with a regroup in the middle. The event was called the Targa in the Dark, but we started in daylight, with rather wet and horrible weather, and did a short farm track then a familiar test around Frome Showground. We were a bit slow on the first Test but 5th fastest on the second.
    Into Alfreds Tower for the first time and it was very slippery, followed by clouds hanging in the trees near the end made it a bit interesting in the fading light. We got close to the undergrowth a few times but nothing to worry about. Back around to the start for Test 4, we joined in behind Car 25 who was on Test 3. It was going well until after about a mile we got to a Stop / Go and found Car 24 had got beached, with no room to go past. Myself, the marshals and the driver from Car 25 managed to get Car 24 going again and he headed onwards while we ran back to our cars. We were stopped for nearly 2 minutes but completed the new section without any further problems although the new section was even more slippery with a lot of grass up the middle of the track. As quite a few cars were affected by the hold up, we put in a query at the end and the organisers gave us a "Nominal Time" (as would happen on a stage rally).
    The final Test of the loop was Castle Wood, and we got round this without incident and at the Regroup we were 6th overall.



    Out on the second loop, the start marshal's clock was fast on the first Test so 22 cars beat the minimum time, then on the Showground I was trying to go faster but found there was less grip as the surface had got looser, and we were 8s slower. Back in the forests, there was a 20 minute delay at the start of the Alfreds Tower Tests as they were still recovering cars who had gone off or broken down the first time through! Finally we got going and didn't have any problems on these 2, although some of the later cars got held up by other cars getting stuck. Our times were similar to the first runs - the tracks had dried out a bit, slightly rougher and there were still some slippery bits to catch you out. We were pushing on through the New Park Wood section and came over a crest into an unseen left / right to find the green Puma off on the left. I braked hard and got very sideways but sorted it out just in time to get past



    No problems either on the final Test in Castle Wood, and 4th quickest was a good way to end the event.
    Back at Wincanton Racecourse, once the Notional Times had been sorted out for all the competitors affected, we were pleased to finish 4th Overall
    Ethan Davies won the event by nearly 2 minutes, followed by Huw Morris in his Focus, then Jason and Dan Stone in their Duratec powered BMW

    In a few weeks, I'm organising the Exmoor Targa, then hoping to try a new Targa event at Walters Arena in November and the Bustard Targa a few weeks after that
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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    You sound very busy Gavin. Im having a difficult time rebuilding mine so nice to read some reports to get the motivation back.
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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Great write up Gavin as usual love reading all the updates, you sure do get through some amount of events!

    I had a targa last saturday, and one tomorrow - first time ive done 2 events back to back and i can hardly deal with the pressure!

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    Re: GavinR's Mk2 Rally Car - FLY

    Good reports.

    I did the Three Shires too, it was a shame to lose the stage mileage to canceled stages.
    We were caught out by bales missing or in different places compared with the roadbook. Finished in one piece & drove the car onto the trailer which is always a bonus

    By the way, you beat us on the rally by 18 seconds

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