so if these full monty big money duratecs arnt even keeping up with the pintos built in a shed by a 73 year old what chance have these standard £50 duratecs and zetecs got
so if these full monty big money duratecs arnt even keeping up with the pintos built in a shed by a 73 year old what chance have these standard £50 duratecs and zetecs got
Also don't forget most of the Harris pintos have got 190-215 bhp at sanspeed ( Which according to you lot reads 25+ bhp over) so this means the 285 bhp duratec ( which should make 315 bhp at sanspeed then
) has at least a 100 bhp more power YET it still can't out run them !!!!!!!!!
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Bottled it did I. Dream on brother. Lets do this the proper way. Get the Harris's top spec drag car out and I will race it up the pod, with no changes. Then lets get the Harris's car around Brands or another circuit of your choice (without no set up changes). We will do a single flying lap, add the 2 times together and the one with the lowest overall time wins. No excusses then.Originally Posted by mk1 gaz
. A 120 bhp track mini will piss all over a 400 bhp track sierra/escort cossie around a track but up a drag strip the cossie will win . This is because a light , slow car that handles can be fast around a track but will still be slow when timed for acceleration at the Pod
. I've seen Pete Baldwins 120 bhp swiftune mini shit all over every rs cossie at an rs day at castle coombe , and very entertaining it was too !!!!!!!!
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Just in case you think I might be cheating because I have I lighter engine, I will borrow Alex Ribbens car (or if he dont trust me I will get him to do it) as that hyas a 1999 pinto
I said the track racers bottled it AGAINST mine not anyone elses. The offer still stands so bring it on
Think you should know that Mr Andy Harris is a very quick driver around a circuit aswell as up a drag strip so it'd be a verry interesting match
who are these track guys that bottled it then gaz? i dont know any circuit racers with escorts that race on road tyres.
Dont care. Iwill race anyone. Ihave nothing to proveThink you should know that Mr Andy Harris is a very quick driver around a circuit aswell as up a drag strip so it'd be a verry interesting match
You supply the ballast and the tyres and lets have itI said the track racers bottled it AGAINST mine not anyone elses
Well the 284 bhp full monty 2.3 race mountune duratec in a stripped mk2 escort with 12 inch wide slicks , plastic windows , bonnet and boot and a 4.4 diff has just run a 12.9 sec quarter at 106 mph at santa pod todayGO ON THE PINTOS
What escort is this Gaz? Must have wide arches to run 12" wide slicks
Well the track race car lot on here reckon that they're so special but once you take their sticky tyre and featherweight advantage away then they aint so cocky
I've got some old 15's in my garden and 10 bags of concrete
It's got standard arches but the Hoosier slicks poke out about 3 inchesWhat escort is this Gaz? Must have wide arches to run 12" wide slicks
popcorn
this arguement is getting silly, what the hell is it about?
fact no 1, road cars are best on the road, they are not best suited to drag racing or circuit racing and will only do an avergae job at either.
fact no 2, any car set up for drag racing will be utter s###e if you try to circuit race it, as the biggest part of a drag race is the start the tyres and suspension will be too soft and wobbly to have any real corner speed, down the straights it will scream its nuts off and go nowhere the gearing will be too short, and likely to run out of brakes after a couple of laps.
fact no 3, as the start of a circuit race is only a very minor part of it and corner speed is nearly every thing, the suspension and tyres will be way too hard for dragging, gearing will also be totally wrong, as i dont recall too many atmo 2.0 drag cars needing 130mph top end, so most of a circuit cars best bits it corner speed and braking ability are lost in a drag race
fact no 4 swapping tyres around wont turn a drag car into a circuit race car or the otherway around
fact no 5 there is about as much point to this arguement as arguing tea is better than coffee or vica versa, it not just different.
i also doubt most circuit cars are as much lighter as you think gaz, they have far bigger fuel tanks, roll cages and brakes compaired to drag cars, they are also built to a set of rules which are fixed
anyway wasnt there something about rolling roads in the title of this thread?
Last edited by Graham; 10-06-2007 at 12:37.
Very well put Graham
IF people put as much time and effort into their projects as they put into arguing on this (and other) forums their projects would be finished much sooner and they could then be able put their theories about what's quicker etc into practice
Now what was the original question??
Well Dave done an impressive 12.3 today @115 i think. That was on a 3.7 diff also. More to come from that car i reckon,sounded sweet
Well we're not worried about circuit race cars anyway are we chaps? So back to the proper cars at once then !!!!!!!!
. It went well with a 12.3 sec at 110 mph on hoosier drag slicks at the end of the event . A very good show from this car as i never thought it would stay in touch with the sanspeed tuned 215 bhp 8v 1970's engines with carbs and a dizzy , but it did so respect is due .
Last edited by mk1 gaz; 10-06-2007 at 20:49.
He even managed to fook the axle as they had it in bits in the afternoon. I suppose thats what you get for trying to lay down 285 bhp through drag slicks using an english axle
She's built like a Steakhouse, but handles like a Bistro
It went much better with the 3.7 diff in it though , he was running 12.6's at 106 mph before they changed it .
Did you see Ron Harris's car launch with Andy Harris jnr at the wheel then ? It pulled a proper wheelie and shot off like a missile until he broke the selector roll pin in the gearbox going into third gear
what was daves reaction time on that run?
i noticed the harris' were doing it at 0.1/0.2
and in the first few runs dave was changing gear six times up the strip...
how much time do you lose each gear change?
well done to him for pushing forward the old skool ford scene
Last edited by lewismk2; 10-06-2007 at 21:55.
popcorn:
The clock only starts ticking when you break the light beam ( start moving ) so reaction times don't mean much . The more gear changes you make means that you've got less time on full throttle so the less changes the better . The problem is if you gear an engine too low though it won't get into it's power band and bog down . I think his gearing at the end was good , it launched hard and even beat Jaysons 2.3 pinto in first gear but was outgunned after a few seconds thoughwhat was daves reaction time on that run?
i noticed the harris' were doing it at 0.1/0.2
and in the first few runs dave was changing gear six times up the strip...
how much time do you lose each gear change?
well done to him for pushing forward the old ford skool scene
My instal so far is going to be around 3k.
Now i got a bargin coz my engine came with dry sump and tb's.
But you dont need a dry sump and can have a wet sump made for less than £100.
Change the rods, pistons and cams which can be bought for under 1500 quid and you should be pushing 250 maybe more.
So i reckon as long as you do some of the work yourself you could do it for under 5k
you would spend a small fortune building any 4 cylinder 285 bhp engine with a dry sump and full engine management , but a duratec don't fit and nothing bolts to it so add another fortune on top before you could drive it !!!!!!!!!!
Incase anybody hasn't seen this 285bhp duratec install then heres a pic for you . DO NOT confuse this top spec motor and install with a normal ford scrap yard engine please because this one aint cheap !!!!!!!!!
are there any 285 bhp installs to a mk2 escort that are cheap gaz?
i'd love one
Yeah a stage 2 cossie turbo engine are cheap enough to install
No , unless you use nitrious or a turbo/supercharger
and we all know thats cheating, so sorry kev
but 0-60 in 2.5 secs
Gaz i ran a 14.4 and a 14.6 in the shit bre nova with a standard xe with bike carbs.....what power does that make it bearing in mind it was my first ever go at drag racing and i left the launch control on a bit too long on pull off, and we are running marshal ditch finders with plenty of wheelspin. Anyways as promised i caned the shit out of a pinto powered rs2k with gp1 induction and a kent cam and shit, he reconed he was missing on one at the very end which is why i beat him, but i was already ahead at the 1/8th looking at the time slip (which is the bit that counts)
1:0 to the nova :nana:
It also beat a harris car and i even missed a gear, it was a standard xflow fiesta though
And only one small breakage of the engine falling out on the rally stage as dan stripped the engine mount bolts out the block
Last edited by dangerousdave; 10-06-2007 at 22:48.
Not bad dave , novas with 2 litre XE's always run about that time . Put the engine in your escort and then have a go instead and see if it's as quick instead of the full race mapped x-flow
Na i dont think its gonna last long enough
And it will go faster with my brother driving as i still showed some signs of mechanical sympathy
And dont worry the xflow will get a nice bre makeover in the winter maybe then it should be a lot quicker...and mapped and built by me
And dont worry the xflow will get a nice bre makeover in the winter maybe then it should be a lot quicker...and mapped and built by me
We will see, cant be any slower than the harris fiesta i raced with its 19.8sec pass
Well what do we have here then. No doubt looking for a track to lap and took a wrong turn somewhere !!!!!!!!
What the one with the 1100 or 1300 engine in it that would spank your race x-flow thenWe will see, cant be any slower than the harris fiesta i raced with its 19.8sec pass
What's a bre makeover then mate
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