Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

[wxneypar]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Good afternoon everyone!

Yesterday I won a race for the first time ever! So I'm super excited to continue improving the car.
I think now is the time for a rear suspension upgrade.

My current setup is original 1600 Sport export setup (Anti Rollbar and multi leaf springs on uprated shocks and that's it)

I cannot use anyting that has not been fitted to the same model so I was thinking to go to:
- Remove ARB
- Add original Anti Tramp bars (like this kit https://www.motorsport-tools.com/esc...d-rs-type.html )
- Improve shocks (Don't know which)
- Add one more leaf to stiffen it to counteract the lack of ARB

BTW I am not allowed to use any kind of LSD

So my concern is: Will I miss the ARB on high speed corners? Will this improve grip when accelerating out of the corners?
Maybe I am completely wrong and this doesn't help at all with corner speeds, so I'd like to hear you thoughts on a full tarmac-circuit race car.

Thanks in advance,

Peter

[turbospud]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

well done on the first win,
i would keep the roll bar in preferance to tramp bars,can you fit a panard rod or axle location kit under the rules
leaf springs i would go single spring and set them[decamber] for the ride height you want,dont use blocks
gaz adjustables are a cheap option for experimenting with

[wxneypar]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Thank you!

Sadly I cannot fit/add any kind of bars or axle location kit that was not an original or optional equipment, and I think there was no escort mk2 with panhard or watts linkage.
Using original anchor points I can modify or make adjustable any kind of bar. For example, fitting an uprated ARB can be done, but I'm worried it would lift the inside wheel on hard cornering and make me lose traction (no LSD allowed)

Also I can use any shock that is NOT adjustable and fits in the original location.

I have heard a lot of S### about both ARB's and tramp bars, but it seems to be a lot of info on rally suspension setups but not for circuit racing on mk2's.

Yeah, I know this rules are really difficult to deal with, but there should be something I can do to make it better I guess.

Thanks in advance,
Peter

[turbospud]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

that makes it harder when your not allowed additions.
as graham says above stiffer springs/roll bars will stop it lifting wheels or lighter springs/stiffer roll bars
locate the rear axle as best you can ie weld spring plates to axle,throw the rubber away etc
bilstein gp1 type shocks used to be the thing for the road car classes over here

[wxneypar]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

that makes it harder when your not allowed additions.
as graham says above stiffer springs/roll bars will stop it lifting wheels or lighter springs/stiffer roll bars

So the general idea would be NOT to put the tramp bars instead of the rollbar?

bilstein gp1 type shocks used to be the thing for the road car classes over here

Like this for example? It says rally there

https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/bilstein-rally-rear-damper-escort-mk2-180-90-bls24-008716/

Are they good for chasing seconds around the lap on a tarmac circuit?

[wxneypar]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Some photos of the last race for references on body roll and to make the thread more interesting

[Miniliteman]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Hello,

with a car like yours, unarched, road tyres, limited bhp, no LSD, you will need a relatively soft sprung rear end.
To try a different setup change one item and one item only and see how it feels and how the lap times are (practice).
Maybe loosen the rear ARB on one end so it isn't working anymore.
And/or try a fast road type of rear damper, so not a stiff Bilstein; changing the dampers is a quick job so it can be undone in the same time.

[turbospud]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

So the general idea would be NOT to put the tramp bars instead of the rollbar?
yes,a well mounted roll bar will give you a level of anti tramp,tramp bars wont give you roll control


Like this for example? It says rally there

https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/bilstein-rally-rear-damper-escort-mk2-180-90-bls24-008716/

yes those ones gp1 type, but back in the day you got 2 different setting types,race or rally
Are they good for chasing seconds around the lap on a tarmac circuit?

from where you are now,i dont think dampers will give seconds its going to be a combination of lots of things

[wxneypar]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Yeah! Im not even one second behind at qualy's, I should have said tenth's!

So it looks like my original idea of going stiffer on the rear is going to the trash now, is going softer the general opinion?

Regarding shocks, I couldn't find any uprated one that doesn't say Rally on it, what kind of rates am I looking for?

[turbospud]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Some photos of the last race for references on body roll and to make the thread more interesting

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its looks pretty good i would have said,maybe drop the front ride height a bit,
it looks as if your on around 3deg camber,5deg castor,i found less of both worked better with softer springs.
as minilight says change one thing at a time and see how it feels

[Miniliteman]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

As turbospud said on the photos the car looks to be "sitting" ok.
Do you have a movie (youtube ?) of your car in action?
For rear dampers look for yellow Koni's; these are adjustable for rebound but only when removed from the car. There is no button like the Gaz dampers have.

[wxneypar]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

I do! Let me upload it to youtube so I can share here!

Just promise you'll look at the car and not my (poor) handling of it :P

[wxneypar]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

As requested Personal best lap this weekend:
Any kind of feedback is well received

[Miniliteman]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Nice.
Think the limiting factor are the tyres (and bhp).
Spending lots of money and time on the car will give a few tenths maybe.
Get some advice from more experienced drivers on what lines to drive on the track and left-foot braking etc.

[Arieke]

Re: Historic Touring Racing Mk2 Escort

Car looks good. 160km/u straight line. Nice for a engine with 134hp. what axle ratio do you use?