DW's 3dr Cossie 24v TT Racecar

[david_white]

The story started here; http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=127085

Basically to briefly update everyone I bought this slightly beaten up and very unloved 3dr motorsport cosworth recently with the intention of it homing my 24v twin turbo V6 as it was complete bar its YB which had long since kicked the bucket.

After a deep clean and a couple of weeks of stripping all of the remaining trim, pas, abs, glass, rear wiper, loom, heater, etc, etc.. its now time to start planning to rebuild it all, to a higher standard and with a lot less weight :pray:

It will run in the DMN championship with a few other TS members and will be in the same class as Graham Bahr's BMW :clint:

When i got it and we hosed it all off it looked like this: :sick:

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This is how it looked after a bit of strippage :banana:

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..and this is roughly the way it will look once its all done :pray:

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[Pushrod King]

Looking good:thumb: Will it be ready for Easter?

[david_white]

Looking good:thumb: Will it be ready for Easter?

No way, but I'm aiming for mid summer, are you all ready to go? ;)

[david_white]

Did a bit more last weekend, stripped out all braking system except rear discs and the aeroquip lines that are there. Took out handbrake, pedal box, abs, servo, hard lines etc.

All the brakes need are a big front brake kit and fitment of the hydraulic bias pedal box I've located. :thumb:

Bumpers are off, rear one needs inner lightening and a new front is on its way. I also found the rear hatch to be knackered where something heavy had dropped onto the whaletail and roof (hence smashed rear screen I guess), lowering it an inch into the boot. I didn't notice this until I tried to fit the RS500 lower spoiler and could get my hands under the middle of it :doh:
An XR4i hatch is on the way with a bit of luck.

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Also tried one of the OZ rims that came with it :cool:

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Next step is to remove all PAS pipes and pump, and somehow get the exhaust down pipe off of the system :thinking:

[tom burgess]

just slap a cossie YB in it.off the shelf parts and its already race proven:thumb:

[graham bahr]

not a bad idea tom, except that davids already got an engine so that is effectivly free, wheres a YB even a fairly standard one is going to cost ££££

[david_white]

just slap a cossie YB in it.off the shelf parts and its already race proven:thumb:

Why spend a fortune on a YB when i have an engine ready to drop in which should produce similar power but be less stressed and less laggy? :dunno:

The 24v will drop straight into the sierra even using the T5 it has with my bellhousing so it'd be rude not to really :dance:

[tom burgess]

just aslong as the 24v will drop straight in with the two huge snails hanging off either side then ok i suppose:)bit gutted the escort wont make it out though:stu:hopefully you still keep that idea in the back of youre mind:pray:

[popuptoaster]

just slap a cossie YB in it.off the shelf parts and its already race proven:thumb:


24v is race proven too, it was developed from the FBE formula 3000 engine. :tongue:

[tom burgess]

24v is race proven too, it was developed from the FBE formula 3000 engine. :tongue:
not TT it werent:tongue::tongue:

[Pushrod King]

No way, but I'm aiming for mid summer, are you all ready to go? ;)

Which summer:dunno::lol:

Am I already to go? ERR.................NO. My car looks the same as yours does at the moment:doh:

[Pushrod King]

PS: I meant to say The sound of the TT V6 is going to be way nicer than a yb:thumb:

[popuptoaster]

not TT it werent:tongue::tongue:

I didnt need to be, it had nearly 300 horses and torques anyway which is pretty good for a sub 3 litre. :D

Despite the snails its looking interesting matey. :D

[graham bahr]

not TT it werent:tongue::tongue:

i wouldnt be so sure, geoff kershaws one has been reliable and that has about 600bhp

[tom burgess]

i wouldnt be so sure, geoff kershaws one has been reliable and that has about 600bhp
saw that thing go at pestalozzi (sp)a few years back now.my god that was fast:clint::crazy:.broke the record there if i remember rightly:confused:.well i werent slating the engine just didnt want this 3dr to end up as a hooge project like the escort has been:stu:.i want to see David race as all i have seen him do so far is about 10 feet then a broken half shaft:D:bolt:.and that werent even in his car:help:.

[david_white]

This car will go together quite quickly now, the engine install will be a hell of a lot easier and most parts, including panels are still available making it easier to run.

The escort will get an update very soon so look out for it, in the meantime i'm working most days off to get the cossie done :thumb:

[4parajon]

I was just goin to ask about the Escort as well:thumb:

[david_white]

Grabbed a couple of hours today to trial fit my ebay special XR4i bootlid along with the proper cossie whaletail and the fibreglass RS500 lower spoiler that wouldn't fit the old, bent, hatch.

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Also finished stripping off all the power steering, just need to separate the YB downpipe, swap bellhousings and it will be time to trial fit the engine :banana:

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[graham bahr]

nice one david keep it up!

[DanR]

DAve - obviously missed it but why not drop the engine into the escort????

[david_white]

DAve - obviously missed it but why not drop the engine into the escort????

It was in the escort and space was becoming a real issue, both with lack of space for ancillaries and potential temperature problems.

In the sierra everything should be able to be fitted fairly conventional as its already a turbo'd car and sierras were designed to accept a cologne engine from the start. Plus the engine bay is a lot wider. :thumb:

[DanR]

so what is the plan for the escort? - such an amazing car it deserves to be abused

[david_white]

so what is the plan for the escort? - such an amazing car it deserves to be abused

Not sure at the moment, my main plan is to get the sierra ready to race and see how the engine etc behaves, if it's too scary i'll be putting a 1100 xflow in the escort and using that instead :clint:

Seriously though i'm not too sure, but the best way to get the escort on track would be with a mild YB, a balls out N/A like a duratec would be nice but bit too pricey ATM.

There will be updates hopefully over on the escort thread soon :thumb:

[david_white]

Couldn't do too much this weekend but got my new bumper bolted on, also removed turbo downpipe ready for the engine to go in, which will be very soon. :banana:

Good excuse to see if my new phone has a better camera too :rolleyes:

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[david_white]

Got the old bellhousing off today and fitted the V6 one along with its adapter plate and hydraulic concentric kit.

Should have been an easy job except that they'd fitted tx55 torx bolts (not enough access for the tools) to the cossie bellhousing and threadlocked them to buggery. No torx tool would fit nicely in the space and unfortunately one perished in the process :stu: Never known ANY bolts so stupidly tight, but eventually got them off :woohoo:

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Next time you see the engine bay it will be full of V6 and turbos, hopefully next weekend :banana:

[david_white]

Myself and the Pipes spent a couple of hours lifting the engine into the sierra this morning, although not without a couple of problems.

The bolts in the sump girdle were fouling on the rack so it looks like we might have to modify the way its mounted slightly, hence the wooden blocks spacing the mounts up in the last pic. I did pick up some lovely vibra technics competition mounts though from Burtons which will help greatly and make the engine nice and stable too :cool:

The other thing is that the plenum is touching the bonnet but hopefully we have a solution for this too without making the bonnet look silly :pray:

Some pics while the sun was out;

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[Retromotorsport]

How did you get that in there.. my hoist is still here ..

[popuptoaster]

didnt mk1 sierra diesels have a bulge in the bonnet? or am i imagining that?

[david_white]

didnt mk1 sierra diesels have a bulge in the bonnet? or am i imagining that?

You may well be right Mart, I haven't got a clue :dunno:

Trying not to bulge anything atm :gay:, but if needs must it might get a subtle bulge just where the throttle body goes on.

Might get a glass bonnet for it yet which I won't mind modifying so much, depends on budget really :thumb:

[markb]

all gone quiet.. :watchout:

anythign happening with this Dave?

[david_white]

all gone quiet.. :watchout:

anythign happening with this Dave?

Done a few bits to the engine to get it to fit better and to get the turbos and associated pipes more like where I want them. Bonnet closes now so doesn't look like I'll need to bulge it, probably just put a little mesh cut out in the middle above the front of the plenum. :thinking:

Also need to get it down the painters to get all the bodywork parts fitted and painted (once I've made all the bumpers and even the whaletail quick release) then fit the perspex windows I've got. :banana:

Will try to get some done on it tomorrow but next week I have a longer weekend which is when it will get loads done :thumb:

[markb]

sweet! you'll be out racing in no time by the sounds of it! well kind of anyway...

[markb]

:watchout:

[Broadmoor]

:tumbleweed:

[david_white]

Ok sorry guys, not much to update really, just been spending the last 3 months 'trying' to buy a house. It seems that a good deposit, no chain, decent job, being married etc dont count for s**t these days, no one wants to lend you money for a house so you're screwed. Will end up taking the Abbey and my estate agent to court at this rate as they are all no good, lying pieces of :percy:. Rant done. :(

As for the sierra, I have quite a few bits to do on it still but I might get the bodywork a bit more sorted now while I have the chance to save having to strip it all again later.
Got loads of goodies to go on it, just trying to decide what engine to run in it as the current one puts me in class A and pretty much out of contention compared with the skylines and hi budget escos's. :doh:
Might go back to something more of a std fitment for a lower class, with 16 valves and similar power :rolleyes:

Also want to look carefully at the problems the Turbo cars such as Graham Bahr's and the Skylines have as I want (need) to have something relatively easy to run and work on... ie more fun :thinking:

[graham bahr]

now i am thinking aloud here :thinking:

but it has occured to me that maybe class C capacity limits could be raised to 2800 or 3000cc for 2 valve engines, which makes an essex or colonge V6 a possibility............................................

i was mainly thinking it with a view to giving capris somewhere to race other than in classic stuff but i suppose it could apply to a sierra :popcorn:

[david_white]

now i am thinking aloud here :thinking:

but it has occured to me that maybe class C capacity limits could be raised to 2800 or 3000cc for 2 valve engines, which makes an essex or colonge V6 a possibility............................................

i was mainly thinking it with a view to giving capris somewhere to race other than in classic stuff but i suppose it could apply to a sierra :popcorn:

Hmmm, that could be interesting then, keep me posted on that. Would love to race in C or D, but would a cologne be easy to build with decent power, I guess around 240 is possible at a price? :thinking:

[david_white]

Oh and yes it would be good to rope in some of the old crapi's, I can think of a couple that would probably like a go in DMN :thumb:

[graham bahr]

Hmmm, that could be interesting then, keep me posted on that. Would love to race in C or D, but would a cologne be easy to build with decent power, I guess around 240 is possible at a price? :thinking:

if you start with a 2.9, then given a triple type inlet ( im pretty sure they are avaiable) then i recon 240 would be quite possible without going ott on the rest of the spec or revs, poss some 24v internals rods, pistons? might be of use

[SFS]

What mods are you allowed to make to the suspension pick up points?

If you are allowed to mod them you really need to look at changing the 18 deg rear beam you will currently have.

Some of the usual cossie suppliers charge a small fortune for this (£1000-1800) but if you aree handy with a welder or know someone that is i expect you can do it not much more than the cost of some good rod ends.

[popuptoaster]

XR4i's would fall into that class as well, can your lot race 4x4's?

[graham bahr]

What mods are you allowed to make to the suspension pick up points?

If you are allowed to mod them you really need to look at changing the 18 deg rear beam you will currently have.

Some of the usual cossie suppliers charge a small fortune for this (£1000-1800) but if you aree handy with a welder or know someone that is i expect you can do it not much more than the cost of some good rod ends.

unless you want to run in the almost anything goes class A you cannot modify the pick up points.

[graham bahr]

XR4i's would fall into that class as well, can your lot race 4x4's?


4x4 ends up in class A where nearly anything goes, which is fine if you have 500 plus bhp, but no good if your using a non turbo ohv v6 motor

[markb]

but if you aree handy with a welder or know someone that is i expect you can do it not much more than the cost of some good rod ends.


dave doesn't know anyone that can weld... :D
:duck:

[david_white]

The rear beam has already been considered so as soon as the car has got a few miles under its belt that will all get sorted pretty easily without modifying the cars pick up points or floor. :thumb:

Graham, the 2.9 N/A is a possibilty, especially as it would bolt straight into the space I've already sorted with essentially the same block on the 24v.
Only thing is I'd want at least 240 brake from it and I don't know if that would involve a lot of exotic internals and head work as I know that most people seem to find the power by going massive on the cc's. The thought of triple carbs is alluring though :drool:

Alternatively I could run a CVH (stop laughing chaps) as was fitted in a sierra but in the form of a 1600 turbo which also fits into class C as far as i remember. 250+bhp would then be even easier to find and the install would be pretty easy.:thinking:
The parts are also easy to get and there are loads of tuning options, which there aren't with the 24v TT which only a couple of tuners seam to bother with. Plus I'd save a shed load of weight and run in a more sensible class compared with the current class A setup :thinking::thinking:

All food for thought anyway, I'm not gonna swap the engine withut a lot of research (thats if I do at all) and theres loads of other stuff for me to get on with in the meantime :thumb:

[Pushrod King]

unless you want to run in the almost anything goes class A you cannot modify the pick up points.

Does that mean that all of the escorts in class d should be in class a:clint:

[SFS]

Does that mean that all of the escorts in class d should be in class a:clint:

Good point!:thinking:

[chatteris]

Alternatively I could run a CVH (stop laughing chaps) as was fitted in a sierra but in the form of a 1600 turbo which also fits into class C

Didn't they also make an 1800 cvh or would the extra capacity put you in a different class

[andypipe]

Does that mean that all of the escorts in class d should be in class a:clint:

The rules state that 5 linking is an exception:

5.8.1 Class A unrestricted
5.8.2 Class B-E unrestricted but standard pick-up points must be retained although not necessarily
used. Additions or modifications of springs, shock absorbers, and suspension heights are
permitted. The fitting of adjustable suspension components and Watts linkage is permitted.
Rear sub-frames, used for suspension and brake components only, may be removed.
5.8.3 For live axle RWD cars is permissible to adapt the floor pan to accommodate additional axle
location link, but the standard pick up points must be retained.

[markb]

Didn't they also make an 1800 cvh or would the extra capacity put you in a different class


1800 cvh is a shocking engine.. totally useless for turbo charging and apparently no better for anything else other than weighing in.;)

[markb]

i wonder if the rules would permit a zvh.. i imagine not as the block wouldn't be one that was used for original fitment?

[david_white]

The point with the cvh is that with a turbo 1600cc 8 valve is the maximum size for class c anyway (if I remember correctly-Graham?)

[david_white]

Taken from DMN regs;

Class C Up to 2000cc: multi-valve. Up to 2500cc dual -valve Up to 1600cc: forced
induction

Classes B, C, D & E.
The engine block must be as that fitted to the original homologated model, or a subsequent
variant as produced by the manufacturer and have a crankshaft which is interchangeable with
the original unit. All these major components must remain in their original location as envisaged
by the manufacturer within 5cm.
In the event of any doubt as to the legality of any engine which uses a later type cylinder block
than was originally fitted as a production version the competitor must produce technical data or
workshop manuals for both the original engine block and the replacement which shows both
blocks have the same number and diameter of main bearing journals

[chatteris]

so would a 2.4 cologne v6 from a late mk3 granada be ok then?. ive got a sapphire with a very good shell that i am wondering what to do with once ive used the gearbox for my truck

[david_white]

so would a 2.4 cologne v6 from a late mk3 granada be ok then?. ive got a sapphire with a very good shell that i am wondering what to do with once ive used the gearbox for my truck

Yeah, if you could get any power out of it in N/A form, I doubt it would give a decent 2.1-2.2 pinto sierra a run for its money though :dunno:

[graham bahr]

so would a 2.4 cologne v6 from a late mk3 granada be ok then?. ive got a sapphire with a very good shell that i am wondering what to do with once ive used the gearbox for my truck

yes as far as the rules go, but to be honest i think you would have to put a lot of effort into developing a very high reving engine for it to be competitive

[graham bahr]

Class C Up to 2000cc: multi-valve. Up to 2500cc dual -valve Up to 1600cc: forced
induction


Classes B, C, D & E.
The engine block must be as that fitted to the original homologated model, or a subsequent
variant as produced by the manufacturer and have a crankshaft which is interchangeable with
the original unit. All these major components must remain in their original location as envisaged
by the manufacturer within 5cm.
In the event of any doubt as to the legality of any engine which uses a later type cylinder block
than was originally fitted as a production version the competitor must produce technical data or
workshop manuals for both the original engine block and the replacement which shows both
blocks have the same number and diameter of main bearing journals


hmmm,
they looks familiar, i wonder who wrote them rules....................................

[david_white]

hmmm,
they looks familiar, i wonder who wrote them rules....................................

We need to meet up one evening and start writing next years :duck:

Why does the cvh need to be very high revving, I thought they made loads of torque and over 250bhp relatively easily with a hybrid turbo, accralites etc :confused:

[FF_Mark]

1300 bike engine with turbo ? should be good for 300bhp and save lots of weight ?

[david_white]

1300 bike engine with turbo ? should be good for 300bhp and save lots of weight ?

a. bike engines are banned, even in class A

b. engines for classes E up to B must retain at least the origional crank fitted to that type of car, ie you can retro fit a 16v head but not a totally different block :thumb:

[chatteris]

[quote=graham bahr;1470020]yes as far as the rules go, but to be honest i think you would have to put a lot of effort into developing a very high reving engine for it to be competitive[/quote
was thinking more of having some fun rather than seriously competing,
I had thought the 2.4 was just a short stroke 2.9 but there are more differences.
would a short stroke 2.9 lump using a 2.3 crank to get under 2.5 litres be possible and would that equate to
say 2.9 could get say 240 bhp then 240 divided by 2.9 times 2.5 would give around 206 bhp
or doesn't it work like that

[Pushrod King]

Why does the cvh need to be very high revving, I thought they made loads of torque and over 250bhp relatively easily with a hybrid turbo, accralites etc :confused:

Dave I think Graham was referring to the 2.4 v6 not CVH;)

My brother mucked about with RS turbos a few years ago and got good power and torque but NOT reliability,the problems he had included:cracked blocks,shattered pistons,head gasket failures and even a snapped crank:clint:
He never owned one,they were customers cars,he had cossies both saphs and escort but eventually went on to build a 750bhp 2.4l evo 5 mitsi which actually never broke!

Why not give the TTV6 a try? You could always go 4wd using RS or XR parts.

[graham bahr]

Dave I think Graham was referring to the 2.4 v6 not CVH

yes it was the 2.4v6 that was what i was referring to:thumb:

[graham bahr]

I had thought the 2.4 was just a short stroke 2.9 but there are more differences.
would a short stroke 2.9 lump using a 2.3 crank to get under 2.5 litres be possible and would that equate to
say 2.9 could get say 240 bhp then 240 divided by 2.9 times 2.5 would give around 206 bhp
or doesn't it work like that

the 2.4 also has a smaller bore than the 2.9, it all depends on if you want to be competitive, 206 bhp with an iron V6 in a sierra would basically be a mobile chicane as far as all the other cars go

[mk1matt]

the 2.4 also has a smaller bore than the 2.9, it all depends on if you want to be competitive, 206 bhp with an iron V6 in a sierra would basically be a mobile chicane as far as all the other cars go



Now that made me laugh :lmao::lmao:

[Pushrod King]

Would save me from being a mobile chicane tho:lol:

[david_white]

Appreciate the input chaps, I don't know a lot about cvh turbos apart from the figures that people 'claim' to get, but even if they are true I guess they are spending a lot to get them reliable.
The V6 would only be viable in turbo'd form, or big capacity or multivalved if N/A, all of which would put me in higher classes again anyway.

To be competitive I know we could build a quick class D pinto (once again quite a costly build to get genuine power) or keep the current engine and be able to beat some, but not all of the class A cars. or the third option which would be to base my car on one of these and run in class B with an easy and cheaper 450 bhp.... :thinking:

Ford Sierra XR8

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[chatteris]

it all depends on if you want to be competitive, 206 bhp with an iron V6 in a sierra would basically be a mobile chicane as far as all the other cars go

oh well knock that idea on the head then, perhaps i'll put a 2.9 in and do some track days

[david_white]

oh well knock that idea on the head then, perhaps i'll put a 2.9 in and do some track days

Get yourself a cheap boa 24v and you'll have a torquey 200+bhp and loads of fun. The smaller colognes are supposed to be crap to tune and even the 2.9's aren't that cheap to tune :thumb:

[david_white]

Gonna get the car prepped to go up to the painters in the next couple of weeks now and the plan is to just give it a freshen up and a layer of paint which will just leave us a little bit of plumbing and wiring to do and to get whichever engine it will run with set up.

Would like to get the 24v running just depends on how much need spending on it to get it installed properly. May need different manifolds and such to get it how I want it.

Got someone looking into the small block 302 route too for me which is very cost effective and a lot lighter (ally heads etc) and a LOT simpler than what I have now but we'll see..

Heres how the plenum is fitted now to clear the bonnet with a rough idea of how one side of the intercooler would plumb in. I have enough samcos to do it I think, just need to make a new inlet for the throttle body with a 180 deg bend going either side of the plenum. Also fitted a new V6 rad.
Might put the plenum back round the right way but only if I can get the throttle body on the front without doing too much to the bonnet:thumb:

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[david_white]

Right 24v engine is now officially for sale :stu:

The build of the car is still full steam ahead, especially as the mrs and I are now settled into our new home and running out of shit to buy for it :pray::clint:

The build is somewhat going off at a tangent (nothing unusual for me I know) but I do have virtually all of the bits to get it done. I've listened to a lot of advise from some wise racers out there and it seems futile to jump straight in at the deep end with a class A car, not to mension the fuel and tyre costs involved. Plus class D is where all the fun's at..
The way its going now is a route I've covered mostly before and therefore shouldn't encounter too many problems. I have a couple of people helping out and between working on Andy Pipes car this one should get done fairly quickly. :dance:

I'll probably start a new thread next weekend when it all really kicks off (it's too different a build to keep it here) and in the meantime my T5 gearbox, 24v twin turbo engine etc are to be found in the for sale section on here. Oh and the white 8x18's on it have to go now too.. :thumb::thumb:

Cheers, Dave ;)

[lee76]

Looks like clases C and D is where all the fun will be next season what with Billy posibly moving up a class to chase Richard.

[david_white]

Looks like clases C and D is where all the fun will be next season what with Billy posibly moving up a class to chase Richard.

Yeah Bill will be a big threat in class D for sure as long as his engine is reliable. My car is much bigger though so along with Andy's 'full fat' spec escort I'm sure we can create a good road block :rolleyes:

[angliaant]

shame to hear the big 'beasty' is going:stu:

best of luck with it david:cool:

[david_white]

shame to hear the big 'beasty' is going:stu:

best of luck with it david:cool:

Cheers, looking forward to using an engine that I can happilly take apart and fiddle with myself :thumb:

[lee76]

Yeah Bill will be a big threat in class D for sure as long as his engine is reliable.

That will be the telling factor.The engine is under way pistons are being made and Pipers are designing cams we are looking at 200bhp should sound nice if nothing else.

[FOSSIE]

Cheers, looking forward to using an engine that I can happilly take apart and fiddle with myself :thumb:

I know I'm childish, but that made me laugh out loud... Its all in the wording :rofl::rofl:

[Jamie CRX]

That will be the telling factor.The engine is under way pistons are being made and Pipers are designing cams we are looking at 200bhp should sound nice if nothing else.
That's just insane.

Why is he going into Class D? He beats all the Class D cars as it is!

[david_white]

That's just insane.

Why is he going into Class D? He beats all the Class D cars as it is!


No he doesn't Jamie, not any more ;)

Can't blame the old fella for fancying a new challenge and I say good luck to him. I still think gearing and reliability will mean that he doesn't have it all his own way.

My new project is well under way, would help if I could find a virginal pinto block to fiddle with...
(Tom, down boy!:doh:) :D
All the pinto's I've seen are either bored out over 2000cc or would be once the bores are made right and we're sticking to the legal limits and making sure it is a genuine 2 litre whatever happens, although that could be a lot more work than just doing a 2.1 as most people would, given the shortage of good blocks now. :dunno:

Starting to collect bits now and with the exception of the block and possibly wanting a sierra efi head :pray:, most bits are quite easily sorted. As I said it will all kick off in anger on Saturday :dance:

[tom burgess]

did someone mention ............:watchout:

[lee76]

No he doesn't Jamie, not any more ;)

Can't blame the old fella for fancying a new challenge and I say good luck to him. I still think gearing and reliability will mean that he doesn't have it all his own way.

Gearing wont be a problem its going on a 5 speed dog box.Reliability should be ok its not as if it cant have regular rebuilds during the season I think the old fossils problem will be not having any carbs to play with.I just want to get the Mini lighter as it is to heavy at the moment.

[david_white]

Gearing wont be a problem its going on a 5 speed dog box.Reliability should be ok its not as if it cant have regular rebuilds during the season I think the old fossils problem will be not having any carbs to play with.I just want to get the Mini lighter as it is to heavy at the moment.

If he has no carbs does this mean he'll have to be downloading engine maps onto those new-fangled records :rofl:

[lee76]

Something like that when its done we will glue the bonnet down so he cant touch anything

[Broadmoor]

So are you running a Transit engine now then Dave? on EFI ?

[david_white]

So are you running a Transit engine now then Dave? on EFI ?


Yes mate, the plan is a 2.0 pinto with a bvh, nice cam and pistons and possibly throttle bodies as I already have the car plumbed in for injection and won't be running a dizzy anyway :thumb:

Might seem like a step backwards to some, but I'd rather have the slowest car on the track than the fastest one in the garage ;)

[Tezza2]

here's the engine you need dave.. http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/636028.htm

[graham bahr]

Might seem like a step backwards to some, but I'd rather have the slowest car on the track than the fastest one in the garage
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narh you wont be slowest, not iif i can help :lol:

although the cossie will need to go on a crash diet to get the best from ya pinto

[graham bahr]

here's the engine you need dave.. http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/636028.htm

thats very nice, but as a millington block isnt a production item the car would end up in class A, so it would be a bit pointless

[Pushrod King]

Why not use liners? At least that way IF it suffered bore damage for any reason you wouldn't have to scrap the block.

[graham bahr]

yes you could liner a block, better cheaper though to find a block thats still on std bores that will clean up with a piston that are +.025mm, if you later damaged that block you could still liner it

[david_white]

Continued over here with the start of the pinto conversion;

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133380

Cheers ;)

[Broadmoor]

:stu:I cant click the link:stu::stu::stu:..

I cant bare to see 8v in a 3 door shell:stu::stu::stu::stu:

Somebody STOP HIM PLEASE:duck:


Ps..only joking..best of luck with it Dave:liar:

[david_white]

:stu:I cant click the link:stu::stu::stu:..

I cant bare to see 8v in a 3 door shell:stu::stu::stu::stu:

Somebody STOP HIM PLEASE:duck:


Ps..only joking..best of luck with it Dave:liar:

Andy Pipe already beats sierra cossies with 8 valves and 1800cc :tongue: I'll give you a race round Brands next year if you like ;)

The new thread under this same competition section btw :thumb: