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    FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Heres the forth in a series to help anyone considering the Zetec Upgrade, I have compiled these posts from mainly information off the forums, so a big thanks to everyone who has shared thier data with us.
    I will be adding and updating these posts as we find out more so keep an eye on the edited date at the bottom of the post and reread it for the latest information.

    Sump:
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    1.8 CVH Modification, the Sierra 1.8 CVH sump will bolt straight onto a Zetec,

    Here I have a few pictures of a 1.8 CVH Sierra sump being modified by Gary @ RetroMotorsport, I asked Gary to modify the sump for road and drifting use, we cut out the bit we needed to loose and then baffled the pickup area.



    COMPARISION WITH MK2 RS2000 SUMP

















    Other Sump systems to follow

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Top Work Guys, That is the sump I have to fit on mine, Gary could you do a drawing of the baffles?

    Cheers

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    will any cvh sump fit, but require more mods. 1.8 cvh sierra are thin on the ground.

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    No m8 only the 1.8 CVH will fit.

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    I have just been offered a sump for 20 quid do I need the dipstick as well, can you think of anything else from the bottom end????

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    No Need for a special sump here

    http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showf...e=0&fpart=3

    http://koti.mbnet.fi/setalat/cortina/148285.jpg

    Spyder cars also use the 1.8 Zetec sump & pick up pipe with no problems.

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    ludsonline said:
    No Need for a special sump here

    http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showf...e=0&fpart=3

    http://koti.mbnet.fi/setalat/cortina/148285.jpg

    Spyder cars also use the 1.8 Zetec sump & pick up pipe with no problems.
    Yes thats for a front boweled Cortina fitment, you should still modify the pickup for better placement on RWD cars..

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    How much gap does there need to be between the sump & steering rack?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    a point worth noting is that the sierra 1.8 cvh pickup pipe bolts strait onto the zetec and matches the sump.

    why wont other cvh sumps do the job if cut n shut ?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    does anyone know if the cvh sump will fit straight in on a capri?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Help!!!!!!!! Wheres the sump pics gone I ve got a black top 2lt and a sierra 1800 cvh sump to fit it, But the sump is to shallow to fit over the zetec oil pump! It wont even fit the block with out the cvh oil pick up fitted So I got a 2lt silver top and thats the same So I thought the sump cant be off a 18cvh sierra! So I went and got a sump and pick up off a sierra myself !! and guess whats coming next! Thats the same Being to a quite a few sites and thay all say the 1800 sierra cvh sump fits straight on its just needs modifying to clear the X_member and Im sure Clints excellent pics didnt have the sump changed around the pick up/pump area ? I am getting a good stock of engine parts tho Can some one tell me where Im going wrong please Also I take it you dont use the front and back 2 sump bolts cos the zetec block hasnt any drillings for them?
    Cheers Paul
    p,s, will take some pics at weekend

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Any chance of the photos being put back on please

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Quote Originally Posted by paulmex
    Help!!!!!!!! Wheres the sump pics gone I ve got a black top 2lt and a sierra 1800 cvh sump to fit it, But the sump is to shallow to fit over the zetec oil pump! It wont even fit the block with out the cvh oil pick up fitted So I got a 2lt silver top and thats the same So I thought the sump cant be off a 18cvh sierra! So I went and got a sump and pick up off a sierra myself !! and guess whats coming next! Thats the same Being to a quite a few sites and thay all say the 1800 sierra cvh sump fits straight on its just needs modifying to clear the X_member and Im sure Clints excellent pics didnt have the sump changed around the pick up/pump area ? I am getting a good stock of engine parts tho Can some one tell me where Im going wrong please Also I take it you dont use the front and back 2 sump bolts cos the zetec block hasnt any drillings for them?
    Cheers Paul
    p,s, will take some pics at weekend
    Paul the blacktop zetec engine uses the alloy part off the sump for strengthening of the engine.
    If you don't use it the engine will flex a lot and will break down.
    In a kitcar they use the alloy part and modify the steel part the is bolted underneeth.
    If you want a shallow sump you have to use the one from raceline or go for the silvertop zetec and then put the sierra sump under that


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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzie
    Paul the blacktop zetec engine uses the alloy part off the sump for strengthening of the engine.
    If you don't use it the engine will flex a lot and will break down.
    my opinion for this is:
    • blacktop block without alloy strenghtener is as stiff as silvertop block.
    • blacktop block with alloy strenghtener is a bit more rigid than silvertop.
    this is written in Ford TIS:
    The purpose of the lower crankcase is to dampen the engine vibrations. This leads to a further reduction in the noise level in the passenger compartment.
    Cheers, Tepi

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Quote Originally Posted by TepiTheFinn
    my opinion for this is:
    • blacktop block without alloy strenghtener is as stiff as silvertop block.
    • blacktop block with alloy strenghtener is a bit more rigid than silvertop.
    this is written in Ford TIS:
    The purpose of the lower crankcase is to dampen the engine vibrations. This leads to a further reduction in the noise level in the passenger compartment.
    Hope you are right
    I heard stories about people who didn't use the alloy part and there engine seized up cause off that the sump that was fitted torqued the engine and because it wasn't rigged enough to cope with the power


    regards Tazzie
    ps this was in a kitcar with about 180bhp

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Thanks for replys, I see what you mean about the alloy part looking stronger but for my use I dont think it will be to much of a issue The main thing is the sierra just dosent fit too well, been on with it again today and the oil pump is pushing the sump to far forward and only half the sump bolt holes are showing Do I open the holes a bit or reshape the front of the sump

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    sorry about size of pics!!!!!!! I uploaded the wrong size DOH

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    I have Sierra cvh sump and phase3 Zetec in my Escort. I reshaped the oilpump area, as you suggested, heated the problem areas with gas welding torch and carefully hammered more space for the oilpump. Stil had to open up some holes a bit.

    ps. just got the engine running this weekend

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    Cheers for that Tinde,Was starting to think it must be me that it didnt fit straight on !!!!!!!

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    What happens about the windage tray that is integral in the alloy portion of the phase 3 engine and how does the dipstick go into the sump.

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    if the bottom part is tin, cant a cut off sierra part be welded on?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    what for sump to use in mk1 cortina? there is the deep part located in front of engine while in escys it's near to bellhousing...
    1965 ford cortina 4door 1.3 crossflow

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Quote Originally Posted by bufan
    what for sump to use in mk1 cortina? there is the deep part located in front of engine while in escys it's near to bellhousing...
    Mk5-6 Escort's have front bowled sump. I have '97 Escort engine in my Cortina. Still had to modify the crossmember, I fitted the center part from mk2 Escort crossmember.
    http://koti.mbnet.fi/setalat/cortina...139palkki.html

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    thanks for the pic and links, very informative. very nice work you've done!
    1965 ford cortina 4door 1.3 crossflow

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    im confused ? what are you fitting it into? sierra 1.8 cvh sump is usefull for escort fit(sump at back) tina's have sump at front. why not mod the lower steel section and pickup to suit?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    what about the st170 sump? its different to normal zetec ones. does it clear as it should or need replacing?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    I've just replied to you in another thread (dyanetski) looking at using a st170 lump myself Maybe we can pool our info
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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    I would imagine the ST170 sump is similar to the other zetec sumps as it still fits in the same body shell. Might fit in a cortina, etc but not in an Escort (rear bowl).

    She's built like a Steakhouse, but handles like a Bistro

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    i'm just modding a sump for my zetec which is going in a mkI Escort, with refrence to the photo's
    1.what was done regarding the now reduced volume of oil ?
    2. where was the pick-up pipe placed, and how?
    3. what was done with the "crank splash plate" that is bolted to the engine- is it ok to leave this off the engine?
    4. what was done to prevent it from warpping?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    the pickup from the std 1.8 cvh can be used
    oil volume can be increased with a wing like the rs alloy sump
    windage plate in the bin
    sumps are fairly solid, tack it all up and it shouldnt warp too much

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    what about the dip stick were does this get put?

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    well slap me with wet fish if i should accidently promote copying...... but.... have a look at a retro ford sump.... or indeed buy one. (on top of the wing)

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    If you can bolt it to a scrap block when you weld it Windage tray unfortunately won't fit but had no problems with mine. Weld a wing on the side but make sure you leave clearance for the starter motor! I would add a little extra baffling to the sump whilst its in bits too just to be on the safe side.

    She's built like a Steakhouse, but handles like a Bistro

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    arnt the wing and starter on different sides ? as the starter is still on the nearside?

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    Thats what I mean, make sure you put the wing on the opposite side to the starter

    She's built like a Steakhouse, but handles like a Bistro

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    Is it not possible to modify/cut and shut the ally sump already fitted to the 2 litre Zetec for use on track days in a mk2 escort?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    good post cheers mate.

    do i need to mod the 1.8 CVH sump to fit my zetec to my sierra?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    If you're using sump, pick-up pipe and engine mounts out of 1800CVH Sierra, then your zetec block will fit to your sierra with no problems.
    Do you have 1800CVH engine mounts?
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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    i have 1.8 diesel mounts.
    so i will not need to mod the CVH sump in any way to clear the crossmember?

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    Re: HOW TO FIT A ZETEC - Part 4 - Sump - NOT FINISHED

    sorry my english, by mounts i mean engine mounting brackets.
    in the pictures is sierra cvh 1800 block with mounting brackets and sump. these brackets are bolt on to zetec block. so sump will be in same position in relation to crossmember with zetec block as it is with cvh block. so i cannot see any clearence problems.


    there is more pictures in this thread
    http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=108896
    Cheers, Tepi

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